Guild Wars 2

… seen couple of groups in fractals today, looking for everything but thief. If you actually tried to join as thief, they would kick you. Why do i get a feeling it won’t be any different in raids?

Because it won’t be

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Devs who only play DH laugh harder

what fractal lvls re we talking about?

I’m doing fine between 30 and 50 ( in before “lawl nawb” )

Shirlias.8104:

what fractal lvls re we talking about?

I’m doing fine between 30 and 50 ( in before “lawl nawb” )

30-60

i used, tbh, to start fractals ( and have 1 friend with me ).

Have you tried to start one instead trying to join?

Shirlias.8104:

i used, tbh, to start fractals ( and have 1 friend with me ).

Have you tried to start one instead trying to join?

i AM starting own groups… i am just saying that i have been experiencing this today

I agree then

But hey man, why should they have to invite a thief while they could invite a better casual class?

I’m sad.

Gonna be worst for raids.

Power thief is also the only dps getting almost nothing from Adrenals mushrooms which are usable during the encounters.

And that’s why I rolled a necro and rev.

Also got warrior and guardian parked.

But they will be changing toughness scaling so i think thief will be fine again?

How will they change toughnes scaling, did they say it somewhere?
And btw does anyone know when the next balance patch will be?

it will stop scaling on 50 lvl, i think later damage will be going up, there is a topic in dungeon forum

Ah, you mean fractals will have a different scaling, I though class’ stats would be recalculated, which wouldn’t be a bad thing.

So many thief skills are single target interrupts. Not good against trash (single target) and not good against champions (can’t stunlock something that’s immune to CC)

Thief really needs better group utility or more damage to compensate for its lack of utility.

I hope the devs are aware of people’s attitudes towards thief, why, and actually do something about it.

They really need to separate PvP and PvE balancing. The skills required are different. In PvP for example if you pelt someone with arrows from a large distance they aren’t just going to stand there and take it, stupidly run off a cliff, or cheaply automatically regenerate depending on the game or situation. Players don’t have these huge HP sinks that wear down your CD’s, not a big group of trash mobs. Players can actually know you’re crouched down under that jeep and act accordingly, and players in general lack weaknesses that AI has.

So the need for two separate balancing pools is obvious.

Which is why I been gearing up my Necro and using him for Fractals and will be using him for Raids. Pretty ironic situation really. Insane amounts of Survivability and Damage and much less effort. Less effort for all other classes with more pay-off.

Honestly, every class—including Thief—is fully viable in Fractals, and that’s unlikely to change with Raids. That said, pubs will continue taking the path of least resistance as always; at the moment this means arbitrarily excluding Thief because it’s harder to play (and there’s a lot of bad Thieves out there).

This is yet another reason among many to not do dungeons or fractals with pubs. I do stuff like that with my guild, and despite them being total scrubs that’s enough. Speaking as a former hardcore raider in WoW and other games, the PvE content in this game is EASY. Do what you can to find an accepting group—be they friends or strangers—and you should be fine as a Thief in PvE.

Amante.8109:

Honestly, every class—including Thief—is fully viable in Fractals, and that’s unlikely to change with Raids. That said, pubs will continue taking the path of least resistance as always; at the moment this means arbitrarily excluding Thief because it’s harder to play (and there’s a lot of bad Thieves out there).

This is yet another reason among many to not do dungeons or fractals with pubs. I do stuff like that with my guild, and despite them being total scrubs that’s enough. Speaking as a former hardcore raider in WoW and other games, the PvE content in this game is EASY. Do what you can to find an accepting group—be they friends or strangers—and you should be fine as a Thief in PvE.

This is very true.

In reality, as long as you’re running a build that makes sense – like you’re not spamming death blossom for conditions and lotus evade while wearing all power gear (that doesn’t make sense) – You should be pretty much fine/viable.

The problem comes from the extremist side of things, where there’s a “meta” and 1 way to do things, and it’s the “best” way to do things. Most people accept this, without much proof, since hey, they’re saying it’s the best way and a ton of other people are doing it, why need a proof. Plus no one wants to run with dweebs that attack squirrels instead of the boss and run/do weird builds – and if you pick a meta build, it at least shows you know how to google. This mass of people that accept the “meta” will screw over the other half/side of people… In a way, the ones blindly accepting the “meta” without questioning it are also dweebs.

The funny thing is, unless you do what narc has done in his 3 part video (aside from ripping on people..), there’s no way other than that to prove that something is better than something else (dps wise) – since we don’t have a dps meter, and we can only theorize and wave our hands while we talk about dps and meta kitten. Narc also, and I find it funny how it’s alien to the gw2 community, brought up that boss mechinics impact dps, and where sometimes ranged dps outshines melee or conditions outshine others – depending on the boss mechanic.

So, you’re stuck with between either not getting a group at all, playing with players (dweebs) that my not be performing well at all, or playing with dweebs that blindly accept meta and rejecting everything else. And then there’s an off-chance that you might get the normal people that understand that it’s not all black-and-white…

Though, logically, the best thing you can do for yourself, is to pair up with the meta dweebs, that way you can get into their groups, plus you can still get into groups that don’t follow meta and aren’t performing well at all, and you still get the possibility of getting into normal groups as well.

TL/DR:

It’s kind like this, if the -> represents who they accept besides themselves:

skill-less dweebs -> normals -> meta dweebs

:| You want to be on the far right, so you get accept by all the other groups. Plus you will have the ability to use your base-less authority (- power), due to being “meta”, to be kittens to all the other groups on the left.