Thoughts on Armor Runes vs Orbs and also potentially the best DPS Thief Build ingame. - Dungeon PVE only.

Thoughts on Armor Runes vs Orbs and also potentially the best DPS Thief Build ingame. - Dungeon PVE only.

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Posted by: Pragmatist.1349

Pragmatist.1349

Hello all,

I have created this post not only to share my ideas, but also to request some number crunching and honest crtique of my stats and build. Please note that this post is entirely for dungeon PVE and has no relevance whatsoever to WvW or SPvP.

So first up is the very standard 25 Deadly Arts, 30 Critical Strikes 15 Acrobatics. In this build i have 104% Crit Damge, 60% crit chance, and 2287 power. My main issue with this build is that by my reckoning, the best way to go is 6x Ruby Orbs granting 120 power, 84 precision and 12% Critical Damage. I find that the only competitors against 6X Ruby Orbs are Superior Eagle runes, Superior Infiltration Runes, Superior Thief Runes and Superior Ogre Runes, however I find that the 6x Orbs wins over all of them for this full Crit Damage Build. I would like to hear your thoughts and some number crunching on the 6x Orbs vs 5x or 6x each of the listed Runes for this build.

However, with the recent halloween patch I have seriously begun considering going a Hybrid Condition Damage / Crit Damage build, bear with me for just a moment. Withthis build I would use 25 Deadly Arts / 30 Critical Strikes and 15 Acrobatics with the following gear.

Helm (+32 power / +45 Prec / +32 Condition Damage)
Shoulders (34 Power / 24 Prec / 2% Crit Damage)
Chestguard (101 power / 72 Precision / 5% Crit damage)
Gauntlets (34 power / 24 prec/ 2% crit damage)
Legguards (48 Power/ 67 Prec / 48 Condition Dam)
Boots (24 power / 34 prec / 24 condition damage)
Back (20 power, 14 prec / 1% crit damage)
Earrings – 1x (40 Power/56 Prec/ 40 cond dam) 1x (56 Power/40 prec/ 3% crit dam)
Rings – (1x 48 power/67 prec/ 48 condition dam) 1x (67 power/ 48 prec/ 3% crit dam)
Amulet – (90 power/64 prec / 5% crit dam)
Dual Daggers – 1x (90 power /64 prec / 5% crit) and 1x (64 power/ 90 prec / 64 cond dam)
Shortbow – (128 power/179 prec/128 condition damage)

I would use 1x Ruby Orb in the armor, an Exquisite Ruby Jewel in the Back, an Exquisite ruby jewel in 1 earring and an Exquisite Coral Jewel in the other, an Exquisite Ruby Jewel in 1 ring and an Exquisite coral in the other and an Exquisite Ruby Jewel in the Amulet, and 5x the new halloween Superior Rune of the Mad King. I would use Superior Sigil of Strength in MH dagger and Superior Sigil of Agony in OH dagger, Superior Sigil of Fire in Shortbow. I would use Pistols in situational ranged boss fights.

Overall This would grant me with daggers -

2269 Power
2139 Precision
63% Crit Chance
70% Critical Damage
369 Condition Damage
25% Bleed Duration (from Mad King runes)
10% Bleed Duration from OH dagger.

With Shortbow -

2243 power
2192 precision
64% Crit Chance
65% Critical Damage
433 Condition Damage
25% Bleed Duration (From Mad King Runes)

In Traits i would take Sundering Strikes and Dagger Training in DA, Side Strike/ Critical Haste / Executioner in CS, Power of Inertia in Acrobatics. Using Utilities mainly Hide in Shadows for Heal, Roll For Initiative (sometimes switching for shadow refuge) Caltrops, Signet of Agility (Granting 6x consecutive dodges if needed) and Daggerstorm for elite in most fights switching to Thieves guild in certain situations.

Feel free to ask any additional questions about the build, and to critique as much as possible. I feel that this hybrid build would do more damage than a full Crit Damage build but i do not know how to do the number crunching.

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Posted by: Oldgrimm.8521

Oldgrimm.8521

if you are going cond dmg, i think your condition damage is a little low?

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Posted by: Pragmatist.1349

Pragmatist.1349

Heyy Oldgrimm, its not a condition damage build its a hybrid build, the condition damage is a little low but is compensated for by 25% / 35% bleed duration. Which in condition builds Condition Duration takes priority over Condition Damage.

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Posted by: Pragmatist.1349

Pragmatist.1349

I think it would only work however if condition duration does not have a cap, i have one question aswell. Does Condition Duration show on the tooltip of a spell? For example, if a bleed originally lasts 5 seconds and you equip an item granting 10% condition duration, does the tooltip then say lasts 5 1/2 seconds?

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Posted by: ddrake.5436

ddrake.5436

Hybrid build is a bit lacking on condition. IMO you should drop crit chance and damage to 50% each, then up your condition damage, you will find this far more viable for a hybrid.

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Posted by: PopeUrban.2578

PopeUrban.2578

I think it would only work however if condition duration does not have a cap, i have one question aswell. Does Condition Duration show on the tooltip of a spell? For example, if a bleed originally lasts 5 seconds and you equip an item granting 10% condition duration, does the tooltip then say lasts 5 1/2 seconds?

Sadly, no, it doesn’t update the tooltip, and I wish that would change.

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Posted by: BabelFish.7234

BabelFish.7234

Your crit % should be higher then that…
So at lvl 80…http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precision
divide your precision by 21 and that number+4 is your critical chance.