Guild Wars 2

I have been playing a thief since September and all I have played since then is my thief. After exploring many of the builds for the thief I have realized that the thief has two types of builds.
1) Glass cannon burst builds
2) Tankyish condition build
The reason why us thieves only have two options for builds is because the only way for thieves do be able to do high damage is to play with berserker gear and become full glass cannon and have 2k armor and 12k hp. And on the other hand the only way for thieves to by some what tanky (but not really) is the condition build which gives thieves around 2.6k armor and 20k hp that relies on evasive skills and stealth. Which is nothing compared to the other classes.

I believe that thieves need a buff to make other builds more viable for the thief. So that thieves can tanky but still use a dagger or a sword and still do direct damage without having to do condition damage.

Well I dunno about you, but im doing decent dps in pve.
With my hotw PvT gear, and in wvwvw, well im not supposed to zerg cuz im a thief, but I do it anyway.
Haven’t done spvp/arena pvp in ages though.

I think we are fine with more builds than condition/glasscannon builds, I myself am 0/30/30/10/0 for everything.

We have a lot of skills that needs remakeing and tweaking.
Smoke bomb in pve is useless for example.

Thief condition builds definitely need some help. Skale venom is not that great in sPvP or PvE (<- I don’t think). Thieves are still somewhat pigeonholed into one or two conditions, and that is bleeds and cripple. More reliable poison would be great for the thief, and it would help out some of this D/D builds in sPvP and even P/D builds a lot.

@ noob (the name)

if you’re in pvt, you’re not doing decent damage. If you are using 30 in sa, you have many wasted trait points for pve, further nerfing your damage. Is smoke bomb useful anywhere? I use smoke screen for pulsing blind field and multiple stealths and on a shorter cd.

@ eon

All condi builds (except engi and maybe necro, idk about necro) are terrible in pve. Every other class is at least 2x better as direct damage.

This is a bit of a misnomer. Thieves don’t need to run berserker gear. They do it because stealth is so powerful that they can get away with doing it better than most every other class in the game. The ‘tankyness’ of the Condition thief is also a lie because the Thief still can’t take any real damage. The ‘tankyness’ comes from evade spam.

If we want to ask for improvements in the Thief’s playstyle and gearing options it’s going to have to come at the expense of Stealth uptime. I’d argue that stealth is so powerful right now, it masks the blatantly obvious issues this class already has so well that it has pigeonholed us into the above mentioned playstyles.

Without huge nerfs and a rebalancing of the class (we’d need both because any adjustment to stealth uptime will probably destroy the class), the absolute most we could ever hope for is pistol mainhand to be viable to open up a new weapon option. Beyond that you better start clenching because it will be a bumpy ride.

Oh Great!

More Thief demands.

(You will get what u ask according to Arena net Favorite class) amd thier class Balance Philosphy)..

Just speaking out the Truth since Day 1

Burnfall.9573:

Oh Great!

More Thief demands.

(You will get what u ask according to Aren net Favorite class).

Just speaking out the Truth since Day 1

There is only misinformation to be had in biased opinions.

randomfightfan.4091:

@ noob (the name)

if you’re in pvt, you’re not doing decent damage. If you are using 30 in sa, you have many wasted trait points for pve, further nerfing your damage. Is smoke bomb useful anywhere? I use smoke screen for pulsing blind field and multiple stealths and on a shorter cd.

@ eon

All condi builds (except engi and maybe necro, idk about necro) are terrible in pve. Every other class is at least 2x better as direct damage.

What is decent damage then?
tell me your Pistol whip damage for example, in a dps build.

Yes we need a buff.

Noobkaka.5067:

randomfightfan.4091:

@ noob (the name)

if you’re in pvt, you’re not doing decent damage. If you are using 30 in sa, you have many wasted trait points for pve, further nerfing your damage. Is smoke bomb useful anywhere? I use smoke screen for pulsing blind field and multiple stealths and on a shorter cd.

@ eon

All condi builds (except engi and maybe necro, idk about necro) are terrible in pve. Every other class is at least 2x better as direct damage.

What is decent damage then?
tell me your Pistol whip damage for example, in a dps build.

No! I’ll tell you my pistol whip damage with my own armor and build.
I do, pistol whip, a maximum8400 damage on HotW bosses (explorable) and any other dungeons. With an average of everything bettween 5900-8400. That is ofcourse, when im standing at the side/behind target for the extra 7% crit chance.

Noobkaka.5067:

Noobkaka.5067:

randomfightfan.4091:

@ noob (the name)

if you’re in pvt, you’re not doing decent damage. If you are using 30 in sa, you have many wasted trait points for pve, further nerfing your damage. Is smoke bomb useful anywhere? I use smoke screen for pulsing blind field and multiple stealths and on a shorter cd.

@ eon

All condi builds (except engi and maybe necro, idk about necro) are terrible in pve. Every other class is at least 2x better as direct damage.

What is decent damage then?
tell me your Pistol whip damage for example, in a dps build.

No! I’ll tell you my pistol whip damage with my own armor and build.
I do, pistol whip, a maximum8400 damage on HotW bosses (explorable) and any other dungeons. With an average of everything bettween 5900-8400. That is ofcourse, when im standing at the side/behind target for the extra 7% crit chance.

I rarely use pistol whip as it’s pretty junk but with 0 might I get about 10k or so. Why would you even bring up pistol whip? Horrible skill. Sword autos do more damage, don’t root you in place, have better debuffs, and are more reliable. I get 10k backstabs with 0 might and above 50%, my best backstab is something like 21k, that might have been a below 25% hs though, can’t really remember. The point is, that’s 1 attack. You can get 1.5 pistol whips before I can do a 2nd backstab but my cnd+backstab alone does more damage then 2 of your whips while I still deal a minimum 10k or so from the auto attack rotation (20k with full might and vuln) and get to spam hs at the end of the fight. I might not be evading for half the attack but I’m able to dodge, not rooted in place, and not completely vulnerable for a full second before you even start evading.

Also, if you’re in pvt, you won’t be doing 8k because you won’t be critting. You might get 5k with a few lucky crits but roughly 20% crit chance (above 90% and behind with 30 in critical) makes it very unlikely you’ll crit that much on a whip. That or you had a ton of might with fury for a semi decent crit chance.

Edit
I do know I get consistent 70k pw against the ice ele in fractals and over 100k backstabs as well but since I run with pugs I generally don’t have much might so those numbers could be a lot higher if more people (who didn’t hold boss agro) were willing to melee. Sword is pretty good against that boss if you have a bad player pulling the lava since you can spam immobilize the boss until the bucket drops and strip defiance easy when your noob teamates keep blowing cc on the boss for no reason, giving it 20 stacks of defiance again and complains when the stacks aren’t gone 20s later.