Guild Wars 2

Hiho!

My attempt for a thief build that doesn´t rely on stealth. So much fun to play!

Build in the video discription.

Best regards!

I’m sorry I can’t do it. If I have a dagger off hand it will be used :/. You should kill Columba now and see what he says should be nerfed about us this time though.

I use stealth … love the daze. :-)
But i don´t rely on it to stay alive.
Who is Columba?^^

omg you took on a group of people and survived (mostly) while visible! hax! No one can fight a group and use defensive skills to survive unless their hacking or using an OP move!

And you fought stealth thief’s and actually shot aoe’s and such at where they would be while stealthed using intelligent prediction! you sir are a witch!

In seriousness, good show, though you’ve sort of kitten the class to those that think stealth is somehow instant killing their firstborns as now its not just stealth that makes thieves overpowered but all of it!

I don’t use stealth in my normal gameplay any more. The only time I do is Shadow Refuge in dungeons to drop agro so our Guardian can tank again.

Not much dif from venom share, do not count :o.
Stealthless Traps are where it’s at hombre.

Shinobi.3240:

I use stealth … love the daze. :-)
But i don´t rely on it to stay alive.
Who is Columba?^^

Columba is an annoying ranger that cant play the game properly so he blames the thieves. And stealth.

Hmm a stealthless trap build … sounds interesting … never used traps because they were bugged … i will give it a shot. Thx!

Eduardo.4675:

Shinobi.3240:

I use stealth … love the daze. :-)
But i don´t rely on it to stay alive.
Who is Columba?^^

Columba is an annoying ranger that cant play the game properly so he blames the thieves. And stealth.

Rangers are always annoying. XD
It´s in their nature.
Don´t be to harsh to them. ^^

Let me think. Build without stealth.

The build in the video is uber-kiting shortbow, which is actually a pretty kittening good idea—probably the way to go. A similar effect might be achieved with pistols, except not, because we can pretty clearly see the power of the cripple spam. Maybe try it with dodgetrops? And you’ve got the blind, too.

Nah. You’d get your kittenhole wrecked.

I’m halfway through and the guy doesn’t USE his sword/dagger in the video, but that was my next idea. With truly absurd skill, Flanking Strikes could achieve a similar effect to the dodge on Death Blossom spam, and if the kittens are looking ugly with stuff you can’t dodge, hit Shadow Return or Withdraw.

Now that we’re talking about Withdraw and maybe Signet of Agility and whatever instead of stealth, we’re talking about really making the most of the Thief’s mobility. Between Withdraw and Shadow Return we have some pretty cool “gtfo” abilities. Add dodgetrops and Roll For Initiative and we have way more kiting than other people are gonna have gap closers for. Not that you’re gonna accomplish much by kiting—maybe you might do it while waiting for your distance closer?

Either way I am not a fan of the “deepzy” venoms that this video uses. Scorpion Wire? A trap or two?

If we let go of our self-imposed vow of “never stealth ever” and just consider this a build that doesn’t rely on stealth like other builds do, then we get access to Tactical Strike which is pretty rad.

This is of course me thinking as a “fresh 80” with no real knoweledge of what’s nerfed, what’s OP, and what’s just screwed by the meta. But it’s an interesting subject because stealth really does not HAVE to be the main trick the Thief has…

At least in theory, if GW were super balanced.

Pretty nice. altho i play a slightly different build w/ S/P and SB as weapons (since prelaunch). Not a fan of the shadow arts traits and SB shouldn’t be your main dmg dealer imo. Having 2 poison utilities over did it imo. I’d prefer just 1 poison utility if i decide to gear it. But nice vid man, glad to see there are others who are experimenting w/ non stealth builds.

Cool video. I see you mostly use SB to kite and attack. I don’t really see the value of S/D as your secondary though. Given how you are playing, I’d probably use S/P instead.

Thx for the feedback!

@style: You are right, in this video i use only shortbow. I will record another one where i use S/D if i get the right opponents. I like to use S/Ds flanking strike for buff removal on bunkers, i soften them up so my teammates can kill them easier.
I tried S/P but i don´t like it that much.

Best regards!

Another good stealthless build is condition based D/D – D/D, 0/0/0/30/30 evade tank build with dodge trops, init regen, init on swap, evade spam and init/vigor heals etc. Just DeathBlossom the crap out of stuff with sig of malice, roll for init, trops, shadowstep.

I thought Columba played a guardian? Will watch this when I get home

Hello again!

Changed my build a little bit and made a new Video.
So much fun … nom nom nom … Warrior Tears inside. ;-)

Build:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-cF3V;1Vw-d0Y5R-Fd0;9;6JTJ;418-27946-57X7;2IBl3IBl36NR

(Video is ready in 10 Minutes)

This Time with a little more Sword/Dagger gameplay.

Hope you like it. Constructive feedback is always welcome.

Best Regards!

Funny thing, I was disappointed with stealth from the start and rarley use it, even less so now since there is no way to drop aggro with it anymore ( which I had fun doing).

Kinda cool to see other people not using it much too.