Guild Wars 2

So I need to ask other Thieves this question, what is left of your Thief?

• What do you do in a dungeon and what build do you use?
• What role do you fulfill in WvW in both roaming party’s and Zerg vs Zerg?
• Do you feel your class, the Thief is just as effective as other classes?
• Did you swap weaponsets? If so from what previous set to which current set?
• Do you feel underpowered, balanced or overpowered compared to other classes?
• What stats combination on your gear do you think is the most effective now?

I just want a general feel for what the opinion of others is about our class these days, if you are wondering about mine. I feel less useful than other classes in a party, with the exception of stealth taxi people through hard PvE parts such as in dungeons.

I deleted mine. :3

Dungeons: I generally run a standard S/P build. Blinds and cleave are very useful for trash, and the DPS is very good for bosses (with the auto-evade on PW helping to stay alive). Shadow Refuge is always on my bar for either skipping content or playing field medic.

WvW: I roam with the same build, although I’ve literally done every non-S/D build that popularly exists. Zerg I pull out my shortbow and play crit games with Cluster Bomb, using Dagger Storm to get bag-tags. I will swap back to S/P and blow up a glass caster at the edges of combat if possible. Zerg fights are usually lopsided anyway, and I don’t play for serious on a karma train.

Other classes: Thief is good at Thief things. Grass is always greener on the other side. There are improvements that I could make to the class, but many classes have the same sort of holes that we do. My Guardian has been the same basically since release, with the same issues.

Weaponsets: I have used everything. I will generally swap sets if I find that I want to change things up, or if I need to get better synergy with my roaming partner. I have a stock of exotic gear that switch/experiment on the fly.

Power level: I feel like Thief is in a generally good place, although Warriors make me feel like a kindergartener. I feast on Rangers, and feel bad for them and all their bugs. I also feel bad for Necros, but only in PvE.

Stat combos: I like a power-based build with a focus on crit rate (since we have several good on-crit options available), and enough Toughness/Vitality to keep from getting insta-blicked. I run Knight’s armor with Zerk weapons/trinkets, puts me at around 16-17k health, and that generally works well for me. Food and trait respecs take care of whatever hole that I need to shore up for a particular event. I have a stock of Soldier’s stuff in the bank when I need extra defense, or when fighting things that I can’t crit.

Build (for everything): http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsYVlYm6OncS6E/5Eh3DyO2wqVgmdP4qV1KA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNKYZxkCA

Role: doing a good amount of damage as a guerrilla fighter; scout; catching fleeing opponents; downing targets

Effectiveness: overall, worse in its respective role(s) and in what its roles are than every other class in the game save ele.

Weapon sets: no recent, lasting changes

Power: underpowered; all of our weapon sets are either gimmicky (D/X, P/D, and S/P) or simply inferior (S/D, P/P) when compared to those of most other classes in the game.

Stats: the only usable ones to try and make yourself valuable for your thief-specific abilities are Zerker stats; base stats, condi application, and weapon sets are overall too weak to make use of anything else.

bettadenu.5483:

So I need to ask other Thieves this question, what is left of your Thief?

• What do you do in a dungeon and what build do you use?
• What role do you fulfill in WvW in both roaming party’s and Zerg vs Zerg?
• Do you feel your class, the Thief is just as effective as other classes?
• Did you swap weaponsets? If so from what previous set to which current set?
• Do you feel underpowered, balanced or overpowered compared to other classes?
• What stats combination on your gear do you think is the most effective now?

I just want a general feel for what the opinion of others is about our class these days, if you are wondering about mine. I feel less useful than other classes in a party, with the exception of stealth taxi people through hard PvE parts such as in dungeons.

- dungeons: i run same build as in wvw (10/30/20/10/0 zerker + some pvt), too lazy to switch tbh… i switch between d/d, d/p, p/p and sb according to fights as well as utilities (signet of agility, smoke bomb, refuge, shadow step, assassin’s signet, smoke screen, thief guild, dagger storm)… odd enough in many dungeons i spend more time rezzing other ppl than anything else…still puzzles me how all those guards/wars die while thief stays alive to rez them heh

- wvw: (roaming) killing squishies, stomps, rezzess;
(guild zerg)scouting, sb blast finishers + daggerstorm, clusterbomb/choke bomb spam, ocasionally killing eles in the back

- thieves are good roamers but that’s it, tbh after playing other classes i think thieves lack team utility and either aoe dmg or aoe protection… i think issue is not even with thieves themself but how absurd some classes are atm, i highly doubt anet would consider tone those down to thief level though

- i tried to play about every set thieves have to offer, starting from s/p → d/d(backstab) → p/p → s/d → p/d → d/d (condi), ended up playing d/p (currently)

- as stated before, thieves in vacuum are actually fine, the issue starts when you add other classes and their mechanics… imo thieves have no place in bunker/condi meta due stealth not providing aoe protection, condis being too spammy and bunkers mitigating too much dmg from thief (that already have to sacrifice everything for dmg), pvp wise at least… when i see team of necros/engis in pvp i just wanna quit tbh :/

pve wise, i think thieves are decent but obviously not best, wars are just too good, guards are mandatory for some dungeons/pathes

- depends on build really, i play d/p so zerker + valk probably, some pvt for wvw

Rerolled to Warrior.

Zacchary.6183:

I deleted mine.

Wow, that’s a bit drastic, dontchathink?

The thief makes a great mule class. My thief stores all of my acct bound
items and boosts. Freed up many slots from my bank.

Besides, in 3 more years when they adjust the thief, you will need to
level one again.
Some players swear the thief is in a good spot. We know who they are-
they will troll this thread soon.

You believe that? I’m guessing he deleted it just like he was done with Thief foreva’ after warrior healing signet buff. He’s just a drama queen.

bettadenu.5483:

I feel less useful than other classes in a party, with the exception of stealth taxi people through hard PvE parts such as in dungeons.

Correct~ It’s nice to troll around with a few thieves in WvW though, but generally it would be better if all of them would use a better class.

This is the only class that is fun. I’m leaving gw2 til next major update. Same thing I did a couple months ago.

What do you do in a dungeon and what build do you use?
Honestly I don’t dungeon much… but when I do… It’s full zerker 30/30/x/y/z…
Or at the very least 0/30/x/y/z …
Weapon sets, I perfer d/d and sb.

What role do you fulfill in WvW in both roaming party’s and Zerg vs Zerg?
Don’t do roaming. Zerg vs Zerg, I fulfill the loot bag role. Honestly, just a zergling front/mid-line, less usefull than any other class(frontliners best done by war/guards, backliners ele’s/necros…). Can’t even be fully mid-line since max range is 900 (:D yaya!).

Do you feel your class, the Thief is just as effective as other classes?
No, short answer.

Did you swap weaponsets? If so from what previous set to which current set?
So, I always have SB as the 2nd set (in sPvP it has energy sigil, for gtfo, in WVW/PvE sigil of fire for moar AoE).
WvW I either use anything as a main set since they don’t bring the same effectiveness as the SB (in a zerg), so in a zerg basically I use SB).
Dungeons, I went from p/p unload spam to d/d, both zerkers. Though my dungeoning experience is mainly a lot of CoF runs, with some other dungeons (AC… some low level fracts…)
sPvP, played around with many… stuck with p/d condi… just works for me.

Do you feel underpowered, balanced or overpowered compared to other classes?
Balanced, in the sense of there’s always QQ’ing how thieves OP with stealth/backstabs and kitten (look at those videos!!!! OMG he killed so many in that montage, clearly that ALWAYS happens)… and underpowered since in WvW thief sucks, PvE other classes do it better, sPvP meh (high-level apparently thieves are kitten).

What stats combination on your gear do you think is the most effective now?
WvW/PvE, I have only zerker accessories (ascended, pain in the kitten to switch, thanks!), for armor i have full zerker and pvt/knight mix, switching between the two depending on the situation…
sPvP, runes that give condi damage and extend bleed duration.

What I feel the thief is exceptionally well at doing, and this will probably get nerfed is:
From the bank/crafter’s in LA using shadow-step+dodge roll+infiltrator’s arrow to get to the TP fast to pick up items/gold… :\ really slow on my warrior and guardian… thief is best for this.

nagymbear.5280:

You believe that?

Habeeb it!

Here is my thief before Dec 10th and my roster after Dec 10th.

I quit this game just before the last patch, when I read how this patch would balance the game.
Playing more competitive games as lol right now.
Having lot of fun finally and not planning to come back on this crap anymore, I’m having fun also checking the forum time by time and seeing the frustration of all these die-harder thieves that are still wasting their time on this game while still WvW noobs are crying for nerfs on the thief.
Nothing has change from Day1 and nothing will change at all.

Since I rarely step outside PvE, I’ve answered only the parts which concern PvE.

What do you do in a dungeon and what build do you use? 25/30/0/0/15 or 30/30/0/0/10 when im feeling lazy

Do you feel your class, the Thief is just as effective as other classes? I’d say were far above average tied at the top with guardian and mesmer.

Did you swap weaponsets? If so from what previous set to which current set? I’ve always carried all weaponsets. I carry 7 daggers, 3 swords, 2 pistols, and 2 shortbows with varying sets of sigils for certain situations. I mainly use d/d, s/p, and s/d with a shortbow as weapon swap for might stacking.

Do you feel underpowered, balanced or overpowered compared to other classes? Very overpowered. If you don’t feel overpowered then your not doing it right.

What stats combination on your gear do you think is the most effective now? Berserkers + scholars, always has been the best, always will be

bettadenu.5483:

So I need to ask other Thieves this question, what is left of your Thief?

• What do you do in a dungeon and what build do you use?
• What role do you fulfill in WvW in both roaming party’s and Zerg vs Zerg?
• Do you feel your class, the Thief is just as effective as other classes?
• Did you swap weaponsets? If so from what previous set to which current set?
• Do you feel underpowered, balanced or overpowered compared to other classes?
• What stats combination on your gear do you think is the most effective now?

I just want a general feel for what the opinion of others is about our class these days, if you are wondering about mine. I feel less useful than other classes in a party, with the exception of stealth taxi people through hard PvE parts such as in dungeons.

1) I DPS in dungeons and use 25/30/0/0/15. On trash mobs, I use S/P to keep up blinds. Stealth is used to get past annoying, skippable mobs.

2) For roaming, I solo cap supply camps, down ’yaks, and generally have fun fighting people in an open-world atmosphere. In zerks, I provide blast finishers for might stacking, swiftness stacking, and occasionally to heal rams with water fields on top of them. During zerg fights, I keep poison fields over downed targets and AoE with cluster bomb.

3) Thief, overall, is in a rather decent position. We’re probably weakest in dungeons since we don’t provide the (useful) utility of something like a Guard or Mesmer and our damage isn’t as outstanding as you would think. In WvW, we’re easily one of the best roamers and decent in zergs. In sPvP, we’re still good, particularly at roaming and moving between points faster than any other class.

4) Of course. If you never swap your weapon, you’re severely limiting yourself. 80% of the time, short bow is my swap weapon since it brings such strong AoE and mobility. Sword+Pistol is used for dealing with NPCs when soloing supply camps in WvW since you just LoS them and group them into a blind field, then auto attack them down (Dagger Storm scouts if you can’t LoS). S/P is also used for a lot of trash encounters in dungeons since a blind field can almost entirely shut them down. P/P is for specific enemy encounters where it’s best to stay ranged and when AoE isn’t needed.

5) In dungeons, I do to some extent. This is why I use my Guardian for my progression fractals group as well as most dungeons. Outside of that, though, I feel relatively balanced. More than anything, it just feels like we have less viable builds than we used to. I almost exclusively use a dagger in my main-hand nowadays. It could be worse though…I mean look at rangers. To be competitive they’re either forced into the janky sword build for dungeons, a dull spirit build for sPvP, and for WvW…well…I guess they don’t really have anything particularly strong for that, haha!

6) Berserker gear. In WvW, it’s Valkyrie gear with berserker weapons and trinkets. In sPvP, it’s berserker amulet.

What do you do in a dungeon and what build do you use?
Deal heavy damage, die.
10/30/0/0/30 or 25/30/0/0/15
D/D, S/P, SB, P/P

What role do you fulfill in WvW in both roaming party’s and Zerg vs Zerg?
Solo or duo roaming, kill small groups, distract zergs.
In zergs, deal some small amounts of dmg and put poison up, deal some heavy dmg every 90 seconds, use blast finishers from time to time, and ofc avoid dying.
10/30/30/0/0 & 0/30/0/25/15

Do you feel your class, the Thief is just as effective as other classes?
In sPvP it’s an extremely effective class if used right and circumstances allow the thief
to be used to its full potential, this is all about high mobility and being at the right place at the right time and dealing heavy damage effectively taking down strategic targets. In zergs the class is at its bottom and in dungeon it’s mid tier.

Did you swap weaponsets? If so from what previous set to which current set?
I effectively play and switch between D/P and D/D + SB (builds up top), from time to time I also play P/D. I used to play various S/D builds, 60% of my time on thief I was playing S/D, I don’t doubt it’s still effective if played right.

Do you feel underpowered, balanced or overpowered compared to other classes?
Our strong sides overpower other classes just like other classes strong sides overpower us. Overall I feel it’s balanced, with the right build and weapons for each encounter I can outplay most classes just like they can outplay me. It takes a good thief to kill me on my engineer or mesmer, and that’s acceptable.

What stats combination on your gear do you think is the most effective now?
As glassy as possible and played right is still most effective as it has potential to kill everything, as well as potential to be killed by everything. My alternative is
PvT weapons, head, chest, legs, and rest zerker which is really effective for group fights and 1vX.

Zero Day ftw, his posts are always worth reading

Ghostwolf.9863:

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Zero Day ftw, his posts are always worth reading

Thanks!

I’m a bit pessimistic due to WvW’ing with a thief is a bit depressing…

Zero Day.2594:

Ghostwolf.9863:

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Zero Day ftw, his posts are always worth reading

Thanks!

I’m a bit pessimistic due to WvW’ing with a thief is a bit depressing…

WvW in general is depressing. Logged in yesterday after more then a month break, killed few clueless upleveled kitten s, u know the usual thief stuff… and the skill lag kicked in… while the map didnt even had queue… getting one more month break and hope for anet to start giving a kitten.

I think that I’ll probably abandon GW2 for the first Oculus Rift supported MMO.

I’m just tired of old.

GW2 did some pretty amazing things – but they also backpedaled on a lot of promises too, and after 6 months it’s become stale, with little hope in sight that they’ll actually fix the core issues.

The problems with the Thief are just emblematic – the Rogue archetype has always been my favorite, but the Thief in GW2 has nearly destroyed the fun I have with it – I’ve never played a Rogue that actually made me dislike it as much as in this game. I used to run a Witch Elf in WAR, and an Assassin/Nightblade/Bladedancer in Rift, and of course, Rogue in WoW, and while each has it’s problems, none of them have actually turned me away from the class as much as the GW2 Thief has.

The entire class is so awkward, so unwieldy, it’s highly frustrating.

ipan.4356:

I think that I’ll probably abandon GW2 for the first Oculus Rift supported MMO.

I’m just tired of old.

GW2 did some pretty amazing things – but they also backpedaled on a lot of promises too, and after 6 months it’s become stale, with little hope in sight that they’ll actually fix the core issues.

The problems with the Thief are just emblematic – the Rogue archetype has always been my favorite, but the Thief in GW2 has nearly destroyed the fun I have with it – I’ve never played a Rogue that actually made me dislike it as much as in this game. I used to run a Witch Elf in WAR, and an Assassin/Nightblade/Bladedancer in Rift, and of course, Rogue in WoW, and while each has it’s problems, none of them have actually turned me away from the class as much as the GW2 Thief has.

The entire class is so awkward, so unwieldy, it’s highly frustrating.

Just googled “oculus rift” and man … Thats just too creepy. Reminds me of old pictior i have seen ages ago, googled it just now. http://mygaming.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Video-Game-Addiction-news.jpg

Yep, here come the wireheads.