Guild Wars 2

This subforum was meant to be a place where thieves came to share their adventures, ask questions of their peers and discuss strategies with other thieves, all in all, a place to have fun and improve at the game. But right now, its become the most popular place on the forums for complaints, whines and QQs. Right now, this place looks exactly like the rogue forums in WoW. Why has it come to this?

I know, it sucks, but people would rather spend their time here QQing about the class > actually doing some research and learning how to counter it.

People have trouble dealing with things they cants see, even if it is for a few seconds. The whole reason Anet didn’t put perma stealth in was to counter whining and to allow people to prepare for a thief. Problem: people don’t know jack about the thief. I dont know how many times I have explained to guildies and party members on various thief mechanics. People are completely oblivious to how stealth even works.

tl;dr: bads gonna bad

I agree with you OP. It’s unfortunate really. A large portion of the threads seem to be created by people who bring a volatile attitude, and no intention of learning or respectful discussion. And in all honesty, it’s both other classes and Thieves making these threads. I think there needs to be some sort of moderation here, as it is getting a bit out of hand and frustrating to those who want to help further GW2 gameplay development. I hope this will change soon.

Theres always a QQ bandwagon. Always.

And which archetype gets it always?
The stealthy glass cannon. Always.

Why is this?

Because every dev in the world managed to get that particular archetype overpowered in their game?
Or because it’s a mechanic which is fatal if you don’t understand it, but very easy to counter if you do?

Well, it’s pretty obvious which one it is.

Noobs always cry the loudest. And noobs are the ones who (rightfully so) loose against that archetype.

So, what we see here again, is the simple result of bad players being bad.

Not the Thieves fault, just what happens.

My suggestion is to report them to the suggest forum since a nerf is a suggestion:D
They already removed several to the trashcan, since the moderators realised that they don’t fit in here.

I agree that it is really sad right now. This should be a place were we come together and share ideas and builds and see what is best for our playstyles.
It is a sorry state of affairs and the devs need to stop listening to these whiners.
Even if there was only 1 class in the game they would QQ for a nerf cause they got spanked.
If I lose I think the person was better but for some reason people these days cant lose
or that it is impossible for someone to be better and I just dont get it.
Not to mention they dont bother or simply cant comprehend other class mechanics – that is also not my fault or problem.

ArchNemesis.4897:

People have trouble dealing with things they cants see, even if it is for a few seconds. The whole reason Anet didn’t put perma stealth in was to counter whining and to allow people to prepare for a thief. Problem: people don’t know jack about the thief. I dont know how many times I have explained to guildies and party members on various thief mechanics. People are completely oblivious to how stealth even works.

tl;dr: bads gonna bad

I would seriously love perma stealth on thieves and only 1 “vanish” skill with a decent CD like 30 seconds…

Don’t take the coming line of text wrong please:
IMHO the best stealthy class ever made is the Rogue from wow, if you played one, you must know what i am talking about.

Now the “problem” with thief on GW2 is one and only(not counting rendering issue)…it’s too simple to re-stealth. So you end up having an almost permanent stealth wile on fight, which is worst then permanent stealth out of combat

You have way too many and easy ways to enter in stealth land your burst skill, and get out.

I mean it should be a bit more complicated, IMHO stealth should be completely reworked probably (sorry if a say that) in a less innovative way, but for sure more balanced, you know what i mean do you?

Peace.

Sorry cant quote but i would like to answer to Narkosys.5173
your message was:

I agree that it is really sad right now. This should be a place were we come together and share ideas and builds and see what is best for our playstyles.
It is a sorry state of affairs and the devs need to stop listening to these whiners.
Even if there was only 1 class in the game they would QQ for a nerf cause they got spanked.
If I lose I think the person was better but for some reason people these days cant lose
or that it is impossible for someone to be better and I just dont get it.
Not to mention they dont bother or simply cant comprehend other class mechanics – that is also not my fault or problem.

I do believe that communication is our only way to improve our gaming experience, and because of that i am happy when someone start to QQ for something, 60% of the case could be answered with a simple L2P, as most of people like to.
But there is also some truth in people whine, the reason because you don’t see it is simple: you are enjoying the “OP” train.
When you are playing an unbalanced character you start to think that you are really good and the players around you are simply bad. I am afraid in most of the case that’s a sweet lie.
Whine should be made, taken in consideration, and fixed if it’s the case, after all with such a young game like GW2 we are also testers.

I think there’s a great deal of sifting to be done in this corner of the forum. We’ve got the people who come here to say ‘thieves are OP, NERF!’, we’ve got Thieves who come here to say ’Don’t NERF, it was Fine!’ and that eternal debate will rage.

However, if you sift through the chatter, there are several threads where people are asking questions of fellow thieves, and I’ve seen some really interesting discussions about balance of thief skills by people playing thieves.

To date, I’ve tried weapon combos I didn’t think I’d enjoy because of comments made by forum posters, found trait synergies that I hadn’t thought of because of the forum, and in general, found that there are some people here who not only care about the class, but can approach discussions on the class from a reasonable point of view.

Personally, I really wanted to love my warrior…. I played thousands of hours on my GW1 warrior and only touched my Assassin when I felt compared to do some perma-shadow-form farming / running. But in GW2, I have fallen in absolute love with my thief, and hope to see others do the same. It’s an awesome class with rewarding game play, and I love it to death.

One thing I think we’ll see in the forums: As the game matures, balance changes to skills will become fewer and farther between. GW1 used to have an almost monthly tradition of updating large swathes of skills, shifting the meta, nerfing this, buffing that…. but as the game matured, changes became fewer as the player skill base improved. Right now, we have the chaos of early days balance, and there will be lots of commentary on both sides of any change, but things will calm down over time

@Shilian

I could not have said it better myself! THAT is my entire problem with Thieves, the manner in which stealth is attained in GW2. If that were reworked, it’d fix 75% of the complaints i’d think.

I do try to answer any question posted in this subforum that I can answer.
Just be sure to make or up a thread with a sensible name for it, I don’t have enough will to re-read every nerf-this nerf-that one.