Guild Wars 2

So in pvp i main a S/P Thief, with pistol whip/steal being my main method of burst and i rely on stealth for survivability, i trait into crit strikes, trickery and deadly arts.It’s never been the best build, but I’ve always found it really fun.
When the patch came, I thought it was getting a buff because of the buffs to stealing, but ever since the patch I’ve felt alot glassier – mesmers, guards and warriors have been taking me out with 1 or 2 hits so if my first burst fails and my stealth skills are on cd I’m dead. The build I run has always been glassy, but now I feel I’m excessively so.
I know I’m not the best player, and s/p isn’t the best build but I just want to know if there is a definitive reason for my sudden glassiness post patch – has some element of thief been nerfed, have other classes been buffed or whatever?

Also, does anyone else have it where skills and damage are incorrectly shown in the combat log? E.g. when I look at how much damage a pw has done it often calls it unload, and often sword attacks are called dagger ones too.

*If you are of the opinion that I am a noob and am failing because i need to ‘l2p’ or whatever, then I’m asking you to say something like ‘maybe you’re not experienced enough’ rather than being rude – I’ve been burned by this forum before and would not like a repeat

June patch we’ve been nerfed to the ground. If you are running zerk gear alongside your build kindly refrain from doing so in the meantime. Survivability and sustain was hurt the most on thieves post-patch.

Main problem is this new burst meta(40% more DPS), Thief is really squishy class without defensive abilities like protection,endurance pain etc. built on evade mechanism.ArenaNet on last big patch make big mistake → nerf vigor and remove Feline’s Grace = destroyed Thief core mechanism

Look on other classes.

Mesmer -> Invurnerability,Evade,Blind,Blink,Portal,Stunlock,Invis,cleanse and massive burst DPS . Thats all in one build.

Warrior -> Hight HP pool,2x endurance pain,cleanse 3 conditions every 6sec,mobility, 2x endurance pain,berserker stance,massive HP regen. Thats all in one build

Elementalist -> no coment.

etc.

All single class has more than Thief.

So explain to me why i have crossed path vs some thieves that could take on my burst & dish out some of his own back on me? Can someone explain? & fyi, i will admit, i dont have to much trouble vs the squishy ones. I don’t think anybody does.

Evilek.5690:

Main problem is this new burst meta(40% more DPS), Thief is really squishy class without defensive abilities like protection,endurance pain etc. built on evade mechanism.ArenaNet on last big patch make big mistake -> nerf vigor and remove Feline’s Grace = destroyed Thief core mechanism

Look on other classes.

Mesmer -> Invurnerability,Evade,Blind,Blink,Portal,Stunlock,Invis,cleanse and massive burst DPS . Thats all in one build.

Warrior -> Hight HP pool,2x endurance pain,cleanse 3 conditions every 6sec,mobility, 2x endurance pain,berserker stance,massive HP regen. Thats all in one build

Elementalist -> no coment.

etc.

All single class has more than Thief.

what memer build is that? id like to know what is ti— ‘cuz everytime I get on my Mesmer I don’t see the burst and cc at all

punahou.3986:

Evilek.5690:

Main problem is this new burst meta(40% more DPS), Thief is really squishy class without defensive abilities like protection,endurance pain etc. built on evade mechanism.ArenaNet on last big patch make big mistake -> nerf vigor and remove Feline’s Grace = destroyed Thief core mechanism

Look on other classes.

Mesmer -> Invurnerability,Evade,Blind,Blink,Portal,Stunlock,Invis,cleanse and massive burst DPS . Thats all in one build.

Warrior -> Hight HP pool,2x endurance pain,cleanse 3 conditions every 6sec,mobility, 2x endurance pain,berserker stance,massive HP regen. Thats all in one build

Elementalist -> no coment.

etc.

All single class has more than Thief.

what memer build is that? id like to know what is ti— ‘cuz everytime I get on my Mesmer I don’t see the burst and cc at all

Here you go. You can get the cleanse with torch and “The Pledge” trait, but I prefer pistol.

A few players have already summed some points up but to recap:

• The recent patch butchered S/D (vigor nerf, some traits being moved elsewhere or on the same line so you’re forced to choose ONE etc)
• Everyone does more damage now yet some classes are suffering more because there was little to no implementation of defensive stuff or as previously stated, traits got moved around and you’re forced to choose certain things
• The new thief specialization is called The Nerf Stick and it’s centered around being the absolute king of holding the most nerfs at any given time and is certain to accomplish utter failure to any extent due to the plethora of nerfs crowned upon it be it publicly announced, hidden or bugged beyond describable words.

Zephyra.4709:

A few players have already summed some points up but to recap:

• The recent patch butchered S/D (vigor nerf, some traits being moved elsewhere or on the same line so you’re forced to choose ONE etc)
• Everyone does more damage now yet some classes are suffering more because there was little to no implementation of defensive stuff or as previously stated, traits got moved around and you’re forced to choose certain things
• The new thief specialization is called The Nerf Stick and it’s centered around being the absolute king of holding the most nerfs at any given time and is certain to accomplish utter failure to any extent due to the plethora of nerfs crowned upon it be it publicly announced, hidden or bugged beyond describable words.

lol and don’t forget, thanks to the 1500 stack limit, there’s plenty more room from Nerf stacks to come our way!

Thief is like Lucky Charms without the marshmallows at the moment. Just keep fingers crossed these next couple balance updates address our issues. We unfortunately got nerfs to both our survive lines, and the offensive line changes (while a few cool things added) kind of fell short compared to other classes.

I don’t know about you guys but it just seems like thief is the class Anet works on last, having run out of cool ideas.

I am churning out the same amount of damage pre-patch if I am on DA, SA, TR. if I’m on CA, SA, and TR, traited no quarter and the new “practiced tolerance” (which isn’t appropriately named now) it has a higher output. If CA DA TR yeah you’re a one burst machine with really low survivability. Hell even if you are on SA, survivability is nerfed greatly when every other class like necros and mesmers can 1-3 shot you easy even if you are on valks. And btw, can’t run much on valks armors now cause it greatly reduces crit chance to below 40%.

Zephyra.4709:

A few players have already summed some points up but to recap:

• The recent patch butchered S/D (vigor nerf, some traits being moved elsewhere or on the same line so you’re forced to choose ONE etc)
• Everyone does more damage now yet some classes are suffering more because there was little to no implementation of defensive stuff or as previously stated, traits got moved around and you’re forced to choose certain things
• The new thief specialization is called The Nerf Stick and it’s centered around being the absolute king of holding the most nerfs at any given time and is certain to accomplish utter failure to any extent due to the plethora of nerfs crowned upon it be it publicly announced, hidden or bugged beyond describable words.

i just love you rotfl
i stopped playing gw for 8 months.. i backed 4 days ago.. i didn t understand nothing about everything was going on, but my thief was deleted in every fight
then i realiazed
right now i m kicking a lot of kitten, like the guardians’ one.. i found easier the fights against engi and, sometimes, mesmers.
generally ranger and warr aren t a big deal, but the eles are kinda though, sometimes i shot em, sometimes they shot me
should improve survability and health pool.. i can t stomp nobody

Vieux P.1238:

So explain to me why i have crossed path vs some thieves that could take on my burst & dish out some of his own back on me? Can someone explain? & fyi, i will admit, i dont have to much trouble vs the squishy ones. I don’t think anybody does.

its happens alot to me,I counter thieves all the time,cause those thieves are on the same boat as you are,so it all comes down to skill when you fight fellow thief.Somtimes it is only who lands backstab first,but in my experince so far,I fought dozens of thieves since patch,even thieves that got the jump on you,and only got outplayed once and that guy dueled me after and I won like 7 out of 10 duels.Pretty much even I would say.

Sandrox.9524:

Vieux P.1238:

So explain to me why i have crossed path vs some thieves that could take on my burst & dish out some of his own back on me? Can someone explain? & fyi, i will admit, i dont have to much trouble vs the squishy ones. I don’t think anybody does.

its happens alot to me,I counter thieves all the time,cause those thieves are on the same boat as you are,so it all comes down to skill when you fight fellow thief.Somtimes it is only who lands backstab first,but in my experince so far,I fought dozens of thieves since patch,even thieves that got the jump on you,and only got outplayed once and that guy dueled me after and I won like 7 out of 10 duels.Pretty much even I would say.

A good non-squishy build helps alote to.

if you don’t want to be squishy, check out my DD build in the forum, high dmg high sustain, high fun

(Allround strong DD build)