Guild Wars 2

so instead of arguing with you guys, i thought id write a song about it, hope you enjoy it :P

I <3 it

lol that was a nice pick-me-up today on this bad day. ty

Haha, that was awesome! Well done!

no problem.. im ashamed to say, i self skittened at some of my own lyrics, and my extremely gay singing :P

Classic, just classic.
That was awesome.

That was awesome! Made me giggle. Thanks a lot!

sell it to itunes ahahha nice 2 thumbs up

Can we get it with female vocals next? Please? lol

ive already apoligised for my gay voice :P but female vocals not on the cards :P

I was gonna let it pass but since you used “skill” card..
I play thief, ele, necro and warrior on 2 accounts. Just how easy thief playing is is unbelivable. I simply dont die in 1vs1 or even 1vs2-3 unless i make major mistake. Cloth i down in 2s, warriors/guardians last 5s (not counting shield block and other immunity to dmg). I easily do 20k dmg on non tanky cloth by pressing 1 button that i can spam.
So how is it skill when other classes cant even respond before beeing downed? I down most players before i hit 80% hp. How is that skill? How is that lack of opposing players skill?

For comparison take this: 2 days ago i was palying my full bunker ele. Was fighting vs engineer, guardian and another ele (ele was uplvled). Engineer and guardian were well equipped considering their dmg output and quite good players. Fight lasted unbelivable epic 30 min and i scored 2 kills. Best fight of my gw2 life, i did everything right with no mistakes. Than comes random thief and downs me in 2s from full hp. kitten he was skilled, right?

was it in wvw? i have had problems with the backstabs there.. but in spvp thiefs are not the most powerful class by any means.. they are just amoungst the most annoying.. and yeah personally i dont main thief either.. i main necro and engineer, i just happen to play almost all classes, to get a good idea of all their abilities and usage so i know how to best deal with them.

and to be honest the point of the song was that you shouldnt paint us all with the same brush. not all thiefs run lame spammy builds.. i run pure condition dmg build and people still shout abuse at me when i kill them..

very entertaining and fun thank man +1

Bond.4813:

I was gonna let it pass but since you used “skill” card..
I play thief, ele, necro and warrior on 2 accounts. Just how easy thief playing is is unbelivable. I simply dont die in 1vs1 or even 1vs2-3 unless i make major mistake. Cloth i down in 2s, warriors/guardians last 5s (not counting shield block and other immunity to dmg). I easily do 20k dmg on non tanky cloth by pressing 1 button that i can spam.
So how is it skill when other classes cant even respond before beeing downed? I down most players before i hit 80% hp. How is that skill? How is that lack of opposing players skill?

For comparison take this: 2 days ago i was palying my full bunker ele. Was fighting vs engineer, guardian and another ele (ele was uplvled). Engineer and guardian were well equipped considering their dmg output and quite good players. Fight lasted unbelivable epic 30 min and i scored 2 kills. Best fight of my gw2 life, i did everything right with no mistakes. Than comes random thief and downs me in 2s from full hp. kitten he was skilled, right?

Are you biased like the rest of us? Maybe they are easy. But doesn’t mean that you don’t need skills to play it, maybe you just played terrible bad against that thief. Maybe you did some mistakes.. Or maybe he was just better than you with full exotic.

Also please can we write “thieves”?:)

Best youtube video ever ! Hahahaha !!! Hope devs/gms will watch it and think about it !

And yea Bond if he downed you in 2 sec he was skilled ! L2P !!!

A great song, well done Gintoki,

As for WvW the crit damage is the problem…. 114% is insane, but balance should not be done through WvW, and the ability to down you in 2 seconds is not only reserved to thiefs.

Love the song,, I play a MEz and theif, so I look on both forums.

Same prob at Mez forums, people always coming on and saying how Op Mez is.

Well I dont think either class is OP….

Love this video.

thanks for the feedback lol, and yeah the crit dmg is pretty harsh, since wvw is hardly competitive or fair pvp, i suggest just playing something you enjoy that maybe isnt all that viable for tourney play, i sometimes like to play double pistol/shortbow wvw cos its really fun… :P personally i think shortbow is thiefs best and most fun weapon.. clusterbomb combos so nicely with auto atks and the poison thingy.

anyways dont take my opinion seriously.. im hardly an authority on the matter, but i can certainly make amusing rhymes to trivialise the issues :P

Amazing song.

Hahahahaha..not mean enough to my liking but epic nonetheless .

@Bold You have no arguments and no proof what so ever for that story telling of yours.I can easily copy that ..Once upon a time I took on a elementalist and a guardian in the same time , end up taking the point , killing them both then a warrior showed up and faceplanted me in 2 seconds.True story.Now the moral of my story ..Warriors are OP? No they are not .And neither thieves.You’re just bad.
All proffesions have the ablity to burst down people in no time.Thieves are not any different than any proffesion.In fact, because they are so squishy, the only thing they can make up whit is mobility and speed.The same way Warrior makes up whit more HP and Defence.
And so what if they don’t require skill (which is debateable but I’m not even going to bother since I don’t give a dam what you think) ,what is it to you? what bothers you? Go back to that class of yours that requires tone of skill and be satisfied and let us be.

I have to say that was awesome Loved It!!!!!

Lol same things are being said to me on PvP. “you should feel ashamed that you are playing as a thief” i said back to him why would I?

@gintoki
Yes it was in wvw and i play wvw exclusively. And i do main thief. Since i got my thief to 80 i played my ele once. Had some great fights, died few times, got instagibbed by thief and just loged back on my thief.
While there are viable non burst builds for thief nefing should hit HARD on the burst part. Just spreading dmg on one signet over 5 attacks (and giving it more! overall dmg for nearly all builds) got this community crying like todlers. And your song is catering to them.
And lol at 1vs1 chalanges in my mail (not by gintoki btw). Thief vs thief will prove alot right…

@phoenix
I always try to be objective as much as i can, its a byproduct of my education.
I play a thief as my main for a while already so i know class well. And how can you claim im bad when just before that fight i evaded death 1vs3 for a long time and even scored kills? Than pretty much instantly died to a thief? Key word: instantly. If you really want to know backstab alone was a bit over 9k and i was playing bunker build with tougness/vit as main stats.

And excuse my english, but its not my primary language so expect mistakes.

@dani
Not sure but i hope its sarcasm.

@imperator
Only other class i can think of is warrior. And bull charge is millions times easier to avoid.

@nightynight
No need to belive me, there are plenty of players that can take on several opponents at a time and win. They have same stats (tough/vit) as i do and the incoming dmg was way over my total hp in about 2s flat. According to you i am a bad player, yet opponents are whispering me “well played” and stuff like that.
And i am “back to that class of yours”. Its a thief. Easiest class to score kills with and survive. None of the other classes i play come close. And i dont even bother with haste anymore. I only use it when i really want to make it easy.
If they ever normalise burst dmg i would still play thief, but i would also play other classes.

You had no point then and you still have no point now.You obviously don’t play a lot of different classes or play them well to compare them in the first place.You talk as if BS build is the best there is..Might be good against people who have no clue what they do but thats always the case whit burst classes.That doesn’t make it OP.

For real? My playtime on thief is about same as my ele. Warr and necro lot less sure. But with 500h played on thief and ele alone is enough for me to know the class well.
I never said bs is best there is. I will only say its kittendedly too bursty. It has nothing to do with people not having a clue. No amount of clue will help you vs 5k steal, 10k backstabs and 6k hs. And those are pretty much instant. And leme guess, you are one of those that said 17k bs were not op?

Hahahahaha
Where did you get those numbers? WvW against low leveled and undergeared?Ye i’m sure those people you pull those numbers totaly have a clue.And even if they did ,you expect them to kill a full exotic thief? You make it easier whit every post you write.
You can play your elementalist all your life, if you say you get inta killed like that like BS Thieves are superior to anything an elementalist can trow at you then pretty much sums it up how much of a clue you have.

Those are the numbers on my full exotic bunker ele. And yes, i expect to kill any class if i play a fully equiped char.
I get the impression that you think i dont play a thief at all. Tbh im sceptical you ever played galss cannon thief ever. There are plenty of screen shots by other lvl 80 exotic players that got hit for extreme numbers. Than again i understan your position… no kid wants their fav toy taken away.

i think next time ill write a song about necros.. that way at least people wont argue on the post :P.. unless its about which minion is prettier

Most of the necros will enjoy it.

Bond.4813:

Those are the numbers on my full exotic bunker ele. And yes, i expect to kill any class if i play a fully equiped char.
I get the impression that you think i dont play a thief at all. Tbh im sceptical you ever played galss cannon thief ever. There are plenty of screen shots by other lvl 80 exotic players that got hit for extreme numbers. Than again i understan your position… no kid wants their fav toy taken away.

Ohhh no you didn’t …hahahaha didn’t you said you highly doubt I ever played a glass cannon thief ever? now what ..I do and don’t wanna loose my toy? Make up your mind.Present me whit an argument.Back up those arguments whit proofs.So far you did nothing of that.You can’t even read properly.
And even if those numbers were to be true ,You do realise that WvWvW by design is unbalanded right?It has nothing to do whit Thief being OP .The Assassin’s signet had been nerfed and there are no more orbs of power.Those numbers on any kind of bunker builds are not possible anymore .Maybe ,just MAYBE is extream circumstances which are not likely to happen .You can’t play me around whit empty words buddy.

Ohh yes i did. Its like you first time heard of those numbers hence my doubt. My proof? How bout nerfbat hitting signet for start? And feel free to youtube search for thief burst dmg. There are plenty of such numbers to show.
WvWvW is NOT unbalanced by design. Its unabalance comes from people with low lvl gear. I am however maxed out on everything except missing a legendary.
Orbs of power did not give that much of a boost. Signet was spread over 5 hits insted of 1 meaning even anet realised the dmg is way too high. Same for pistol whip which i still consider too high dmg. Expect more to come.
Those numbers not possible on bunkers? lol. Sure not on warrior with plate. On ele, necro and mesmer they sure are.
And yes, i do consider you a kid with a toy. You are scared of an idea that enemy should have a chance to fight back.

Funny because my thief doesn’t roll a BS build.In fact if BS gets nerfed I might get a buff again just like last time so its in my best interest.Why am defending BS? Because BS builds are a joke and you are wrong.
And funny because Necro are better bunkers whit cloth armour than heavy armour warrior any time.And you got 5k’s + 10k’s +6k’s HS’s on earth atunement elementalist whitout orbs of power and prenerfed AS? Ye..who do you think you’re fooling.
I’d apreaciate you stop talking to me.You’re clueless and not even capable to follow what I am saying.If you have any proof to any of your none-arguments you’ve brought up so far we can continue talking.
Only thing left to ask.Do elementalists realy get faceroled by every thief they encounter? rofl It has to be since Thief is sooooo OP.

I play s/p build, bs is not playstyle.
I find bunker warrior way better tank than necro… but that me.
I never did that combo on anyone since i dont play bs build. It was dont to me when i was playing ele. I was running and before i could realise i was under attack i was downed. Didnt even get a chance to move my finger to mist form keybind.
Why should i even bother finding proof for you when everyone knows the burst thiefs do? Unless you are implying people are photoshoping numbers into combat logs? As for arguments.. yours consist in its entirety out of denying what i write.
Try playing an ele and than speak. Thief simply has to screw up for ele to win. And even than its near impossible to catch a thief to kill him.

Keywords:
“I never did that combo”
“before i could realise”
“why should i even bother finding proof”
“everyone knows”

Your own argument invalidates itself man…

/facepalm

Are you trying to say that thief backstab is OP, despite having no evidence, never trying it yourself, and only when you’re not paying attention or reacting?? O_o

I easily do 20k dmg on non tanky cloth by pressing 1 button that i can spam.

Oh, really? I’d love to know which button that is. Must be some sort of dev client, because I don’t have any spammable buttons that do anywhere near that.

bwillb.2165:

I easily do 20k dmg on non tanky cloth by pressing 1 button that i can spam.

Oh, really? I’d love to know which button that is. Must be some sort of dev client, because I don’t have any spammable buttons that do anywhere near that.

We all do, on any profession, with any weapon set. He didn’t say how much time that damage was done in…

Even a full defensive spec/geared character can do 20k damage by spamming one skill, eventually. He is just stating the obvious and trying to make it sound like it means something… which it doesn’t.

Unreal…
http://d.pr/i/QWjY – on guardian
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/19749/gw007.jpg
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/19745/gw009.jpg
Took me 1min to find those and i wont dedicate 1s more to find what EVERYONE knows already but you refuse to. Even if you account in for signet nerf the numbers are right where i said my ele was hit for.
And i never bothered with d/d builds since i dont like the playstyle. Tried it while lvling but thats it.

@bwillb
Its called pistol whip. Last hit on it can easily crit for 9-10k. On uplvled champs it went as high as 15k (dont recall if i activated signet at that time). Combined dmg can easily go up to 20k. All that by pressing #3 once. And yes, it is spammable; with haste its just kitten It also has a built in evade. And if kitten hits the fan just press #2 and you are back where you started reseting the fight. However with proper signet and food that heals on crit you wont have a need to reset fights often.

Bond.4813:

Unreal…
http://d.pr/i/QWjY – on guardian
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/19749/gw007.jpg
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/19745/gw009.jpg
Took me 1min to find those and i wont dedicate 1s more to find what EVERYONE knows already but you refuse to. Even if you account in for signet nerf the numbers are right where i said my ele was hit for.
And i never bothered with d/d builds since i dont like the playstyle. Tried it while lvling but thats it.

@bwillb
Its called pistol whip. Last hit on it can easily crit for 9-10k. On uplvled champs it went as high as 15k (dont recall if i activated signet at that time). Combined dmg can easily go up to 20k. All that by pressing #3 once. And yes, it is spammable; with haste its just kitten It also has a built in evade. And if kitten hits the fan just press #2 and you are back where you started reseting the fight. However with proper signet and food that heals on crit you wont have a need to reset fights often.

Those screenshots are outdated. They are from patches ago, both used pre nerf signet, and had orb bonus. They were also against poorly geared characters, you can tell in that last one especially based on the lightning strike damage that the dead ehmry bay dude had less than basic armor.

If I really wanted to, I could create a situation where I kill my target with 10-15k auto attacks with a necro, then post screenshots of that… claiming necros are OP as hell.

Alls I’d need is a willing partner to stack vulnerability up to 25 on my willing warrior target whos in lvl 0 white gear during a frenzy. kitten’d be cray.

Why would I? I wouldn’t. Because I don’t have some crazy vendetta or agenda.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Backstab-time-to-nerf/first
12 pages of examples.
And i did say they are prenerf examples. However when you factor in nerf the numbers drop right about where i said the dmg was done on my ele. Thats on 1 hit. With 4 other hits it same just spread out. My problem is the damage done is still so kitten high in first few hits it easily surpasses total hp of my ele. Even if i survive initial burst im at around 20% hp and hs spam easily finishes that even through healing (if i even manage to get heal off). And i am no noob to playing ele. I fight to the end but i very well know when i have no chance at all to turn the fight.
And as a thief its just lol easy for me. I really NEVER back away from 1vs1 fights ever and i have a high chance at winning all those fights in few sec (vs other thieves its a lottery).
As an ele… if its mesmer or thief i run 90% and regret fighting other 10%. Vs other classes its a kitten hard fight that can last for several minutes (my record is around 30min). And this is why i switched to thief. Easy way to colect badges.

I dont know how you guys can continue argueing when every other word is changed to “kitten” :P for the record.. i dont actually care if bs is nerfed or whatever. i just dont like the implication that because i decided to play this class im somehow immoral or cheap.

Bond.4813:

@bwillb
Its called pistol whip. Last hit on it can easily crit for 9-10k. On uplvled champs it went as high as 15k (dont recall if i activated signet at that time). Combined dmg can easily go up to 20k. All that by pressing #3 once. And yes, it is spammable; with haste its just kitten It also has a built in evade. And if kitten hits the fan just press #2 and you are back where you started reseting the fight. However with proper signet and food that heals on crit you wont have a need to reset fights often.

I don’t think you understand how multi-hit attacks work… the last damage number to pop up IS the combined damage. The damage pop-ups are a running total, not the damage of each hit. The last hit on pistol whip does about the same damage as the first. The skill does 1,026 base damage spread over 9 strikes. The damage per strike fluctuates a bit, though because it’s actually nine separate strikes of (1,026/9) damage, which then takes in the random factor of weapon damage ranges.

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

A great song, well done Gintoki,

As for WvW the crit damage is the problem…. 114% is insane, but balance should not be done through WvW, and the ability to down you in 2 seconds is not only reserved to thiefs.

wait… how do you reach 114% crt dmg? O.o
I can only reach 104%…

fun song appreciate it!

@bwilb
Than i apologise. Made serious mistake. 10k dmg per full whip than.

@Kuroin
Foods give crit dmg buffs.

You’ve made my day better… Thanks