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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

killahmayne.9518

Did they nerf you guys or something?

All I see in WvW are a bunch of condition P/D or P/P thieves with perplexity runes running caltrops and venoms. It is a really strong (but cheesy) build though, like the thief version of the blackwater mesmer build.

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Posted by: xmtrcv.5236

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Did they nerf you guys or something?

All I see in WvW are a bunch of condition P/D or P/P thieves with perplexity runes running caltrops and venoms. It is a really strong (but cheesy) build though, like the thief version of the blackwater mesmer build.

Someone doesn’t read patch notes. I love how all Thief builds are “cheesy” by default. (because it’s perceived as strong, I’m sure.) bookitteninghoo.

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Posted by: nickxnickx.5401

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I don’t think nerf is the right word…

It’s more like destroyed.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

killahmayne.9518

Did they nerf you guys or something?

All I see in WvW are a bunch of condition P/D or P/P thieves with perplexity runes running caltrops and venoms. It is a really strong (but cheesy) build though, like the thief version of the blackwater mesmer build.

Someone doesn’t read patch notes. I love how all Thief builds are "cheesy" by default. (because it’s perceived as strong, I’m sure.) bookitteninghoo.

Speaking about reading, I don’t think you read or understand what I said. I was just wondering why there are an abundance of these thieves nowadays. Somebody seems a bit touchy and upset when it comes to thieves ....

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

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The OP is a funny guy.

Just give us time to sort things out, I’m sure you’ll see us there eventually. I’m currently still looking for my next build since my S/D build has been completely destroyed. I’m currently using D/D and more and more every day I’m starting to recall why I’ve abandoned this set long time ago.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

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Well we did get nerfed so people are a little touchy right now. While you may have noticed that our base intitiative regen got buffed (if you read the notes), all of our initiative regen traits were nerfed. S/X got a pretty decent nerf it the form a cast time addition to it making it very clunky to use. While a lot of people are saying that they buffed S/P’s pistol whip all they really did was fix what they broke when they changed how stun duration rounded. They reduced access to thief vigor as well meaning that thieves have actually necieved a nerf to survivability across the board through evasion. LS on S/D was nerfed a couple of months ago so it can’t make it through boon bunkers anymore. What’s left is increasing your suvivability through armor and and trinkets which doesn’t scale well with power thieves as we lack the cc to draw out fights or tip the tables to our advantage. That leaves condition damage which only requires one offensive stat. D/D condition builds only deal damage with bleeds on 1 attack while P/D has access to bleeds, immobilzation and torment while also applying vulnerability (cover condition) contantly in order to apply more bleeds making it the superior choice. They also gave us a healing venom and venoms synergize well with condition sets (better than power at least) so people could just be trying it out.

Tl; Dr: Popular thief builds got nerfed. People are using what’s left over.

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Posted by: Barfoi.9537

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@killah

Are you a GS/Hammer Warrior? If so, then that’s a setup I never see in WvW… ;P It’s always fun to P/P them with a crit-build and hit Endure Pain x2 back-to-back. Afterwards, they could be called swiss-cheese warriors!

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

Zero Day.2594

Did they nerf you guys or something?

All I see in WvW are a bunch of condition P/D or P/P thieves with perplexity runes running caltrops and venoms. It is a really strong (but cheesy) build though, like the thief version of the blackwater mesmer build.

Someone doesn’t read patch notes. I love how all Thief builds are “cheesy” by default. (because it’s perceived as strong, I’m sure.) bookitteninghoo.

Here comes another set of nerfs for our new found builds…
I think he’s most likely warrior.

Tl; Dr: Popular thief builds got nerfed. People are using what’s left over.

To be nerfed again (cuz they’re becoming “popular”, thus clearly “OHPEE”). I will add it to the nerf wish list, in 5 minutes (too many infractions/bans).

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Posted by: Oh My God.8423

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So in which areas does a thief shine these days

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

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yes I am a warrior mainly, i use 5-6 builds for WvW because if I use one for too long I may get bored of it, offers up a bit more variety and challenge. I play other classes too like Guardian, Necro, Mesmer, just started playing Ranger. Every class has cheesy builds (a huge constant being that they tend to be condition builds), it is just probably the nature of how conditions in this game work, how one builds toward condition and many options for applying conditions.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

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So in which areas does a thief shine these days

ArenaNet’s underfoot. Squished like a bug.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

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why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam ... the thief forums are depressing lol.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam … the thief forums are depressing lol.

Sour? More like resentment.

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

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why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam … the thief forums are depressing lol.

:D We have a nerf wish list if that excites you, you can pitch in, i already added your original post to it, left out your name since it’s not really YOU but the idea that I’m sure others will start to follow.

P.S. I rolled a guardian and warrior too. I don’t talk on those forums simply because, even though dieing, thief is and will be my main (even if i store it away and don’t use it…).

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Posted by: Excalibur.9748

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I don’t want to play until they fix the new bug involving infiltrator arrow and dodge lol.

Man this patch was just an epic fail all around. Killed the builds we run, only perplexity cheese is left, how wonderful.

All is vain.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

killahmayne.9518

why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam … the thief forums are depressing lol.

:D We have a nerf wish list if that excites you, you can pitch in, i already added your original post to it, left out your name since it’s not really YOU but the idea that I’m sure others will start to follow.

P.S. I rolled a guardian and warrior too. I don’t talk on those forums simply because, even though dieing, thief is and will be my main (even if i store it away and don’t use it…).

Sweet! I’ll ask for a nerf to the devs nerfing thieves for you guys

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

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So in which areas does a thief shine these days

D/D zerker builds have remained relatively untouched since the nerf to mug. Since the meta is tanky conditions right now though its sort of hard to burst people down as needed, you need to be pretty good to not melt in 5 seconds.

To sum up:
D/D 25(30)/30/X/X/X
D/D 0/30/30(25)/10(15)/0

Are both still in an alright spot. I don’t care for conditions but there are variations on 0/0/30/20/20 P/D that are relatively unchanged as well.

Whether these shine or not in the current meta is subjective as both (power/condi) are largely single target builds.

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

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why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam … the thief forums are depressing lol.

:D We have a nerf wish list if that excites you, you can pitch in, i already added your original post to it, left out your name since it’s not really YOU but the idea that I’m sure others will start to follow.

P.S. I rolled a guardian and warrior too. I don’t talk on those forums simply because, even though dieing, thief is and will be my main (even if i store it away and don’t use it…).

Sweet! I’ll ask for a nerf to the devs nerfing thieves for you guys

Clever and sneaky. Sorry you can’t do that, that would mean it’s a buff for thieves, and we can’t buff thieves * shakes head*. We can, mock buff them . That works too and has been done already.

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Posted by: AYxC.3850

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I’m still doing pretty good at D/P tho. :|
And no I’m not a fan of stacking stealth. I have my ways.

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Posted by: Rissou.7213

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I wish they removed the longer revealed in spvp, then i could finally play D/D like i do i WvW, in WvW d/d rocks.

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Posted by: frans.8092

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Speaking about reading, ….

You did say cheesy, your memory is failing you?
And apparently he is right, when you call P/D cheesy, everything played effective by a thief effective is cheesy in your view.

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Posted by: Hawkeye.9687

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@ killahmayne
Cheesy is the spec you have shown on the video .It will be the new meta for the warriors ,though a few people know that.
THE Overpowered spec ,is a warrior with dual swords – Long bow Dire armor ,rabid/dire ascended trinkets trated swords 0-30-20-0-20.The person you block with the sword dies, simple as that. Add burning ,bleeds etc you must face 3 or more to be challenging.The damage is INSANE.

Fellow thiefs do your best ,though i know it’s tough.
D/D 10-30-30 is my preference.

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Posted by: Frigid.6027

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Is a condi warrior really in the thief forums complaining about condis?

Every single class is running condi builds in WvW because condis are overpowered. Nine times out of ten roaming fights are a race to see whos condis melt the other person faster.

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Posted by: Aristho.3481

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D/p burst is still the same and I do fine with it, I really like that blinding powder is a blast finisher now so I can stack stealth with it and don’t feel bad about not running Shadow refuge. Although that had nothing to do with this patch.

S/d is completely ruined now, they better come with some buffs for this set the next patch.

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Posted by: Geiir.7603

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They buffed / nerfed S/P builds. They buffed Pistol Whip, but completely destroyed Infiltrator’s Strike… Other than that they ruined S/D, D/D is usually a one-trick pony (you kill or you die) and what we have left is P/P (not that good of a weapon set) and P/D condition builds… Some still run D/P, but they’re not that usual any more.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

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Lol @ me complaining ... I just made a statement and people get mad and upset now. No wonder barely anybody visits these thief forums. I was just merely asking what they did to the thief class that now makes alot of them run the condition builds. Did i not say that warriors have cheesy specs as well? And that video I posted was from June 2013 ... which was like what 6 months ago???? It’s been popular for awhile although I don’t use it very often, i just never tried it before at the time

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

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Lol @ me complaining … I just made a statement and people get mad and upset now. No wonder barely anybody visits these thief forums. I was just merely asking what they did to the thief class that now makes alot of them run the condition builds. Did i not say that warriors have cheesy specs as well? And that video I posted was from June 2013 … which was like what 6 months ago???? It’s been popular for awhile although I don’t use it very often, i just never tried it before at the time

Here’s what happened bud.
Recently we had a nerf bat slammed into our kitten (again) to nerf a “cheesy” build (“perma-stealth”), leaving a rash like usual.
A few days later you show up, and point out that you’ve noticed that there’s a new spec that the thieves are running around with, you include the word “cheesy”. Being the Internet forums here, there’s little to no sense of tone, whether you were mocking us or not is unclear to some or whether you came here with bad intention towards thieves. Afraid of being smacked with the nerf bat for another time, people started saying kitten (including me), pointing out how specs that we’re strong with are always considered cheesy and that you’re a warrior.

:| you just had bad timing with this post… if you posted after we got a decent buff or two people might have reacted differently. What scares me the most though, is that you’ve noticed a new spec running around… and i’m sure it’s not just you either, and without a doubt people are already calling it cheesy… :/ and we all know where that’s gonna go…

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Posted by: Barfoi.9537

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Lol @ me complaining … I just made a statement and people get mad and upset now.

Your original post appears mixed with attitude and/or complaints. You can make a statement (or ask a question) without such.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

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Your original post appears mixed with attitude and/or complaints. You can make a statement (or ask a question) without such.

Key word "appears" and "appears" is a very subjective term. To break down my post.

"Did they nerf you guys or something" - Simply a question inquiring about whether thieves were nerfed.

"All I see are a bunch of condi thieves ...." - Simply explaining my experiences in WvW with thieves as related to the question "Did they nerf thieves?".

"It is a really strong, but cheesy build ..." - Simply calling it how it is. It isn’t a complaint, or a call for a nerf. Nothing personal against thieves. Just a simple statement and opinion, you don’t have to agree with it or people don’t have to bash me for having such an opinion.

Not sure how I came across with "attitude" as you said I have appeared to. If anything its the few other people that came in here assuming I had a personal bias against thieves and started to come at me with "attitude".

I never called the build OP, as you may of noticed. Engis, Necros, Warriors, Rangers, Thieves, Mesmers can all have that same type of build.

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Posted by: RyuDragnier.9476

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why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam … the thief forums are depressing lol.

HA. You think this is bad, go look in the Ranger forums. Compared to that, the doom and gloom in this subforum is nothing.

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Posted by: frans.8092

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Your original post appears mixed with attitude and/or complaints. You can make a statement (or ask a question) without such.

Key word “appears” and “appears” is a very subjective term. …

Appears is not a subjective term at all.
He is right, it’s the tone of your post, the words you choose and the opinion expressed through them – and now you are hiding behind wordplay.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

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why is everybody so sour, I guess I opened a can of worms that I shouldn’t of but dam … the thief forums are depressing lol.

HA. You think this is bad, go look in the Ranger forums. Compared to that, the doom and gloom in this subforum is nothing.

I’ll go visit there next xD

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