[Video]New meta: no OffHand (Episode II)

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Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF9fKnmhYiY&index=1&list=UU4geCdHVnYcqw-n1rR_De_w

DISCLAIMER: I consider myself to be an average player. The Thief class is really strong, and a wise use of your skills and dodges can usually ensure a win even if you are handicapped.

So, after the “sucess” – considering that I’m pretty much a no one in terms of popularity, I consider it a success – of my first video, in which I showed you only need a single Dagger (be it Main Hand or Off Hand only) to beat people, I decided to make a second one.

In the first “episode”, some people argued that I got carried by Shadow Rejuvenation and Hidden Killer to beat my enemies. That was very true: those traits are indeed powerful, and can easily carry you in 1v1 situations against certain builds. But let’s not talk about these traits, as much as been said already and this is not the place to discuss this. You can find the link to the “first episode” here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Video-New-meta-no-OffHand-for-poor-people/first#post3885340

This time, I won’t show that garbage. The video you’re about to see contains the following:
-1v1 vs a Shatter Mesmer, using only a Sword;
-1v1 vs a DP thief, using only a Sword;
-1v1 vs a Shatter Mesmer, using only a Pistol;
-1v1 vs a PD condi Thief, using only a Dagger (Shortbow);
-1v1 vs a condi Engi, using only a Sword(
Shortbow, to destroy Supply Crate);
-1v1 vs a PU condi Mesmer, using only a Sword;
-1v1 vs a DP thief, using only a Pistol (+Shortbow).

The build I used was the same for every fight, and it’s the following:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAcVl0Mp7pVOx0J8PNBNB5dY+SZ0LA9Gl+C-TFTDABsoJ4gjAAjqFkwjA4JlXWqCxLqqAlSEQ0BsgSQe2fAATQBAQAc0GtRzO35Ov5NTGgqJA-w
Utilities were swapped depending on which weapon I used (I often slotted in Blinding Powder or Shadow Trap). For the PvP version of it, I use Zerker Amulet. Food was used rarely because it’s darn expensive for me, but I slotted it anyway.

If you have any tips/suggestions/requests to give me, feel free to do so. I’ll gladly appreciate any advice, both on my gameplay and on the video. Also, if you’d like to see a fight using only a certain weapon against a certain build, please do tell me! I am always struggling as to which clips to insert in a video.

Below you will find a FAQ, in which I answer those questions that I was asked the last time I did this (either in public or through PM).

FAQ:

Q: Hey you’re great, can you give me some tips?
A: I’m not great, but I could surely help you if you need it. Feel free to PM me in game.

Q: The players you faced were awful! They never landed a single burst on you, what noobs!
A: It’s always easy to say that when you spectate. I know how to fight any build and I know what to look out for. Some players surely made some “Decision Making” mistakes, but in some situations they simply got outplayed.

Q: You only post your wins. How many times have you been beaten by those guys?
A: To be fair, I’ve fought all the WvW opponents featured in the video many times, with pretty much every weapon. Out of all these times, my win rate against every single one of them is close to 80%. The only fights you can argue about a “lucky win” are the sPvP ones. The one against the DP thief especially, as he is a great player (he regularly beats Sizer in those arenas). The night I recorded that fight, we fought 4 times. I won twice (one as Pistol only, the other as zerk P/D) and lost twice (one as Pistol only, another as Sword only).

Q: What’s with that Asura?
A: That is a character of my alt account. I usually play with that in PvP because I’m amassing Tomes of Knowledge there.

Q: What’s your PvP rank?
A: My PvP rank is 45. I don’t play PvP much and I’m terrible at it. I may know how to handle a fight, but when I have to look at the big picture (map awareness and all that stuff) I’m a complete noob.

Q: What happened to your Norn thief? I’m sick of that underboobs!
A: My Norn thief is still there, but sadly I don’t use her anymore. When ANet released the new hairstyles, I had to make a Human one who looks like Kasumi (from Dead or Alive).

Q: What server are you on?
A: I moved to Desolation a few weeks ago.

Q: Can you 1vX with those builds?
A: Actually I never tried. I can for sure say that I could not win a 1vX against any combination of the players featured in the video. The outcome of a 1vX hugely depends not on how good you are, but rather on how bad your opponents are. Sometimes I could kill myself IRL for the things that some players do. Also, I barely roam anymore, so it is unlikely that I will be going to post 1vX fights with only one weapon.

Q: I loved the video, will you post more?
A: Depending on how well this will do, I may decide to make another one. I do have some footage already, but I try not to make my videos too long, while trying to show as many fights as possible.

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gg and finally original video from thief

i know you and you are not average player

as you and the community see, out dodge and out stealth pretty much determine the outcome of any fight. pls show video against d/d ele and warrior and guardian too

and why you never use the #3 skill and why the hell there are #3 at all in one hand weapon as no one use them at all in any situation

the condi engi should had you imo

(also moved to deso so pm we can roam)

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haha, awesome, AGAIN.

But Deso? Really? Did you miss the queue and the 24/7 superblobs?

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Yo, I took the liberty of sending you some gold for food check your mail, can not let a fellow thief starve, you know…

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Posted by: hihey.1075

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gg and finally original video from thief

i know you and you are not average player

as you and the community see, out dodge and out stealth pretty much determine the outcome of any fight. pls show video against d/d ele and warrior and guardian too

and why you never use the #3 skill and why the hell there are #3 at all in one hand weapon as no one use them at all in any situation

the condi engi should had you imo

(also moved to deso so pm we can roam)

There are some specs that I can’t do anything against if I’m only 1 handed, because I lack the damage to fully take them down.
Any decent D/D celestial Ele is kind of impossible to be beaten by a 1handed thief spec. However, if they wear Zerker amulet, I can surely try. Unfortunately, no one uses D/D with zerker specs in 1v1 servers (same can be said for Warriors, since everyone likes to run Soldier Amulet Hambow). However, I’ll definitely try beating them next time I see one.

The reason I never use my #3 ability (assuming you’re talking about the Sword and Dagger one) is because… it’s useless! The Sword #3 uses 5 Initiative, deals 20% more damage than a regular autoattack, but has a long aftercast. I find it better to just chain my auto, as managing to land the third attack of the chain is really good (because of Weakness and Cripple). Plus, the Trickery 5 minor trait gives me a damage bonus based on my Initiative: using #3 skill consumes 5 Initiative, which means 5% less damage from other damage sources.
As for the Dagger one, it roots me for the whole animation and does pitiful damage. Again, better to just chain autos, both in terms of Damage and utility (Poison+Endurance regen).
Pistol #3 actually is a decent source of damage.
ANet should definitely buff #3 single handed skills, at least for people like me

haha, awesome, AGAIN.

But Deso? Really? Did you miss the queue and the 24/7 superblobs?

Thank you, your donation is kindly appreciated. Moving to Deso cost me a lot, and I even had to buy a Commander Tag for guild reasons, so I’m really broke now
As for the server, I’m not happy with that too. I loved my old server (Gunnars Hold), and 100+ people Queues at midnight for EB are surely morale breaking.
However, the only reason I moved to Deso was to follow my guild there. Apparently Gold League has become the place to be if you want to fight high rated, GvG oriented guilds :/
But my second account is still on GH. When I finally pile up 80 Tomes of Knowledge, I will definitely make a fully geared character there

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Posted by: DanielGames.5198

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Really cool. Now we just have to wait for the offhand only video

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Posted by: DanielGames.5198

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Hah! I remember that video.

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Really cool. Now we just have to wait for the offhand only video

I actually DID kill a guy using only Off-Hand Dagger (you check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjyvreIrqI&list=UU4geCdHVnYcqw-n1rR_De_w ). But for that to happen again, I’ll need to fight a class which is 100% zerk with close to none damage mitigation. Maybe I could try it again against another Shatter Mesmer or a D/P Trickery thief (but the second one would be terribly hard).
Off Hand Pistol would be utterly impossible unless the guy I’m facing doesn’t know what he’s doing

@Menzies: I remember that video. It was done when Perplexity was released and the condi meta was starting to approach WvW Roaming. Now it would be impossible to do the same again, most roamers carry enough condition removals to deal with that.

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Posted by: DanielGames.5198

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Really cool. Now we just have to wait for the offhand only video

I actually DID kill a guy using only Off-Hand Dagger (you check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjyvreIrqI&list=UU4geCdHVnYcqw-n1rR_De_w ). But for that to happen again, I’ll need to fight a class which is 100% zerk with close to none damage mitigation. Maybe I could try it again against another Shatter Mesmer or a D/P Trickery thief (but the second one would be terribly hard).
Off Hand Pistol would be utterly impossible unless the guy I’m facing doesn’t know what he’s doing.

That was great. I didn’t think CnD could add up to so much damage. I also enjoyed the fight against the engi that popped supply crate.

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Really cool. Now we just have to wait for the offhand only video

I actually DID kill a guy using only Off-Hand Dagger (you check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjyvreIrqI&list=UU4geCdHVnYcqw-n1rR_De_w ). But for that to happen again, I’ll need to fight a class which is 100% zerk with close to none damage mitigation. Maybe I could try it again against another Shatter Mesmer or a D/P Trickery thief (but the second one would be terribly hard).
Off Hand Pistol would be utterly impossible unless the guy I’m facing doesn’t know what he’s doing.

That was great. I didn’t think CnD could add up to so much damage. I also enjoyed the fight against the engi that popped supply crate.

Keep in mind that the first video was made BEFORE the April 15th patch: back then, my Critical Damage was way higher (with actual numbers, I would easily reach 260% critical damage).

Engineers using Supply Crates for 1v1s are so desperate. When I see them using it, I tell myself “if I don’t win this I’ll be mad”, because good engis don’t need to resort to that Elite to beat thieves in 1v1. Luckily, they don’t even know HOW to use it: after they drop it, it’s only a matter of switching to SB and kiting a bit.

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Posted by: Geiir.7603

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That must be the best thing I have ever watched! Just, wow….

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Careful spreading these videos, might earn a nerf…
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(thought it was fitting)

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Careful spreading these videos, might earn a nerf…
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(thought it was fitting)

I’d say skills like Repeater definitely need a nerf!

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