The teleporting back is likely from the P/D dual skill, now the teleporting forward is awkward, no idea if it is hacking or lag, but I already had the same issue against an elementalist who could “teleport” enormous distances in succession and those weren’t blinks or cantrips, so it’s difficult to make a judgement with that.
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I would understand, if it was some other MMO with like 30 skills +30 macros on skill bars, but in GW2 you have only 10 skills available at the time. Yet, you fail to watch even half of them, which is five.
To be perfectly honest, that looks like good old fashioned lag.
Seen it multiple times in many MMO’s, basically having a poor connection makes it nigh impossible for other people to know where exactly you are as it will appear to other people that you’re teleporting about.
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I would understand, if it was some other MMO with like 30 skills +30 macros on skill bars, but in GW2 you have only 10 skills available at the time. Yet, you fail to watch even half of them, which is five.
What are u talking abt?
The thief is running P/P the whole time + 2 Signets + Quickness so am i missing something here?
You’re prolly talking Sword #2 but you if he would be using that he would have gotten a buff “Shadowreturn” on his buff bar but he never applys that buff in my video so he’s not using that. He spams unload while hes porting backwards so he’s not using P/D either, hes using P/P.
To be perfectly honest, that looks like good old fashioned lag.
Seen it multiple times in many MMO’s, basically having a poor connection makes it nigh impossible for other people to know where exactly you are as it will appear to other people that you’re teleporting about.
Yea maybe its lag it just looked rly fishy, i was fighting that dude like half an hour before i made that video and it was the same, he kept porting around all the time.
He’s not hacking, what you see here is him evading backward + swiftness from Expeditous Dodger (acrobatics 5) not rendering properly, and with a delay, on your screen, because of latency issues.
He’s not hacking, what you see here is him evading backward + swiftness from Expeditous Dodger (acrobatics 5) not rendering properly, and with a delay, on your screen, because of latency issues.
Watch the video again at 4 secs in. He dodge but no swiftness buff. Therefore, he has no trait in acrobatics…
It is sword #2 skill….it even shows it on the tool bar when he is using it. It teleports you to the person and then you can push it again to teleport back to your spot you left from.
He’s not hacking, what you see here is him evading backward + swiftness from Expeditous Dodger (acrobatics 5) not rendering properly, and with a delay, on your screen, because of latency issues.
Watch the video again at 4 secs in. He dodge but no swiftness buff. Therefore, he has no trait in acrobatics…
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Can see the swiftness FX though, should have payed more attention to his buffs.
Can’t be him evading either then since he wouldn’t be able to evade that much without at least 15 in acrobatics, using his agility sig or switch weapon for energy sigil…
And no it’s not infiltrator’s strike, he’s not carrying a sword, and he does that while using unload which is an exclusive p/p skill.
Only shadowstep would allow him to teleport backward without stopping the unload channeling, but only once.
Anyway he doesn’t have the infiltration buff so it’s definitely not it.
Since i mostly do spvp i was wondering if he could get some effect like this out of food buffs ?
If not then, lag or…
edit : actually it’s not the swiftness FX i can see, looks more like the shadowstep or disabling shot fx
It is sword #2 skill….it even shows it on the tool bar when he is using it. It teleports you to the person and then you can push it again to teleport back to your spot you left from.
It’s not sword 2. Look at :03, :06, and :07 in the video. The enemy thief is constantly moving away from OP, not towards him then away like he would be if he were using Infilrator’s Strike. Shadow Return shows up on the OP’s tool bar, but not the toolbar of the enemy thief. At :06 he manages to port back twice while spamming Unload, which takes Sword #2 and P/D #3 out of the equation.
It is sword #2 skill….it even shows it on the tool bar when he is using it. It teleports you to the person and then you can push it again to teleport back to your spot you left from.
It’s not sword 2. Look at :03, :06, and :07 in the video. The enemy thief is constantly moving away from OP, not towards him then away like he would be if he were using Infilrator’s Strike. Shadow Return shows up on the OP’s tool bar, but not the toolbar of the enemy thief. At :06 he manages to port back twice while spamming Unload, which takes Sword #2 and P/D #3 out of the equation.
The FX is coming from his Quickness.
He has 2 Signets + Quickness as Utility, Thief as Elite. You might argue that his Quickness doesnt come from Utility but Trait / Sigil but those only last 2 seconds and the Thiefs quickness is def 4s which is the Utility.
It only happens in the beginning of the video but it is kind of suspect though. In all my hours playing I have never seen anyone do that unless they are using sword main hand or shadow step. Even laggy situation etc there isnt anyone around and the op doesn’t have skill lag at all. I don’t know I mean since it only happened at the beginning and you did get a chance to burst him down and it didn’t happen when you landed good burst on him kind of makes me think he isn’t hacking.
Really? Guys he’s clearly hacking not lag, even if he was lagging he wouldn’t be moving faster walking backwards unloading than the OP is running forward at him. Not to mention that, but the thief is clearly toying with him jumping around as if he knows he can’t be killed, and is just bragging about it. It’s definitely teleport hack, or some other hack, because if it was a latency issue the thief would be more panicky, the op said he was fighting him for about 30 mins and the thief was repeatedly doing this, if it was going on for the last 30 mins we would have seen some more lag in that video, rather than just the “opportune” times when he is getting bursted down, or when the OP is in his face. If you are lagging that hard, then you sure aren’t going to be jumping around toying with people.
Edit: yeah in fact, the more I watch it the more sure I am. He is only “lagging” if people want to say that when the op gets near him or he is close to dying. I have lagged hard in WvW, and my toon ends up running in a straight line at a jogging pace (I know this because my friends have asked me why I a jogged into a keep or mountain. You are clearly not going to run 3 screens distance away from someone with a 25% speed buff advantage over you in the same direction, and if you are lagging that hard, in no way are you going to be taunting someone who is very capable of bursting you down and immobilizing you.
Speed hacking looks like teleporting/lag movement, and it looks pretty similar to what that guy did, but it looked like he used it sparingly, like when he’s about to die, and for short distance. If I were you, I’d just report it via the ingame report and move on. Let Anet handle investigating him.
It looks dodgy to me. I think the biggest giveaway is that the enemy thief is jumping about like he knows he’s trolling you, not even really trying to fight back. Report.
I don’t play a thief but it doesn’t take a thief to notice how fast the mario thief is moving at… No signet of shadows and he runs like he’s out of combat, especially 0:16-0:17.
Certainly looks like he may be hacking. He definitely had dual pistols out during the entirety of the teleport chain around 0:06. He uses swiftness, unloads, teleports, unloads, and then teleports again.
Swiftness empties your endurance, and since it looks like he never used his Signet of Agility to refill his endurance, it couldn’t have been laggy dodgerolls. (Would it still show on his status if he used its active?) Besides, dodgerolls on Swiftness don’t look cracked out like that.
Do you have another clip that doesn’t have that kitten banging in the background? Maybe there’s some audio cues we could listen for.
I would understand, if it was some other MMO with like 30 skills +30 macros on skill bars, but in GW2 you have only 10 skills available at the time. Yet, you fail to watch even half of them, which is five.
This is funny. You can’t even put two and two together to realize that we’re talking about the enemy Asura thief, not the guy playing the thief in the video (which is the OP). I would understand if the OP put together some elaborate and lengthy post, but you’re having trouble parsing three lines?
OP I saw your target warp but not the others so it seems your connection and PC are solid. Having said that I know of a way back from the days of WoW to consistently produce what happened to you in PvP. Blizzard banned it many years ago because it gives an unfair advantage.
Either the guy genuinely has a slow connection or he is using that same ‘method’ that many WoW players know about.
It’s one of two things, lag or hacking. I am going to prove why it wasn’t just “Oh he was using blah blah weapons and legitamently teleported”
It went Unload > Teleport > Unload.
At 0:05 you can clearly see him cast unload (this proves that he is using P/P)
OH BUT WAIT HE COULD THEN SWITCH TO P/D TO USE THE TELETHINGY!!#%^!
No, because after he teleports, he then casts unload again. And quite clearly there was never a 10 second window for his weapon swap recharge to finish.
Well if thief uses p/p he needs hacks to be viable, stop hating him for that. IF thief uses quikness ( usually paired with HS pam 2222222, not in this video though), he allso needs hacks to be viable. Stop hating him for that, hes just trying to survive in this cruel world
Oh and some posters in here that speaks about it being sword 2 skill, you should know that this is the OP in that video S/D+ D/P user, and we are talking about little asure thief with p/p here. And yes you are right, this is Sword skill 2 that OP uses in this video. Rofl.
OOh and OP would have survived if last refuge didnt kick in at 1:00… sad.
My first thought was p/p+p/d in combo with some lag, but I watched that opening unload spam about 20 times, its always out of both hands, and no 5 stack of bleed on the OP for it to be p1 out of stealth. Looks more like the bots I see teleporting all over the place in PvE than skilled play.
It’s hacking. I frapsed a warrior moving in the exact same manner. You would get close to him, he would suddenly port away several times and reappear miles away. He did this repeatedly over the course of about 1hr, multiple people saw the warrior doing this.
The thief in that video was moving in the same way as the warrior I and others saw, definitely not lag. Funnily enough, the warrior was also on a French server.
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Hax for sure, seen it many times from some guardians on dragonbrand, though they’re a bit more blatant since when they get to 10% they warp into the ground to get out of combat regen and the pop back up on your face.
I’ve encountered a ranger once that was teleporting in circles around me while spamming his short bow even though I had perma swiftness. He was pretty bad though; he eventually died to guardian staff attacks. I thought he was just a noob abusing lag… maybe not!
it seems to be someone exploiting a bad connection, to me.
i think it is too random to be a hack, he is always jumping (more packets transmitted) he uses p/p so he doesn’t have to deal with melee range. but it doesn’t perform the classic lag-run.
quite hard to say…
Hi Baba, I can in fact with no doubt confirm it for you that he’s hacking. I’ve fought with this ViZ asuran p/p thief before (pwned him like. 20×.. camped his kitten lmfao). what you needed to do was use ur d/d to do major burst, then switch to ur sword to continue infiltrator striking to kill him. That’s how i caught him when i saw him using insane teleporting.
Like what Baba has said previously, he’s using p/p 2 signets (which none was infiltrator’s signet) and haste. In none of his buff bar, did he had infiltrator’s signet, infiltrator strike/return animation or shadow step utility animation. So that his only source of teleportation would be short bow? No. [infiltrator’s arrow] (if he’s using short bow).. The only teleporting that a thief can use without targetting something first is infiltrator’s arrow and shadow step. But this guy was teleporting for the full duration of the video. You can instantly call it hacks already when someone is consistently using little teleports while burning their initiative on their major burst.
edit: and he doesn’t have bad connection. if he was lagging, other invaders/players in the vid would have been lagging as well, and his response time would be so off.
edit: and he doesn’t have bad connection. if he was lagging, other invaders/players in the vid would have been lagging as well, and his response time would be so off.
I was talking about asura’s connection. Not OP’s lag.
But a laggy player moves in a different way, so it may be a hack.
True true, but if you watch the video closely, in no way was that asura thief lagging at all. You can especially tell when he was taunting by jumping around (pretty smooth gameplay imo). But what really gives it off is the fact that he’s consistently teleporting throughout the vid [w/ pistol/pistol]. You can only do that if y ou know how to conserve your initiative and spam infiltrator’s strike {sword main hand}.
That definitely looks like some hax to me. Even S/D wouldn’t let you teleport around as much as that guy was (straight back, never to the OP), not that he was even using it. It’s also weird that those teleports don’t really look like a typical shadowstep in that there’s no black swirls.
I’ve heard it from countless people: Thieves are OP. I’m so tired of hearing this. I hear people complain that thieves use various little hacks, which in turn make them overpowered in PvP and WvW. I’d personally LOVE to be OP, but as it stands now, I have yet to find the most perfect build for WvW, not that there is one perfect build. There are hacks being abused by all professions in all aspects of the game. But when you know that someone is using a hack to help them win/stay alive when the majority of the players use just using what they’re given in skills and know-how to play the game, it cheapens things in a sense.
(Edited because my brain thought one thing and my fingers typed something completely different hee hee)
