Guild Wars 2

Thieves are meant to be masters of deceit, assassination and all round get up close and personal. We all know the classic archetype from fantasy novels and their ability to turn the tables on bigger opponents with clever martial arts or moves which disarm/parry larger weapons.

I was thinking of making our F key options a little broader in these terms:

F1 – Steal
F2 – Parry+riposte (if timed before a hit will reflect damage)(lasts 2 seconds on same timer as steal)
F3 – Disguise (Take the appearance of a random npc/mob for 20 seconds/or until you attack).

I just feel (as many others form previous posts) The F key funtions need to be expanded upon.

WTB Flashing Blades http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Flashing_Blades

Yeah I was hoping we might see something like that once they rework some of our weapon sets. But that seems like further away now than ever…

stof.9341:

WTB Flashing Blades http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Flashing_Blades

Or invulnerability.

are you crazy?
do you want the whole community to rise upon us
4 more skill to deal dmg – no no no
i guess you didnt get the memo which was published at Anet’s
they change our role to
Thieves use their initiative to fuel their weapon skills, dishing out far much harder quick as any other class chains of useless damage which is 80% blocked or missed, before slipping away into the shadows or their death. The other part of their speciality is stealing – each enemy has a number of items which provide stolen skills to the thief to turn the fight to their opponent favor. Their unique attribute increases their Steal Recharge Rate. and now may be called Rallybot

They need more reactive moves like in Daoc.

So if you evade/block, a weapon style becomes available.

meh just give thieves a 1500 range instant kill AoE with no cooldown as well

I actually liked the 3rd option, while we’re at it, make it we represent the npcs as well. With this we can hide all day long with ambient creatures and strike the people that come to get their stack.

Edit: Would actually be funny to see a map queue but no one is there because everyone is in disguise.

idk about retaliation but high dodge on long CD would be nice

Cynz.9437:

idk about retaliation but high dodge on long CD would be nice

What do you mean by “high dodge”?

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Imagi.4561:

Cynz.9437:

idk about retaliation but high dodge on long CD would be nice

What do you mean by “high dodge”?

arguable… either make it active and give high vigor+stability for short amount of time or have passive dodge, for example have 75% chance for attacks directed at you to miss for brief period of time… just branstorming here though

Imagi.4561:

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Didya see what the warrior gets?

Zero Day.2594:

Imagi.4561:

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Didya see what the warrior gets?

Sarcastically or did they already post some of the heals?

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Imagi.4561:

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Didya see what the warrior gets?

Sarcastically or did they already post some of the heals?

Yeah and no, it’s datamined, but looks accurate (warrior – op).
Another funny thing is…

Guardian
-Litany of Wrath: Meditation. Heal yourself. For a brief time, you heal each time you strike an enemy, based on a percentage of damage dealt.

VS

Thief
-Skelk Venom: Venom. Your next few attacks heal you.

So, guardian heals and leeches, thieves just leech…. nice.

Zero Day.2594:

Maugetarr.6823:

Zero Day.2594:

Imagi.4561:

Zero Day.2594:

guys! guys!
It’s all good.
We’re getting a new heal move.
Everyone relax.

And it’s another venom! Oh, praise the Six Gods, for we are saved.

Didya see what the warrior gets?

Sarcastically or did they already post some of the heals?

Yeah and no, it’s datamined, but looks accurate (warrior – op).
Another funny thing is…

Guardian
-Litany of Wrath: Meditation. Heal yourself. For a brief time, you heal each time you strike an enemy, based on a percentage of damage dealt.

VS

Thief
-Skelk Venom: Venom. Your next few attacks heal you.

So, guardian heals and leeches, thieves just leech…. nice.

:/

Well, after reading through some of the dev posts I don’t think this will shake up the thief heals nearly as much as expected (if true).

Aside: What’s with pushing venoms/venomous aura so hard lately? I mean in a vacuum they’re alright, but compared to something like mantras (group stability, group condi cleanse, group heal) there would never be a reason to take a venom share support thief over a mantra mesmer or shout warrior (if you’re looking for a support person).

Back to the healing topic: This would have to be insanely powerful or on short CD to make me take it over withdraw. And if they nerf withdraw to push it (general trend of thief balance) I would go back to HiS before I took this as it provides powerful tools both offensively and defensively.

Looks like a 45 second CD instant cast venom according to datamining :

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/23539-skelk-venom

stof.9341:

Looks like a 45 second CD instant cast venom according to datamining :

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/23539-skelk-venom

(If true/unchanged) An active version of SoM on a long CD?

stof.9341:

Looks like a 45 second CD instant cast venom according to datamining :

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/23539-skelk-venom

I can see that being nerfed! So OP unlike the warrior’s.

Also notice it has a heal amount… meaning it’s not you deal 6k you get healed for 6k (or hell even a precentage would be nice)… it scales with healing power ergo SoM is better (since it’s not kittens or not 30 seconds)

It’s likely the total heal amount will be similar or greater than HiS though. It’s instant cast but has no stealth, it’s 45 CD vs 30 without trait. But it can be venom shared so …

:/ So they now want us to be supports?
Venom share the new heal? (That’s nice of you and all… HiS still seems better)
Really guys?

but we already got venom leech trait

so they want to push us to be more aggressive while giving us no defense tools

and where you got all of this info

pls link

messiah.1908:

but we already got venom leech trait

so they want to push us to be more aggressive while giving us no defense tools

and where you got all of this info

pls link

have to admit, most of the new healing skills are offensive skills, guess they want to push bursting to counter the condi bunker meta now.

messiah.1908:

but we already got venom leech trait

so they want to push us to be more aggressive while giving us no defense tools

and where you got all of this info

pls link

There was a “Datamined” heal skills post in general, but it was deleted or I can’t find it….

Skills also seem to be up on gw2db…

(Thanks stof)

http://www.gw2db.com/skills/23539-skelk-venom

Quite honestly, I wish it was fake or they change it or it’s wrong info.

Venoms will always be dysfunctional while shared venoms needs to be balanced with 5x strength so anything they do with venoms in the meantime is meaningless.

Yes thieves should get a parry move but it fits badly into the initiative system. The underwater block is situationally perfect or quite useless (multiple enemies hit through the block response) which is a classic broken skill.

When you look at the full list of heals, it’s absolutely horrible compared to every single other heal out there.

All the other heals have a second component, or do something else amazing.

Our one is a venom, on a 45 second cooldown and lasts 2 attacks.

WUT???!!!

phaeris.7604:

When you look at the full list of heals, it’s absolutely horrible compared to every single other heal out there.

All the other heals have a second component, or do something else amazing.

Our one is a venom, on a 45 second cooldown and lasts 2 attacks.

WUT???!!!

YAYA!!!!

WTB Thief being more like Assassin. Stooping to petty Thievery has ruined us. We’ve lost touch with our roots and have become weaker, less intelligent (forgot how to use majority of our weapon pool; lost touch with our “Way of the Master.”) and more helpless; unable to go toe to toe with enemies like we use to through parrying and blocking attacks. Such a sad, sad fate.

Stooperdale.3560:

Venoms will always be dysfunctional while shared venoms needs to be balanced with 5x strength so anything they do with venoms in the meantime is meaningless.

Yes thieves should get a parry move but it fits badly into the initiative system. The underwater block is situationally perfect or quite useless (multiple enemies hit through the block response) which is a classic broken skill.

I honestly just wish they’d delete Venoms. I’m tired of them trying to fix such a lame concept and seemingly ignoring everything else because they’re so desperate to make them viable or fun when they never will be as utility skills. They only thing they could really do with it is put it on F keys like Steal.

It’s like the thief dev was asked to give his version of the new heal as all the other devs had spent a good bit of time working on their classes heals.

Since he’d been playing hearthstone all day, off the top of his head he said ‘Umm…heal venom?, yeah, heal venom, that’ll do. It works the same as SoM, but not as good.’

phaeris.7604:

It’s like the thief dev was asked to give his version of the new heal as all the other devs had spent a good bit of time working on their classes heals.

Since he’d been playing hearthstone all day, off the top of his head he said ‘Umm…heal venom?, yeah, heal venom, that’ll do. It works the same as SoM, but not as good.’

wait… wait… back up,
we have a thief dev?

Zero Day.2594:

wait… wait… back up,
we have a thief dev?

I assume it’s the janitor. Or just some guy on the street they shout down at from the window. Or a magic eight ball they shake.

phaeris.7604:

Zero Day.2594:

wait… wait… back up,
we have a thief dev?

I assume it’s the janitor. Or just some guy on the street they shout down at from the window. Or a magic eight ball they shake.

Well, if he’s legit…
He’s probably in jail for stealing kittens.

(See what I did there with the bad word… works both ways!)

Doggie.3184:

I honestly just wish they’d delete Venoms. I’m tired of them trying to fix such a lame concept and seemingly ignoring everything else because they’re so desperate to make them viable or fun when they never will be as utility skills. They only thing they could really do with it is put it on F keys like Steal.

I’m a little out of the loop here but, when was the last time ANet did ANYTHING to try to fix our venoms?

Side note, JonPeters implied in another thread that the thief heal skill was kind of a big deal. Wait and see I say.

IF the thief heal skill as advertised is kind of a big deal, then the other classes heal skills are equivalent to the second coming of christ.

Well if the thief heal is a valid one player heal, it’ll be indeed a big deal once venom shared.

For a couple days until it’s hotfixed I suppose :p

phaeris.7604:

IF the thief heal skill as advertised is kind of a big deal, then the other classes heal skills are equivalent to the second coming of christ.

Yup, right around/near the time of Christmas after all…

(I know it’s the wrong story/version/date)

stof.9341:

Doggie.3184:

I honestly just wish they’d delete Venoms. I’m tired of them trying to fix such a lame concept and seemingly ignoring everything else because they’re so desperate to make them viable or fun when they never will be as utility skills. They only thing they could really do with it is put it on F keys like Steal.

I’m a little out of the loop here but, when was the last time ANet did ANYTHING to try to fix our venoms?

Side note, JonPeters implied in another thread that the thief heal skill was kind of a big deal. Wait and see I say.

All I know is several times I’ve seen that word “Venom” in patch notes with minor tweaks and changes with nothing of real value fixed/buffed and it always kitten es me off or makes me /facepalm because it’s such a boring POS mechanic.

and with the heal skill~ Assassin’s Reward? Yeah GL with me going 30 Acro and 30 Trickery so I can have no S/D DMG at all. I enjoy Sword&Steal builds a lot but the patch just tosses it into the trash bin. The whole trickery line will serve no purpose beyond condi builds if we’re forced to spec so far into acrobatics to work around the survival nerf. Even then it’s still basically RIP Sleight of Hands.

I played a thief in Dark Souls and absolutely loved backstabbing and parry/riposting. When I started playing GW2, I really wanted to be a parry thief but alas, there was no such skill. I would love to see it implemented on sword offhand in the future so that I could D/S and relive the play style.

phaeris.7604:

They need more reactive moves like in Daoc.

So if you evade/block, a weapon style becomes available.

That’s kind of already the case except you don’t need to manually activate the move.

samanosuke.4508:

I played a thief in Dark Souls and absolutely loved backstabbing and parry/riposting. When I started playing GW2, I really wanted to be a parry thief but alas, there was no such skill. I would love to see it implemented on sword offhand in the future so that I could D/S and relive the play style.

I was a Thief in Dark Souls too, except I used Claw. Light the thing on fire with Charcoal Resin and parrystab people in the stomach with it. <3
If you didn’t play GW1 Assassins didn’t have stealth, they were block tankers + shadowstepping ~ also death blossom did high crit damage instead of condition dmg only. It was so beautiful.

See look at that. Claw, Parrying and Burn condition right there. I made a Claw thread before a while back that was dedicated to bringing back Assassin-like block/parry gameplay from GW1.

If we ever get offhand sword a parry/block would be a perfect candidate for one of the skills.

“If we ever get offhand sword a parry/block would be a perfect candidate for one of the skills.”

Dagger/sword would be a ridiculous combination but a crossed swords parry would be a good dual skill animation for sword/sword.

Stooperdale.3560:

“If we ever get offhand sword a parry/block would be a perfect candidate for one of the skills.”

Dagger/sword would be a ridiculous combination but a crossed swords parry would be a good dual skill animation for sword/sword.

It would depend if sword offhand was given access to stealth. If it was made a stealthless weaponset then dagger main-hand wouldn’t be much of an issue.