Guild Wars 2

Dustfinger.9510:

Faeyd.5094:

Also, a nice way to unwind is to run a signet burn D/D build and 2/2/2 them as much as they do you. You should see some of the whispers you get.

yes! Show bads why they need to learn to play. This is the answer. Not calling for nerfs to whole classes. This just proves that the ability to bad-spam one skill isn’t just for theives.

What is this Signet Burn build? I’d like to unwind one of these days.

To OP:
Seriously, if you’re having trouble as a necro against thieves who 222222 all day, I think there’s something wrong with your build. If you’re a thief and you have trouble against other thieves who 222222 all day, then there’s something wrong with your build, or how you’re playing thief. I think blind is a hard counter to this problem, which isn’t a problem in the first place.

Honestly, I’ve run into a handful of these in my short time PvPing, and I still need to L2P, but if I see one, I hit 5, and watch them jump around, or I stealth myself. I get impatient when it’s another D/P class and want to burst his face, mostly because I’m scared of his teammates coming, but that’s another problem entirely.

klemen.8439:

evilapprentice.6379:

There is no Perma-stealth anymore via BP and HS. I am unsure how you could be unaware of that while feeling you’re qualified to suggest changes to D/P, especially as a thief player.

Let bad thieves spam 2 – there are bad players of every class – the solution isn’t to fix what isn’t broke.

You can still perma-stealth but with combination of utilities and traits that you have to risk. Only thing you can’t do now is spam HS 4 times in an open field through one smoke field but you can still do it many times while facing a wall. The perma-stealth still remains WvW issue if used by a good thief.

And my point is not just saying that HS is somewhat OP. My main point I’m trying to get through is that Guild Wars should be about skill chains and diversity among weapons and utilities, not this monotone 99% bullkitten.

Actually, what you describe is a well known thing in game design, and sometimes intentional. You need to have some low skill builds that are effective, but not so effective that higher skilled players don’t have an easy time countering them.

New/inexperienced players will gravitate towards the low skill builds, and have fun with them because they get some wins over other low skilled players.

Highly skilled players who look down on those with less experience/skill, should take a step back and think about what they are saying. You really want the game to only be fun for your skill level? That’s happened before fyi, and those games die fast deaths.

Thieves are binary; very good, or very bad. That’s the nature of initiative; imagine a class that could use all of their cooldowns in 2 seconds without being able to weapon swap for fresh cooldowns? That’s the thief.

snacktime.1082:

Highly skilled players who look down on those with less experience/skill, should take a step back and think about what they are saying. You really want the game to only be fun for your skill level? That’s happened before fyi, and those games die fast deaths.

Speaking from experience, why is Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 still a game that everyone gravitates towards, even though the game’s flawed, random, and has a lower skill cap than a game like, Virtua Fighter with its deep gameplay, punishes you for mistakes, and is overall totally balanced where tiers are so close together?

Because UMvC3 has the ability to let new players in with broken teams that are easy to play. A bad player vs. a bad player w/ these teams will net a ton of wins, with people crying for nerfs and OPness. A good player will blow through these teams. Also, VF has no one playing it anymore despite it being the most balanced game ever.

Same reason why people (Americans) like to watch Football over Golf. I’m sure Golf requires a ton of skill and conditioning. Football is like the 25/30/0/0/15 builds. Fast, fun, exciting, and nets you kills.

I’m sure my logic is flawed somewhere in there, but the idea still stands that, let the bad players play bad. If they don’t learn, it’s up to the good players like us to teach them a lesson.

Lamuness.3570:

Speaking from experience, why is Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 still a game that everyone gravitates towards, even though the game’s flawed, random, and has a lower skill cap than a game like, Virtua Fighter with its deep gameplay, punishes you for mistakes, and is overall totally balanced where tiers are so close together?

Because UMvC3 has the ability to let new players in with broken teams that are easy to play. A bad player vs. a bad player w/ these teams will net a ton of wins, with people crying for nerfs and OPness. A good player will blow through these teams. Also, VF has no one playing it anymore despite it being the most balanced game ever.

I like this post, probably because I’m nuts for Marvel vs Capcom – but I remember
a couple of years back anchor Wesker was indomitable, now the true mercenaries run Vergil – but every other week I’ll tune-in to a tourny stream and some cat will be crushing people with Rocket Raccoon or Shuma.

It’s not remotely balanced, but it’s thrilling – and pulls better Twitch numbers than GW2 (just saying…).

For the OP? Once a guy gets below 50% nothing wrong with a bit of 2 spam – can’t argue with the numbers – it gets the job done.

Way back, 2 spam really was for noob Thieves – because 4 spam was far better – that Dancing Dagger… really tore kitten up, I’d post-up on a point, drop Caltrops – 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4 – whole teams dropping like flies.

Things changed for Thieves – but the spam remains the same.

Wow, the OP has no clue what he’s talking about…

Learn to dodge maybe or interrupt thieves before stealthing?

Lamuness.3570:

Dustfinger.9510:

Faeyd.5094:

Also, a nice way to unwind is to run a signet burn D/D build and 2/2/2 them as much as they do you. You should see some of the whispers you get.

yes! Show bads why they need to learn to play. This is the answer. Not calling for nerfs to whole classes. This just proves that the ability to bad-spam one skill isn’t just for theives.

What is this Signet Burn build? I’d like to unwind one of these days.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQJAoYlUmCO3cy4E/5Ex2DfKUe6fgs6MoZLB-ToAg0CnIQShkDJDSSksINKYSB

Complaining about thiefs in wvw after all the nerfs is a joke. You are just bad.

Skinnie.4825:

Complaining about thiefs in wvw after all the nerfs is a joke. You are just bad.

Complaining about Bush after he’s no longer president is the same thing, but people still do it.

May be, but Bush had a lasting effect on them and society in general – thief before the nerfs has not.

frans.8092:

May be, but Bush had a lasting effect on them and society in general – thief before the nerfs has not.

The mentality that thieves are still OP lasted though, as shown by the constant rain of QQ we see each week.

Sadly enough, that is true, and it will probably persist even after the last thief was stomped.

Skinnie.4825:

Complaining about thiefs in wvw after all the nerfs is a joke. You are just bad.

Noone is complaining about them being OP in WvW, I just brought up WvW due to perma stealth problem. Afterall, Guild Wars was supposed to be all about class balance (thus why they don’t include class roles like healer, tank and dpser to a specific class but to everyone instead), but that “balance” is turning into something that is not understandable to me.
Look at WoW, 10 year old MMO that’s still bigger than Guild Wars and is considered one of best MMOs and is also a template to 90% of MMOs that come out every year. I don’t remember them ever putting in a class with highest DPS with permanent invisibility to everyone else (Some MMOs solved this issue for high DPS/low armor classes by implementing “evasiveness” stats to armor), nor do you see a class with HIGHEST base stats (vitality, toughness, power, precision) along with HIGHEST amount of CC skills combined with HIGHEST amount of survivability skills (invulnerability to damage, conditions, cc) aka. Warrior – if played with meta build, warrior is atm. OP buttonmasher.

So as my last reply to them all, I don’t see why you all don’t see this … I know everyone has his own opinions but a skill that deals 6-8k damage with each hit and requires next to nothing to spam it constantly and during the spam it also acts as an aimbot is still pretty much OP to me. And I always see you crying about how thief is getting nerfed but wait a second, Ranger hasn’t got a single good thing since the beta imho, yes, it’s the class called ranger and is better to be played with melee weapons – Logic ftw!

And saying “nerf it all then” or things like that is stupid, it’s not my intention at least. My intention is to point out a problem that I find “problematic” and call it out, wait to see if Anet takes it into consideration or not. It’s like in GW1, it had 10 times bigger build community which was always working towards the meta and the OPs always got nerfed the next week so what now? You moved on and searched for new meta. In GW2? Meh, Warrior with highest stats and CC was able to play with OP build for few months straight because you know … major trait changes come every 3 months or so.

klemen.8439:

… I know everyone has his own opinions but a skill that deals 6-8k damage with each hit and requires next to nothing to spam it constantly and during the spam it also acts as an aimbot is still pretty much OP to me. .

We don’t have such a skill. If you are talking about Heartseeker, it will only hit that hard when the target is below 25% health, and then it should usually be enough to down them, which is the intended use (4 * 6k = 24k full health target). There is no spam.
It is also a gap closer, you can use it to get into melee range of your target, when they are above 50% health it will hit for about 2k, same as some autoattacks.

This is why the #1 piece of advice in these types of threads is to play the class. If HS worked the way alot of people who don’t play thieves thinks it does, then we’d see alot more thieves destroying people rather than having to run off in order to survive.

Chicago Jack.5647:

it is commonly known that shadowshot outpreforms heartseeker in every way possible.

Dustfinger.9510:

This is why the #1 piece of advice in these types of threads is to play the class. If HS worked the way alot of people who don’t play thieves thinks it does, then we’d see alot more thieves destroying people rather than having to run off in order to survive.

I know I said I wouldn’t reply anymore but I’ll make an exception because you’re judging something you haven’t read. I play all classes (except engi) on level 80, be it PvE, PvP or WvW – Some people may say you’re better if you focus to 1 class rather than to them all but I say you’re better if you know them all.

So please, stop with the crap like what you said.

klemen.8439:

Dustfinger.9510:

This is why the #1 piece of advice in these types of threads is to play the class. If HS worked the way alot of people who don’t play thieves thinks it does, then we’d see alot more thieves destroying people rather than having to run off in order to survive.

I know I said I wouldn’t reply anymore but I’ll make an exception because you’re judging something you haven’t read. I play all classes (except engi) on level 80, be it PvE, PvP or WvW – Some people may say you’re better if you focus to 1 class rather than to them all but I say you’re better if you know them all.

So please, stop with the crap like what you said.

“a skill that deals 6-8k damage with each hit and requires next to nothing to spam it constantly and during the spam it also acts as an aimbot is still pretty much OP to me.”

If you play the class and still say things like this, it isn’t to your credit.