Guild Wars 2

Ive played gw1 since day 1 and what a balanced game that was. Gw2 is great but the classes at this point are more broken then I have seen ever. Thieves are out of control. Its the only class that makes anyone else feel like a sitting duck when you fight them and no chance. In WvW a thief can take a group of 5 out with no problem. Other classes have to give up say Defence for Major offense. Thief gives up nothing because if you cant see them wtf are you suppose to do. If you go in PvP and spectate any thief, Its auto attack and heartseeker and that’s it. Its pathetic how retarted strong this class is. I have all classes at 80 and spent so much time on each class and thief is out of control. Ranger is my favorite class and they are the most broken class I have seen. It puts shame to the ranger in GW1. Wheres apply poison or fire arrows or any preprations ANYTHING! Thieves need a major major nerf and the other classes need more time and thought cause the more I play gw2 pvp and wvw it really is sad that thief owns everyone. Now ya you can beat a thief but you have to have skills ready for them.Gw2 isn’t suppose to be like this because in gw1 every build could compete with other builds. Tell me how you go from a game with 500 skills for a profession/2nd profession to a game with like 60 skills for one character and its this unbalanced…… As a long time arena net player You guys need to understand that it isn’t just me saying this. Its sooooooo many people on gw complaining about this. And the ones that aren’t are the people auto attacking/heartseeker other classes…… = / This is a really sad turn to gw2 and really needs to be thought over. The living stories are great and all but to be honest it would be nice to take a break from them and have you guys worry about stuff other then that. Stuff that’s more important like the characters of your game. That’s the core of your game and if your characters aren’t balanced theres no reason to play this game…. Its cool your living story is great but whats the point of having these stories if people aren’t happy playing your classes. You guys really need to think this through because coming from gw1 I would never expect gw2 to be so broken like this. At first people from gw1 said gw2 sucked and would never play it. I thought they were crazy but now I understand why they would say that. Gw1 is such a better balanced game then gw2. You guys are the same team and I understand a new game and new ideas but its like everything good from gw1 got thrown out the window…..(ex:templates) It just seems like you guys Buff a class so hardcore and the class you buffed just destroys until you realize man we need to nerf this class again….Wash and repeat and that’s how your classes get so broken. I played gw1 since day1 and was waiting for gw2 since 2008 and was so happy it finally came out but im not happy with how its turned out in the first year when it comes to diversity and the broken classes. In gw1 nobody ever ran the same build and in GW2 its like you force yourself to go down a trait line you really dont want to go down but if you don’t your class blows. I hope you guys take this serious because I don’t only speak for myself. I will continue to play gw2 but if the classes stay this broken then I wont be around much longer as others wont be either.

(o. o ) ….. good lord.

Thieves are not OP, they are UP in comparison to the other meta professions and if the meta professions aren’t toned down then Thieves, Elementalists, and Mesmers will all need buffs.

Also, every argument you just made has been refuted a billion times since launch. Please, for crying out loud, use the search button.

/thread

crec.1627:

In WvW a thief can take a group of 5 out with no problem.

Must be playing bads….serious bads.

I encourage you to try this, though. You won’t be able to do it “no problem” whenever you feel like it against every group.

I don’t expect to see heartseeker spam OP from a person who has been playing since day 1 of Guild Wars 1. Really I would like to see you walk up to a current warrior/guard/necro and heatseeker them to death. I actually have a very difficult time believing that someone with all classes at 80 doesn’t find us middle of the pack. Also I thought the current meta was evade spam which is why they’re shaving (nerfing) FS this patch. Had to double check the date on this multiple times to make sure it wasn’t from September 2012.

I don’t find thieves UP at all though.

Thieves are actually quite decently balanced. As far as a stealth class can be balanced.

The interesting part, against bad players we can appear OP.

Against good players with decent gear, we actually don’t always have enough tools to break them.

If a thief keeps stealthing on you to regen and come back. Keep your stuns ready for the point where he would usually hide. Thieves really don’t have that many reliable ways to get out of trouble.

Due to the lack of paragraphs and periods, you have lost my attention. So I shall leave you with this:

crec.1627:

Ive played gw1 since day 1 and what a balanced game that was. Gw2 is great but the classes at this point are more broken then I have seen ever. Thieves are out of control. Its the only class that makes anyone else feel like a sitting duck when you fight them and no chance. In WvW a thief can take a group of 5 out with no problem. Other classes have to give up say Defence for Major offense. Thief gives up nothing because if you cant see them wtf are you suppose to do. If you go in PvP and spectate any thief, Its auto attack and heartseeker and that’s it. Its pathetic how retarted strong this class is. I have all classes at 80 and spent so much time on each class and thief is out of control. Ranger is my favorite class and they are the most broken class I have seen. It puts shame to the ranger in GW1. Wheres apply poison or fire arrows or any preprations ANYTHING! Thieves need a major major nerf and the other classes need more time and thought cause the more I play gw2 pvp and wvw it really is sad that thief owns everyone. Now ya you can beat a thief but you have to have skills ready for them.Gw2 isn’t suppose to be like this because in gw1 every build could compete with other builds. Tell me how you go from a game with 500 skills for a profession/2nd profession to a game with like 60 skills for one character and its this unbalanced…… As a long time arena net player You guys need to understand that it isn’t just me saying this. Its sooooooo many people on gw complaining about this. And the ones that aren’t are the people auto attacking/heartseeker other classes…… = / This is a really sad turn to gw2 and really needs to be thought over. The living stories are great and all but to be honest it would be nice to take a break from them and have you guys worry about stuff other then that. Stuff that’s more important like the characters of your game. That’s the core of your game and if your characters aren’t balanced theres no reason to play this game…. Its cool your living story is great but whats the point of having these stories if people aren’t happy playing your classes. You guys really need to think this through because coming from gw1 I would never expect gw2 to be so broken like this. At first people from gw1 said gw2 sucked and would never play it. I thought they were crazy but now I understand why they would say that. Gw1 is such a better balanced game then gw2. You guys are the same team and I understand a new game and new ideas but its like everything good from gw1 got thrown out the window…..(ex:templates) It just seems like you guys Buff a class so hardcore and the class you buffed just destroys until you realize man we need to nerf this class again….Wash and repeat and that’s how your classes get so broken. I played gw1 since day1 and was waiting for gw2 since 2008 and was so happy it finally came out but im not happy with how its turned out in the first year when it comes to diversity and the broken classes. In gw1 nobody ever ran the same build and in GW2 its like you force yourself to go down a trait line you really dont want to go down but if you don’t your class blows. I hope you guys take this serious because I don’t only speak for myself. I will continue to play gw2 but if the classes stay this broken then I wont be around much longer as others wont be either.

i agree with this guy , 101%
what’s the TL DR story ?!?

TLDR.

You doomed any kind of relevant argument yourself when you said “Thieves are out of control. Its the only class that makes anyone else FEEL like a sitting duck when you fight them and no chance.”

You may feel that way, but that is not the truth. Thieves are very squishy, and have plenty of counters. I know this because on my Necro, I often destroy thieves and walk away with 90% HP.

The bottom line is, people just don’t like losing to thieves. They can get destroyed by condition necros or perplexity engies, they can get smashed by a warrior, but they will remember that loss to a thief because OMG HE WAS STEALTHED.

No sympathy from me. Learn how to counter the class, because thieves are fine, and they aren’t even one of the top pvp classes right now.

And I thought the “thief OP QQ” times ended a few montgs after launch.. Silly me >_>.

too much kittened person like the topic poster is why making this game bad to play

OP: Instead of playing GW2 from day 1, you should’ve spent that time taking some English classes, and learning about paragraphs and punctuation. It’s hard to take anyone serious who is too lazy to even make their statement readable.

Excuse me, but have you actually rolled a thief? No thief will be able to ‘easily’ take out a group of 5 people, unless they are terribad upleveled randies. Any decent 2+ people will be able to put the thief on defensive, no matter how good a thief.

The stealth mechanics are indeed strong, but that’s only in WvW. And while they are strong, they are not unbeatable. Thieves can be hit while in stealth, and the way most thieves are built, they’re like paper planes just waiting to have their wings shot. Even if they were the bunkier sort, you should be able to force them out of stealth/keep them from stealthing with timed CC’s. Not to mention the incoming Sic Em’ skill that will apply revealed.

OP, please roll a thief and then make that statement again. As it is, you’re more of a kitten baddie running your mouth rather than a person to be taken seriously. I would much rather cry about the new state of warriors, being able to perma stun and tank like a whale w/ their heals and massive hp pool, while still being able to outrun even thieves.

Less QQ more Yay.

If they’re so OP I dare you to make one and post your gameplay of your heartseeker spam. Go on, we’ll see how effective you are and how fast you get killed by players that aren’t stupid.

Is this a joke? Ranger is one of the most represented and powerful pvp classes out there. Check your facts, last high end tournament had way more rangers than thieves.

In WvW d/p perma stealth with 20k+ burst is indeed too powerful for trolling, but its still not even close to what warriors can be.

Why is it that i never get to run into these mystical groups of five that i can take on with out any problems?

here is another thread about thieves being OP

well they arent if they play against skilled opponents

i play thief from day 1 and also mesmer and necro
after you learn the basic how to counter thief its very easy to accomplish . you learn when thief use stealth when and where they dodge roll

i did some video which expain it. i played new build (s/p) i was testing against d/p thief. so i start count the seconds and put space between us and caught him when he got revealed without initiatives points

imo thief need more skill boost and some skill nerf

i dont like perma stealth thief who just trolling and its bit boring to play with or against

well yesterday warrior hit me with 13k eviscerate- mmm op?! na . i have should dodge
so i punish him with 5k cnd and 8k bs and spam HS as he tried to run away and only HS can catch him but he got away…

tip: never run from thief only if you sure he cant catch you. otherwise put some pressure on him

learn to play the game as its not about 500 skills used but know the movement , know the class you play against, and watch the environment carefully

i am also able to do 1v5 against pugs or uplvl or afk , but never against guild group or skilled players

in tpvp you wont see many thieves these days…

so pls stop putting OP thread is bit boring …

Incurafy.6329:

Thieves are not OP, they are UP in comparison to the other meta professions and if the meta professions aren’t toned down then Thieves, Elementalists, and Mesmers will all need buffs.

Also, every argument you just made has been refuted a billion times since launch. Please, for crying out loud, use the search button.

/thread

UP how compared to what class other than guardians?

Last night I killed a group of 4 with my thief.

They were 4 thieves. This is madness, nerf thief!

Notice it’s probably written by a Ranger. That ranger is not condition spirit one, probably power one. None will consider Power ranger as a top meta. Unless you’re really skilled in it, you won’t see killstreaks/ successfull 1v1. Most Powers run straight GC and full signets for big numbers. You can’t really blame them for doing that, Ranger is most broken class of all, and the reason why most of us roll condition is because it’s the only source of damage not reduced by having a pet. No thief considers bow ranger as a threat.
While I have no problems with most of classes, playing as power, even highly UP. I’ve been playing as a MM hunter class in WoW for a long time, either when it was OP and nerfed to a meatshield. For whole that time, I’ve been making constant, slow progress in my own tactics vs. every class and after some period of time, there was always a point where I had certain counterplays for most classes. Now, back to GW2. When I’ve found counterplays for almost all builds and classes (Yes, even current Warriors), I find thieves very annoying. Dueling with this class is like a mouse fighting with cat. When I have to be extremaly focused and playing flawless to win with good thieves, they usually are relaxing, spamming gapclosers. When I try to kite as good as I can (although kiing is very broken in this game, reason why pvp is dominated by close to melee range builds), they don’t give a single kitten, they’re not punished with it at all. When I fight with melee, I want to be rewarded for keeping range, being ready for making tactics and active playing. That’s why I prefer fighting with any Warrior, even most OP builds, because they have gapclosers, yes, but telegraphed, allowing to counter them somehow and with some cooldown – so I know I can use this time to my advantage.
With Thief – none of mentioned above. They just stick like glued, blinding constantly, without single cripple/chill even. No. Spammable, not telegraphed gapclosers, requiring no skill at all, without proper counterplays.
This state has to be fixed. Reduce spam, give more counterplay. That’s all I want.

Well beautifully put Op.

I and countless others, totally agree with everything you said 110%.

I felt like ranting topic?

Made wall of text that probably says the same exact things you could find in other QQ threads about thief. Probably the same thing you could read in other QQ threads just replace stealth/invisibility with X.

I’ve fought at least 1 of each class that have been early unkillable even in 1v2,
even warriors in 1v3 with their immunity to movement imparing effects, and thieves have been one of the easiest kills for them.

Sure, most classes are geared for defence, and many for condition damage to have better survival than thieves. But also thieves are supposed to be the best single target class in the game, currently they aren’t, and their defence relies on staying in stealth or getting out of combat quickly, how do you perform damage while using these survival mechanisms? answer: you don’t! instead we are given high burst when we can use it, there are counters for burst; boons, toughness and crowd control.

12 bleeds ticking for 100 dmg for 10 seconds is enough to kill a thief with base hp, imagine what some confusion, burn and crowd control do then, and there you got a hard counter. Or roll a warrior and take a mace or hammer and spam stuns and knockdowns, and healing signet and adrenal heal, dogged march and runes and food for -condition duration. Or minionmancer in spvp, always had a hard time fighting good ones, even bad ones who stand idly by.

If you have played thief enough to have fought every kind of build countless of times,
you know what happens when that build that tears you down in seconds in 1v1 shows up in 1v2. And you know what happens if they nerf your only way to have a chance against these builds, a chance where not even skill is enough to take them down and you rely 80% on luck when fighting them, even after changing your traits and utilities to the defeat them.

A meme for you. I don’t think they are broken, I think they are fine as they are, but following your logic they are just as broken or more broken than thieves.

Rym.1469:

With Thief – none of mentioned above. They just stick like glued, blinding constantly, without single cripple/chill even. No. Spammable, not telegraphed gapclosers, requiring no skill at all, without proper counterplays.
This state has to be fixed. Reduce spam, give more counterplay. That’s all I want.

You realize rotations is another form of spam right?

Fade.7658:

OP: Instead of playing GW2 from day 1, you should’ve spent that time taking some English classes, and learning about paragraphs and punctuation. It’s hard to take anyone serious who is too lazy to even make their statement readable.

Instead of Insulting and Belittling the Op paragraphs, statements, why don’t you Respectfuly correct him and give him Polite suggestions?

Devon.9061:

Due to the lack of paragraphs and periods, you have lost my attention. So I shall leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSlULPN768

Devon,

I Appreciate your Honesty and your Boldness in exposing the Truth.

Burnfall.9573:

Fade.7658:

OP: Instead of playing GW2 from day 1, you should’ve spent that time taking some English classes, and learning about paragraphs and punctuation. It’s hard to take anyone serious who is too lazy to even make their statement readable.

Instead of Insulting and Belittling the Op paragraphs, statements, why don’t you Respectfuly correct him and give him Polite suggestions?

I’m not his teacher, friend or anything else. It’s common courtesy to at least make your posts readable, without having to go out of your way to sort things out.

I could care less about misspellings, or the improper use of words to convey what he’s trying to say. There are a ton of people who don’t speak English as their primary language, yet the vast majority of them can post something, and have it instantly understood.

The OP is either lazy or stupid, and I cannot believe anyone is that stupid. If he can’t take the time to even break up a huge block of sentences, why should I take the time to try to sort out what he’s trying to say?

As to you Burnfall, you hate the thief class with a passion, and any time you post, it’s incredibly biased. You complain about how tough thieves are, where a ton of people don’t seem to have your issues.

Thieves have even made long instructional posts on how to defeat the profession. Have you even bothered to read any of them? I seriously doubt you have, as that takes an investment of time that most gamers these days don’t want to do. (I had issues with a variety of classes, and I rolled them to learn how to defeat them – I don’t always, but at least I know what to expect)

My post will likely get removed by a moderator, but I have no issues with that. Call me a grammar kitten, or something else, but all I and most people want, is the courtesy of a legible post.

Fade.7658:

Burnfall.9573:

Fade.7658:

OP: Instead of playing GW2 from day 1, you should’ve spent that time taking some English classes, and learning about paragraphs and punctuation. It’s hard to take anyone serious who is too lazy to even make their statement readable.

Instead of Insulting and Belittling the Op paragraphs, statements, why don’t you Respectfuly correct him and give him Polite suggestions?

I’m not his teacher, friend or anything else. It’s common courtesy to at least make your posts readable, without having to go out of your way to sort things out.

I could care less about misspellings, or the improper use of words to convey what he’s trying to say. There are a ton of people who don’t speak English as their primary language, yet the vast majority of them can post something, and have it instantly understood.

The OP is either lazy or stupid, and I cannot believe anyone is that stupid. If he can’t take the time to even break up a huge block of sentences, why should I take the time to try to sort out what he’s trying to say?

As to you Burnfall, you hate the thief class with a passion, and any time you post, it’s incredibly biased. You complain about how tough thieves are, where a ton of people don’t seem to have your issues.

Thieves have even made long instructional posts on how to defeat the profession. Have you even bothered to read any of them? I seriously doubt you have, as that takes an investment of time that most gamers these days don’t want to do. (I had issues with a variety of classes, and I rolled them to learn how to defeat them – I don’t always, but at least I know what to expect)

My post will likely get removed by a moderator, but I have no issues with that. Call me a grammar kitten, or something else, but all I and most people want, is the courtesy of a legible post.

I here everything you said Fade, but still, the Op; as a human being player, dersevers Respect and Politeness.

Not even you he never once verbally attack or insulted you or your post in any way.

‘Even you would like to be treated with respect and dignity in return, no matter what’.

right?

Respect and politeness begins with how you treat others. If you don’t treat others that way, don’t expect such treatment in return. It can be said his original post wasn’t just lazy, it was disrespectful to those reading it, if you want to bring politeness and respect into this.

Laziness at it’s core, is disrespectful, if it involves others. No one is asking him to post with perfection, or even with decent spelling.

He posts something that is bound to cause conflict, but in a manner where we, the readers, have to almost decipher it, like the Rosetta Stone. At that point, most readers are going to be slightly irritated about having to take extra time to read it.

Do you really expect an unbiased response at that point, from a community whose forum this is, about a post calling for nerfs to their favored profession, after reading THAT?

If you want a serious conversation about anything profession related, the first step is be coherent, and post in a manner where people don’t have to strain to understand you. That’s what is respectful. Not throwing gibberish together, and expecting to be taken seriously.

On a separate note, you post with some frequency on the thief forums ranting about whatever is offending you at the moment regarding thieves. Most of the time, you don’t post in a manner that asks for serious conversation.

I have to ask myself, are you naive about what you expect from people who you rant at for nerfs (in a manner that is borderline inflammatory at times), or are you simply trolling?

Devon.9061:

Due to the lack of paragraphs and periods, you have lost my attention. So I shall leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSlULPN768

Oh man I’ve seen this video twice now and I’m still laughing. It’s friggin brilliant!

On a serious note though, thieves will now be able to perma-immobilize as of tomorrow. Their no. 2 mainhand pistol will immobilize, and immobilize will stack in duration. Yes, that’s right boys and girls, immobilizes will no longer overwrite eachother, they will stack in duration.

Buttercup.5871:

Devon.9061:

Due to the lack of paragraphs and periods, you have lost my attention. So I shall leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSlULPN768

Oh man I’ve seen this video twice now and I’m still laughing. It’s friggin brilliant!

On a serious note though, thieves will now be able to perma-stunlock as of tomorrow. Their no. 4 offhand pistol will stun, and stun will stack in duration. Yes, that’s right boys and girls, stuns will no longer overwrite eachother, they will stack in duration.

If I may ask, what is your source? I’ve been trying to find out what to expect in tomorrow’s patch notes, with no success.

Ashamed of my fellow thieves’ behavior. Belittling someones’ English skills should warrent a suspension.

Sanduskel.1850:

Ashamed of my fellow thieves’ behavior. Belittling someones’ English skills should warrent a suspension.

o k dude u rite everyon shud be able to type any way th want. lol yolo #hashtags4life

Fade.7658:

Buttercup.5871:

Devon.9061:

Due to the lack of paragraphs and periods, you have lost my attention. So I shall leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSlULPN768

Oh man I’ve seen this video twice now and I’m still laughing. It’s friggin brilliant!

On a serious note though, thieves will now be able to perma-stunlock as of tomorrow. Their no. 4 offhand pistol will stun, and stun will stack in duration. Yes, that’s right boys and girls, stuns will no longer overwrite eachother, they will stack in duration.

If I may ask, what is your source? I’ve been trying to find out what to expect in tomorrow’s patch notes, with no success.

The developer’s live-stream http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/3084216

But they’ve said the stacks are removed easy enough through condition removal, and neither do they last that long. Also its not on off-hand pistol, its on pistol dagger.

I’m sorry, I edited my post, was too tired shouldn’t have done that. This is the info, correctly covered by none other than Dulfy, based on what we just saw on the livestream twitch channel:

Venomous Aura – increased from 240 to 360 range.
Pistol on mainhand now immobilize on #2 skill, costs 4 initiative.
Blinding Powder now has a blast finisher.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1og4v2/skill_change_developer_livestream_notes/

Sanduskel.1850:

Ashamed of my fellow thieves’ behavior. Belittling someones’ English skills should warrent a suspension.

So being lazy and/or disrespectful by posting something we have to go out of our way to understand is just fine? It’s not a lot to ask to use paragraphs once in a while. It’s hardly belittling, as you put it.

Just about every post from you is you sitting on your high horse “belittling” other thieves, especially those that perma-stealth.

Ashamed of my fellow thieves’ behavior. Belittling someone’s play style should warrant a suspension.

Buttercup.5871:

I’m sorry, I edited my post, too tired shouldn’t have done that. This is the info, correctly covered by none other than Dulfy:

Venomous Aura – increased from 240 to 360 range.
Pistol on mainhand now immobilize on #2 skill, costs 4 initiative.
Blinding Powder now has a blast finisher.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1og4v2/skill_change_developer_livestream_notes/

Thank you.

Burnfall.9573:

Devon.9061:

Due to the lack of paragraphs and periods, you have lost my attention. So I shall leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSlULPN768

Devon,

I Appreciate your Honesty and your Boldness in exposing the Truth.

You realize this video is to show how useless HS spamming is right? I don’t think he downs a single guy without help from his team and you’ll notice the joke at the beginning that the most powerful tool in his kitten nal is back fighting because he spends most of the time on his back. He can’t even down an afk guy without help.

Just ignore Burnfall and Sand, Fade, Burn is an established troll and Sand’s arguments are questionable at the best of times.

Sanduskel.1850:

Ashamed of my fellow thieves’ behavior. Belittling someones’ English skills should warrent a suspension.

Warrant*

i don’t know if i travelled back in time or anything because WARRIOR is out of control its all everyone plays in PvP because it’s god like and can destroy thieves with ease

Excalibur.9748:

i don’t know if i travelled back in time or anything because WARRIOR is out of control its all everyone plays in PvP because it’s god like and can destroy thieves with ease

With the amount of anti-stealth threads posted this week you’d think that we’d travelled back to September 2012, lol.

Incurafy.6329:

Excalibur.9748:

i don’t know if i travelled back in time or anything because WARRIOR is out of control its all everyone plays in PvP because it’s god like and can destroy thieves with ease

With the amount of anti-stealth threads posted this week you’d think that we’d travelled back to September 2012, lol.

Well last month it was anti-evade spam. This month it’s anti-stealth. At least after today we can say “bring a ranger.” But really that’s going to just shift it back to complaining about evade spam or other classes saying they should have the same mechanic.

Hopefully we get some of these skills back to even the playing field:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Beguiling_Haze
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assault_Enchantments
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shadow_Form
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shroud_of_Silence
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Temple_Strike
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Flashing_Blades
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Critical_Defenses

…but go ahead and tell me that thieves are OP because we can evade too much.

Maugetarr.6823:

Incurafy.6329:

Excalibur.9748:

i don’t know if i travelled back in time or anything because WARRIOR is out of control its all everyone plays in PvP because it’s god like and can destroy thieves with ease

With the amount of anti-stealth threads posted this week you’d think that we’d travelled back to September 2012, lol.

Well last month it was anti-evade spam. This month it’s anti-stealth. At least after today we can say “bring a ranger.” But really that’s going to just shift it back to complaining about evade spam or other classes saying they should have the same mechanic.

Hopefully we get some of these skills back to even the playing field:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Beguiling_Haze
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assault_Enchantments
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shadow_Form
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shroud_of_Silence
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Temple_Strike
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Flashing_Blades
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Critical_Defenses

…but go ahead and tell me that thieves are OP because we can evade too much.

Oh man, FB + CD would = a flood of QQ to rival the mythical great flood, LOL.

I would love it, but sadly the Assassin profession is dead. It’s a shame that they couldn’t bring it back without the chain combos (would be too easy to screw up with the way combat works in GW2) and just not even bother giving Thieves high access to stealth.

Incurafy.6329:

Maugetarr.6823:

Incurafy.6329:

Excalibur.9748:

i don’t know if i travelled back in time or anything because WARRIOR is out of control its all everyone plays in PvP because it’s god like and can destroy thieves with ease

With the amount of anti-stealth threads posted this week you’d think that we’d travelled back to September 2012, lol.

Well last month it was anti-evade spam. This month it’s anti-stealth. At least after today we can say “bring a ranger.” But really that’s going to just shift it back to complaining about evade spam or other classes saying they should have the same mechanic.

Hopefully we get some of these skills back to even the playing field:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Beguiling_Haze
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assault_Enchantments
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shadow_Form
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shroud_of_Silence
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Temple_Strike
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Flashing_Blades
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Critical_Defenses

…but go ahead and tell me that thieves are OP because we can evade too much.

Oh man, FB + CD would = a flood of QQ to rival the mythical great flood, LOL.

I would love it, but sadly the Assassin profession is dead. It’s a shame that they couldn’t bring it back without the chain combos (would be too easy to screw up with the way combat works in GW2) and just not even bother giving Thieves high access to stealth.

Yep. Imagine being able to see us but 75% of your attacks miss… while we still can use all of our other attacks. No dodes slowing down DPS. No sitting in stealth waiting for condi clears and health. Continuous pressure.

I play thief from time to time in spvp, its not the main class I play. I find burst build thieves are good at quickly killing low hp players that have burned their cds and at stealth ressing.

You can make some decent 1vs1 spvp builds, but its definitely not a cake walk unless the other player is bad and or has a bad build. Personally I have no chance against stun lock warriors as a d/d-sb burst build, but thief is a very high skill cap class so I’m sure the good thieves can do it.

On the other hand I rolled on my warrior for the first time in ages to try out the stun-lock hammer-mace/shield build and u just basically spam a few stuns to win. I actually have to try on my thief and think of combos and strategies, I can get a lot of kills if things are going my way but thief doesn’t seem OP to me in spvp.

Also, I notice that it is almost mandatory to go 30 shadow arts for the condition cleanse and health regen in stealth, which limits build variety (maybe different using sword, but I don’t play thief enough to know).

Anyway, thief is fun to play but takes a lot of skill to do well on and is definitely not OP in spvp, imo.

Rym.1469:

Notice it’s probably written by a Ranger. That ranger is not condition spirit one, probably power one. None will consider Power ranger as a top meta. Unless you’re really skilled in it, you won’t see killstreaks/ successfull 1v1. Most Powers run straight GC and full signets for big numbers. You can’t really blame them for doing that, Ranger is most broken class of all, and the reason why most of us roll condition is because it’s the only source of damage not reduced by having a pet. No thief considers bow ranger as a threat.
While I have no problems with most of classes, playing as power, even highly UP. I’ve been playing as a MM hunter class in WoW for a long time, either when it was OP and nerfed to a meatshield. For whole that time, I’ve been making constant, slow progress in my own tactics vs. every class and after some period of time, there was always a point where I had certain counterplays for most classes. Now, back to GW2. When I’ve found counterplays for almost all builds and classes (Yes, even current Warriors), I find thieves very annoying. Dueling with this class is like a mouse fighting with cat. When I have to be extremaly focused and playing flawless to win with good thieves, they usually are relaxing, spamming gapclosers. When I try to kite as good as I can (although kiing is very broken in this game, reason why pvp is dominated by close to melee range builds), they don’t give a single kitten, they’re not punished with it at all. When I fight with melee, I want to be rewarded for keeping range, being ready for making tactics and active playing. That’s why I prefer fighting with any Warrior, even most OP builds, because they have gapclosers, yes, but telegraphed, allowing to counter them somehow and with some cooldown – so I know I can use this time to my advantage.
With Thief – none of mentioned above. They just stick like glued, blinding constantly, without single cripple/chill even. No. Spammable, not telegraphed gapclosers, requiring no skill at all, without proper counterplays.
This state has to be fixed. Reduce spam, give more counterplay. That’s all I want.

Please make your own thief and show me. Thanks to ppl like you is there nerf after nerf and thief is almost uplayable in wvw after this new patch..

SPAMABLE? rly? make lvl 1 thief go mists spvp and try it instead of making your opinions here on forum.

There is actually a video of a person who made a spec for hs spamming. The intro to his video stated that “this build only works against really bad players”.

Have to say, I agreed. 90% of his kills was a result of the player
A) Not dodging, at all.
B) Using little to no control skills
C) not positioning themselves at any advantage, or trying to recover from the use of obstacles, or evades. In other words, they sat there and just slowly melted.

Thieves aren’t op, they just require the enemy to think. Same goes against mesmers who can actually distract you with dummies while you go mad trying to locate the real slim shady(sorry, I had to).

Thieves cannot 1v5, those 5 people are likely to be horrible at the game and shouldn’t even count as 1 target, if 5 people cannot pin a thief down then they should just stick to pve.

OP. Whitespace? There is a huge key a the bottom, so big it’s hard to miss “the spacebar”.