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Posted by: Vagrant.7206

Vagrant.7206

Hi there! Engi main here!


Used to be a point in time where D/P thieves would just generally avoid or ignore me on my scrapper hammer. Now they regularly try to 1v1 me, although I generally win the fight and they run away, not without hurting me badly though.

Do you think this meta will hold? It almost seems like the buffing is a bit too extreme for thieves at the moment.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

I don’t understand your train of thought.

Because thieves fight you and they lose, they’re somehow overbuffed on the principle that they’re willing to try and fight?

Has the possibility of them just not knowing their counters or how to PvP come to mind?

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

Hi there! Engi main here!


Used to be a point in time where D/P thieves would just generally avoid or ignore me on my scrapper hammer. Now they regularly try to 1v1 me, although I generally win the fight and they run away, not without hurting me badly though.

Do you think this meta will hold? It almost seems like the buffing is a bit too extreme for thieves at the moment.

I engaged scrappers (in pvp) for 3 reasons only:
- to +1 my teammates
- to stop scrapper from capping our point in hope someone will come help (i can troll scrappers for a while, actually win vs them if they are not as good, even plat has those lel)
- troll scrapper long enough to keep point decaped while my team gets to other points from spawn

That being said, given same skill level, thief would never win vs scrapper in 1v1. Now core engi is different story, you can actually kill those.

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Posted by: Vagrant.7206

Vagrant.7206

Has the possibility of them just not knowing their counters or how to PvP come to mind?

I generally end up in the platinum/gold range. If a thief doesn’t know their counters at this level, that’s kind of weird.

The point of this thread is that I’ve noticed since the latest round of balance patches, more thieves seem willing to engage in a 1v1 with me as a scrapper. It’s somewhat brazen.

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Posted by: reddie.5861

reddie.5861

just to blow your time being busy on something that will just get the kitten out when needed meanwhile teamm8s dont have such a annoying scrapper near em cus thief kept him busy somewhere.

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Posted by: Warkind.6745

Warkind.6745

Now people are complaining about winning against thieves as well.

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Posted by: Straegen.2938

Straegen.2938

Power thief is being nerfed into the dirt. D/P is far less effective than it was a couple years ago.

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Posted by: Bigpapasmurf.5623

Bigpapasmurf.5623

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

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Posted by: Alatar.7364

Alatar.7364

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

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Posted by: Bigpapasmurf.5623

Bigpapasmurf.5623

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

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Posted by: Vornollo.5182

Vornollo.5182

I think that with the recent patches, there’s simply been more people trying Thief (again).
Many of these might know that they’ll probably lose, but still try to because they’re not sure yet how badly they’ll be losing. This especially holds true for people who come from different classes take Rev for example which isn’t in the best state ever, but is normally a good pick to take the 1v1 against a Scrapper and even win it. Many Thieves have switched to Rev in the past and I think the reverse is happening now.
Consider it an ‘old habits die hard’ sort of thing.

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Posted by: Alatar.7364

Alatar.7364

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

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Posted by: Turk.5460

Turk.5460

It’s somewhat brazen.

You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

And if it does, then why are you even here, concerned that Thieves are less and less running away from your profession. Are you concerned that one day the profession will stand toe to toe with scrapper, and the battle outcome will be determined by skill, rather than your profession skills and traits counter an entire other profession?

You posting your thought on this is brazen. :p

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Posted by: Bigpapasmurf.5623

Bigpapasmurf.5623

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

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Posted by: Alatar.7364

Alatar.7364

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

The question is not whether you kill them, but how long does it take you to kill them.
In most cases, if not all cases, it is better to be off, as a Thief, decapping 2 points or +1ing other Fights, rather then spending but 30 secs fighting Scrappers or any other class that might take long to kill. If you kill them super quick then its ok, but even few more seconds means loss of points or just worse advantage.

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Posted by: Bigpapasmurf.5623

Bigpapasmurf.5623

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

The question is not whether you kill them, but how long does it take you to kill them.
In most cases, if not all cases, it is better to be off, as a Thief, decapping 2 points or +1ing other Fights, rather then spending but 30 secs fighting Scrappers or any other class that might take long to kill. If you kill them super quick then its ok, but even few more seconds means loss of points or just worse advantage.

Now it’s going outside brazen and into experience. Personally, If I can’t kill you in a 1v1 in PvP in under ~30 seconds, ill bail because either:

1.) If a scapper can’t kill me in this timeframe, it’s pointless continuing fighting them.

2.) My time/killing ways will give us more points elsewhere and ill come back to the initial point after.

Where I do not run sb, even tho I do have a focus on decapping, my focus leans a bit more on PPK so if I can +1 where there are multiple enemies, I am there.

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Posted by: Famine.7915

Famine.7915

Makes easy bags.

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Posted by: Asur.9178

Asur.9178

This thread made me laugh.

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Posted by: saerni.2584

saerni.2584

I’d like the in-game title of “Brazen” along with “Apex Predator.”

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

The question is not whether you kill them, but how long does it take you to kill them.
In most cases, if not all cases, it is better to be off, as a Thief, decapping 2 points or +1ing other Fights, rather then spending but 30 secs fighting Scrappers or any other class that might take long to kill. If you kill them super quick then its ok, but even few more seconds means loss of points or just worse advantage.

Now it’s going outside brazen and into experience. Personally, If I can’t kill you in a 1v1 in PvP in under ~30 seconds, ill bail because either:

1.) If a scapper can’t kill me in this timeframe, it’s pointless continuing fighting them.

2.) My time/killing ways will give us more points elsewhere and ill come back to the initial point after.

Where I do not run sb, even tho I do have a focus on decapping, my focus leans a bit more on PPK so if I can +1 where there are multiple enemies, I am there.

The point is that 30 seconds is too long to be spending in a 1v1 in higher tier play. Every good thief will tell you this.

Like I said originally, I think it’s people being unaware of how and what they’re supposed to do with so many people flocking to the Daredevil, now. Gambling 30s for a potentially lost 1v1 is basically giving your enemies 30 extra points or more.

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Posted by: Bigpapasmurf.5623

Bigpapasmurf.5623

Imo, I myself never back down from a fight on my Thief/DD regardless the class. Scrapper, on an equal skill level, should beat the thief, however, some of us want to learn to fight and beat you and the only way to do that is to fight you.

Call it what you will, but to be good or git gud, you have to learn to fight vs good.

I suggest doing that in Unranked matches and/or Custom 1v1 Arenas, rather than in Ranked matches which is, I believe, this thread about.

Lol i think its a general observation that may have been observed in PvP, but really in sPvP or WvW scrappers should beat teffers. call em brazen but even in PvP (both ranked and non) an enemy scrapper is still an enemy. I may beat him and he may beat me…only one way to tell. You may be surprised

I am not sure if I understood you correctly, but in case I did =D ->
I am not at all telling you that you can’t fight Scrapper (or anyone at that point) I am just saying that if you want to practice Thief (or any class ever) then it is highly advised doing that in Unranked/1v1 Arenas and not in Ranked matches as it is highly possible that the lack of experience with the class will cause the team Lose and generaly people play Rank to win. I lost many matches because people went to Rank to practice something they did not try before and we lost right way, I never wrote to them any insults but lets face it: It was totaly * * * * * and selfish decision of them.

In case I did not understand what you ment correctly, just ignore the entire upper part of this post =D

Lets just say were both out in left field,lol. As a thief main (in PvP (thief and guard main in pvp actually) and WvW, I fight all scrappers as the majority of fights end in my favor. Maybe i seem to fight those having a bad day or maybe they are terribad but with my mentality, if I win against them more than lose, ofc I will fight them. If its one I think I am going to lose, I have no issues bailing and finding a diff target until i feel brazen again or if I figured out their rotation.

The question is not whether you kill them, but how long does it take you to kill them.
In most cases, if not all cases, it is better to be off, as a Thief, decapping 2 points or +1ing other Fights, rather then spending but 30 secs fighting Scrappers or any other class that might take long to kill. If you kill them super quick then its ok, but even few more seconds means loss of points or just worse advantage.

Now it’s going outside brazen and into experience. Personally, If I can’t kill you in a 1v1 in PvP in under ~30 seconds, ill bail because either:

1.) If a scapper can’t kill me in this timeframe, it’s pointless continuing fighting them.

2.) My time/killing ways will give us more points elsewhere and ill come back to the initial point after.

Where I do not run sb, even tho I do have a focus on decapping, my focus leans a bit more on PPK so if I can +1 where there are multiple enemies, I am there.

The point is that 30 seconds is too long to be spending in a 1v1 in higher tier play. Every good thief will tell you this.

Like I said originally, I think it’s people being unaware of how and what they’re supposed to do with so many people flocking to the Daredevil, now. Gambling 30s for a potentially lost 1v1 is basically giving your enemies 30 extra points or more.

Call me kitteny, however vs scrappers (or the ones I have faced) I beat the majority of them…granted I fight them point.. 5 points + making it a 5v4 for 10+ seconds afterwards + steal a cap…ill take whatever toxic abuse PvP’ers can throw at me as when I fight for a point, it’s gonna be mine (more often than not if its an even numbered fight…outnumbered I usually don’t even think about it unless I can force 2+ people to chase me making the #’s on the field our favor)

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