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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.
Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

I’ll post the build up here the armor might change based on the answer if any1 know, i chose Clerics, but if it doesn’t Aphothecary might do:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZUQRAsY4YnMJCFNhNNBWOB8PhDniyPCrw5xDgCYA6dwSmBA-TBSAABacSAkUJYZK/aa/BD1PAwRAYU1fS4BAAA-e

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Posted by: assassin.7895

assassin.7895

what’s the point of that build?

low dps, bad tank, little utility

terrible

0/10

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

gee, nvr remember saying it was a good build, nvr said it should be run, nvr said anything about the utility, nvr said anything about it ability to tank, and nvr said anything about it dps, so why u are saying something like that totally confounds me.

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Posted by: Mirage.6754

Mirage.6754

Life Steal still scales with Power, afaik… and not with Healing Power.
However, that build has lot of big weaknesses, as “assassin.7895” said.

Sword/Dagger would be useful for the Blue guardian in raids, to steal its boon (don’t spam it! Only use it to steal the boon!). However, you have no crit. chance nor crit. damage, making your Direct Damage less than optimal, not even speaking of traits.

Your second weapon set is suboptimal too: you are using D/D, which is used a lot for condition damage builds (I suggest D/P if you wish to use Dagger mainhand as a power build, using your Heartseeker from Pistol#5 to gain Stealth).

For a supporty thief, you could use another Weapon Sigil instead of weakness duration, as in raids, Weakness only works on Seekers (not even sure about that); the bosses ignore it and it is negligible in a Break-Bar scenario.

Biggest offender to me is the Trickery GM; you have 0 condition damage, yet take a condi-damage trait. They’ve recently changed the scaling of damaging conditions for them to be almost 100% useless unless having condition damage in your gear; therefore, that trait is useless.
(Also, take Swindler’s equilibrium instead of Guarded Initiation…by all means…you’re using a sword.)

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Posted by: Kallist.5917

Kallist.5917

Op, here’s my support load-out. Generally when I’m playing with my friends, I’ll run this while I watch everyones HP, if I see someone in trouble, I can usually keep them up fairly easily.
The bow is the healing tool, it’s how you’ll keep your allies up. The Pistol Dagger is your ranged damage dumper, so you can keep the conditions going while not having to worry about dying watching out for everyone else. Feel free to toy with it or whatever, it’s by no means perfect.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZQQNAqYVnMJCFNhNNBePBsPhFZCjLH0D2BzbwQYJUbPNFCAA-TRTAQBa4QAER1fogZgodCA8y+Apz0TGV+tuFGCoeAHpEcaHBAA8AA8nmASBAzyK-e

(edited by Kallist.5917)

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Posted by: Zodryn.4216

Zodryn.4216

gee, nvr remember saying it was a good build, nvr said it should be run, nvr said anything about the utility, nvr said anything about it ability to tank, and nvr said anything about it dps, so why u are saying something like that totally confounds me.

If you have no utility, can’t tank, and have low dps, you will actually be a detriment to your group (miss enrage timer, die a lot requiring revive, and provide nothing to teammates). That’s why he responded that way. Take this build anywhere you like, but don’t take it to a raid.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

gee, nvr remember saying it was a good build, nvr said it should be run, nvr said anything about the utility, nvr said anything about it ability to tank, and nvr said anything about it dps, so why u are saying something like that totally confounds me.

If you have no utility, can’t tank, and have low dps, you will actually be a detriment to your group (miss enrage timer, die a lot requiring revive, and provide nothing to teammates). That’s why he responded that way. Take this build anywhere you like, but don’t take it to a raid.

That’s exactly how I picture an ArenaNet’s Thief raid build. No other use other than sharing venom.

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Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

okay let i nvr said the build had any use i was an old build i use on my 1st toon like 2 years ago when i didn’t know anything really about the game, so talking about the use or utility of the build is kinda pointless. I only used d/d as a swap because of condition which i know i have none of it but if i use d/d if i have Aphothecary which would be better condition wise, but i’m not getting anything out it if i use Aphothecary because of Life Steal still power focus and not healing power focus Clerics is still my best chose in the matter, other than going to Zelots which has the precision, then i would go with pistols or bow, bow has the more move-ability. And for this to work i would have to be in clerics or something Healing power main to get the healing, because if i’m understanding the how it works it that healing power is a part of Life Steal.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

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Posted by: EazyPanda.6419

EazyPanda.6419

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Slightly off topic, but you know Zealots are like, 26g+ per inscription/insignia right?
That’s a lot of money for a sub -optimal build.

So your idea is to provide healing support for the party? I don’t know…
Here’s my 2-cents:

Spider and skale venom seems pretty useless in a non-condi build.

Without Ferocity, our power damage will be pretty darn low. So our DPS will undoubtedly be crap.

Uncatchable over Thrill of the crime (party support) or Flanking Strikes (DPS)? You lost me there. You have no condi dmg, why would you need caltrops on dodge?

I see you are taking Invigorating Precision over No Quarter, I’m guessing you are not focusing on DPS…. so you plan on out living the boss? But if that’s the case… No toughness or Vitality? You’ll still be squishy and get one-shot without any chance of healing yourself if you make a slight mistake. Healing Power doesn’t mitigate damage.

Sorry for saying this, but other classes such as ele and druid can provide heals much better then us, and can grant boons to other party members. Sure the lifesteal and healing is decent if you spec for healing power, but we lack access to any other boons for our party besides a few might stacks (might stacks are cheap in raids).


I see where you are going with this build, you want to be a healer that can deal “some” damage. If that’s the case, I’ll recommend Apothecary’s gear instead of Zealots (Healing power main, Condi Dmg and Toughness Sub). It synergises better with the venoms you are using.

I’ll also drop Critical Strikes for Deadly arts and swap to dagger/dagger.

I’d also recommend daredevil for the damage boost from lotus training and the extra dodge, and extra condis, but losing some party support and boon stripping.

However, I don’t think healer thief will ever be a thing. =/ Sorry.
I’d rather focus on Power+Condi Dmg of Vipers, or Full Power of Berserkers.

Cheers and happy theory crafting~

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Interesting take on Venom Share.

So you choose to have high Power so that your own DPS will remain high while providing party-wide DPS thru life steal via venom share.

To be honest, that’s very clever and I’m very interested in how this will work out. It looks very solid. You should try No Quarters instead of Invigorating Precision for more DPS. The life steal will be enough of sustain.

You’ve tickled my curiosity. good job.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

The true is the build is not about the Venous, it is about the heal. Yea, the build doesn’t focus on condie dmg but in retrospect i’ve got 4 heals that share to everyone else. So 2 thing happen:
1, i gain a lot of Health and i have my health rather high in long antiquated battles, like the battle with Sparky, which i can be of help at Blue Sparky.
2, with the Venomous Aura, the dmg, if i remember, the power is apply individually, so with each person with the Aura gets a heal based off their Power and my Healing Power, and unless we get a stat set that give us, Power, HP, Condition Dmg, and Pre, you are left with very little option on the gear set to use, to maximizes the effect, by sacrificing Condition Dmg.

I’m not a thief main, i’m an Ele main, and i’m not into conventional build because every1 run 1 or similar builds. I’m not a saying i’m an expert Build maker

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Interesting take on Venom Share.

So you choose to have high Power so that your own DPS will remain high while providing party-wide DPS thru life steal via venom share.

To be honest, that’s very clever and I’m very interested in how this will work out. It looks very solid. You should try No Quarters instead of Invigorating Precision for more DPS. The life steal will be enough of sustain.

You’ve tickled my curiosity. good job.

Thx

I also do thing that thief might work as a sort of tank but more as a Agi Tank, which here is kind hard because of the constant dodging and Spamming skills you mostlikely will have to do. But if i did that i most-likely would have DD, but i’m not familiar with all of Thief’s evade skills, i know that S/D 3 has a evade, but i only know that because i used that for daily dodge.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Interesting take on Venom Share.

So you choose to have high Power so that your own DPS will remain high while providing party-wide DPS thru life steal via venom share.

To be honest, that’s very clever and I’m very interested in how this will work out. It looks very solid. You should try No Quarters instead of Invigorating Precision for more DPS. The life steal will be enough of sustain.

You’ve tickled my curiosity. good job.

Thx

I also do thing that thief might work as a sort of tank but more as a Agi Tank, which here is kind hard because of the constant dodging and Spamming skills you mostlikely will have to do. But if i did that i most-likely would have DD, but i’m not familiar with all of Thief’s evade skills, i know that S/D 3 has a evade, but i only know that because i used that for daily dodge.

If you have this build before HoT, it may not work. But ever since they made the extra venom tick baseline and reduced their CD, I can see your build as a party support. Since this kind of build is new to me, I can’t really comment on how well it will do, but I can see the potential.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Interesting take on Venom Share.

So you choose to have high Power so that your own DPS will remain high while providing party-wide DPS thru life steal via venom share.

To be honest, that’s very clever and I’m very interested in how this will work out. It looks very solid. You should try No Quarters instead of Invigorating Precision for more DPS. The life steal will be enough of sustain.

You’ve tickled my curiosity. good job.

Thx

I also do thing that thief might work as a sort of tank but more as a Agi Tank, which here is kind hard because of the constant dodging and Spamming skills you mostlikely will have to do. But if i did that i most-likely would have DD, but i’m not familiar with all of Thief’s evade skills, i know that S/D 3 has a evade, but i only know that because i used that for daily dodge.

If you have this build before HoT, it may not work. But ever since they made the extra venom tick baseline and reduced their CD, I can see your build as a party support. Since this kind of build is new to me, I can’t really comment on how well it will do, but I can see the potential.

The 1st build would be an update of the build to the new system, i was using when i first started, whether it’s is good or not i used it, the second build is what i can come up with with the armor and the traits, that i think might work the best for the build
I really just did this, with some of the knowledge that i have now with the game. But, I do think the real trick to raids is to support your allies, and not DPSing or high DMG (to me their is a difference).

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Interesting take on Venom Share.

So you choose to have high Power so that your own DPS will remain high while providing party-wide DPS thru life steal via venom share.

To be honest, that’s very clever and I’m very interested in how this will work out. It looks very solid. You should try No Quarters instead of Invigorating Precision for more DPS. The life steal will be enough of sustain.

You’ve tickled my curiosity. good job.

Thx

I also do thing that thief might work as a sort of tank but more as a Agi Tank, which here is kind hard because of the constant dodging and Spamming skills you mostlikely will have to do. But if i did that i most-likely would have DD, but i’m not familiar with all of Thief’s evade skills, i know that S/D 3 has a evade, but i only know that because i used that for daily dodge.

If you have this build before HoT, it may not work. But ever since they made the extra venom tick baseline and reduced their CD, I can see your build as a party support. Since this kind of build is new to me, I can’t really comment on how well it will do, but I can see the potential.

The 1st build would be an update of the build to the new system, i was using when i first started, whether it’s is good or not i used it, the second build is what i can come up with with the armor and the traits, that i think might work the best for the build
I really just did this, with some of the knowledge that i have now with the game. But, I do think the real trick to raids is to support your allies, and not DPSing or high DMG (to me their is a difference).

Looking at your 2nd build, it seems like you can do both dps and support just fine.

One area of concern is the low toughness but if you know what you’re doing, I think you would be ok.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Mahuyo.3079

Mahuyo.3079

Okay, so I’m thing about taking my Thief in to raids and maybe try a build that i used when i started. It is a Venom build kinda made to be more like a Vampire build.

First of all this needs to be updated. Whatever build you used to run with may no longer work. One particular change you may not be aware of is that venom now checks for your stats, so having no condition damage will result in sharing weak venoms.

Now the Question is that Venomous Aura give u life steal, now i have not done this i a while, does life steal still have a base on power or is it solely on Healing Power.

Damage is based on your power and healing is based on your healing power.

Thank you

I do know that the build would need to be updated, that is the basic plan of Theory Crafting. But, for me to some how put this thought into practice i would have to update it to today’s standards which is what is there, and that is what i’m looking at right now. I knew Healing Power was a part of the equation, the thing i was not sure about was whether or not Power was part of the equation still. I just made another build which is more of what I’m might play in the raids.

But I will note this is not a be-all-end-all for the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVnMJCFNhNNBmOB8PhjniyHCpwLwPyBIA2DZj9dA-TRCBABXcCAeUJY07PwqyPAOEAoqPQV1f2/BAEwRAAA-e

Interesting take on Venom Share.

So you choose to have high Power so that your own DPS will remain high while providing party-wide DPS thru life steal via venom share.

To be honest, that’s very clever and I’m very interested in how this will work out. It looks very solid. You should try No Quarters instead of Invigorating Precision for more DPS. The life steal will be enough of sustain.

You’ve tickled my curiosity. good job.

Thx

I also do thing that thief might work as a sort of tank but more as a Agi Tank, which here is kind hard because of the constant dodging and Spamming skills you mostlikely will have to do. But if i did that i most-likely would have DD, but i’m not familiar with all of Thief’s evade skills, i know that S/D 3 has a evade, but i only know that because i used that for daily dodge.

If you have this build before HoT, it may not work. But ever since they made the extra venom tick baseline and reduced their CD, I can see your build as a party support. Since this kind of build is new to me, I can’t really comment on how well it will do, but I can see the potential.

The 1st build would be an update of the build to the new system, i was using when i first started, whether it’s is good or not i used it, the second build is what i can come up with with the armor and the traits, that i think might work the best for the build
I really just did this, with some of the knowledge that i have now with the game. But, I do think the real trick to raids is to support your allies, and not DPSing or high DMG (to me their is a difference).

Looking at your 2nd build, it seems like you can do both dps and support just fine.

One area of concern is the low toughness but if you know what you’re doing, I think you would be ok.

yea it was a kind of reason why I kinda itching with the Zelot’s Gear