Guild Wars 2

Seriously in 1 pvp game like this arena net allows and boosts perma stealth?

Assasins in gw1 did not had any stealth at all ,mesmers did not had clones and cows**t like that.Worked fine for 7 year. . .
Ok i understand you wanna follow and copy every others game mechanic with stealth and clones-after all why develop something new when you can copy other games.Its too late to whine about that . . .
But seriously from stealth to another stealth ,with cleanse and health regeneration,high initiative regeneration,easiest class to skip zergs,plenty of distance skills -plz give them 1 shot button so we can all simply reroll to thief and play who pops out first (this was sarcasm).

Last night 3 of us tried to kill perma stealth thief ofc we fail,its easy to kill bad ones but any deacent player that does not need to be super uber korean wunderkid can go form stealth to stealth and again.We down him to 20% health -look at me im a pro stealther and his hp goes full again.Not to mention pro lame ppl that dont have balls to play class without stealth,you can forget about killing those.

To finish my whining post as some of trolls (read "pro"thief players or
wannabe-s)might refer to NERF Dagger/Pistol stealth ability.YOU WENT TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

QQ moar, your tears are delicious and increase my stealth duration.

Last night 3 of us tried to kill perma stealth thief ofc we fail,its easy to kill bad ones but any deacent player that does not need to be super uber korean wunderkid can go form stealth to stealth and again.

How do you think we feel when a Elemental runs in mist form inside of a castle and we never kill him?

How do you think we feel when a warrior 1 shot us with rifle?

How do you think we feel when a phantom Mesmer destroys us in 1 second?

How do you thing we fell when a Retaliation Guardian just laugh of our damage?

How do you think we feel when a Engineer throws his package on our heads, stunts and beat us?

If you couldn’t kill that thief is because you don’t know how to play against them.

When he uses the blind field (small red circle) step inside, he will hit you and will be revealed, also he will not have any iniciative, then you can kill him very very easy.

Use root and stunt, he will scape one time but not the second one.

Use AOE after you root or stunt, even if they disappear they are still in the same place rooted.

I have been beat by every single class in this game with really good player . . .

So I’m really honest when I say this . . . don’t come and cry if your problem is clearly a l2p problem.

NEVER! You are doomed… Now go kill some pve mobs.

SoLeciTO.3490:

Last night 3 of us tried to kill perma stealth thief ofc we fail,its easy to kill bad ones but any deacent player that does not need to be super uber korean wunderkid can go form stealth to stealth and again.

How do you think we feel when a Elemental runs in mist form inside of a castle and we never kill him?

How do you think we feel when a warrior 1 shot us with rifle?

How do you think we feel when a phantom Mesmer destroys us in 1 second?

How do you thing we fell when a Retaliation Guardian just laugh of our damage?

How do you think we feel when a Engineer throws his package on our heads, stunts and beat us?

If you couldn’t kill that thief is because you don’t know how to play against them.

When he uses the blind field (small red circle) step inside, he will hit you and will be revealed, also he will not have any iniciative, then you can kill him very very easy.

Use root and stunt, he will scape one time but not the second one.

Use AOE after you root or stunt, even if they disappear they are still in the same place rooted.

I have been beat by every single class in this game with really good player . . .

So I’m really honest when I say this . . . don’t come and cry if your problem is clearly a l2p problem.

I have never seen a perma stealth die from 1 rifle shot from a warrior. The thief would need to have full zerker gears for that to happen. Retaliation got a nerf and Guardians do not have the highest health in the game, Mesmers can only destroy zerker thiefs in one shot(btw shatter is harder to land than it seems cause the phantasms are slow and thieves can use them as ammo to stealth). Elementalist mist state is pretty annoying, but the example you are stating applies on only certain circumstances. Engineers are by no means overpowered, though their conditions are killer, the turret is a elite skill with a long cooldown so before you start making counter arguments learn the other classes. I have a thief, and I can say that we are overpowered. Thieves can choose to run away from their battles at any time, but what is the point of complaining here when the developers can’t even fix bugs like the mesmers phantasmal zerker. You sir are probably a full zerker thief which is why you are complaining about dying fast and the other people who posted in this thread are pretty much admitting that thieves are overpowered. I believe that stealth needs a hard counter. The stealth trap is not stopping anyone. There needs to be a way to counter perma stealth. Thieves have high damage and they always have the option of running away.

Just make revealed to appear everytime a thief goes out from stealth.. problem solved!!

Of course first balance the out of stealth thief combat, cos our out of stealth abilities are no where as strong as our stealth abilites and except for “acrobatic tree” thieves, we are the weakest class out of stealth compared to the Others that’s the reason so many thieves prefer using stealth builds and the other specs are almost underrated.

@OP. Simple. If you like GW1 so much, go play that. This is a new game.

LOL . . . I don’t play glass canon.

We are good on roaming . . . actually the best profession.

SO?

Mesmer is good for everything, every single way to play this game.

Roaming
Dungeons,
Puzzles,
PVE,
WvW Zerks,
SPVP,
PVP

You all cry like babies just because a thief kill you in 1v1? Come one I’m not crying because no one likes thieves on CoF parties.

And yes a warrior can 1 shot kill you only if you are full glass canon, but it takes more than 10k when u r mixed zerk and valk with full SA.

All of your previuos examples with Mesmer, engineer, ele are the same as mine . . . everything in this game is circumstantial . . . . or not?

Stop complaining like a baby and know your role in the game, every class can kill any class.

Pro tip- Stun him.
GG

SoLeciTO.3490:

LOL . . . I don’t play glass canon.

We are good on roaming . . . actually the best profession.

SO?

Mesmer is good for everything, every single way to play this game.

Roaming
Dungeons,
Puzzles,
PVE,
WvW Zerks,
SPVP,
PVP

You all cry like babies just because a thief kill you in 1v1? Come one I’m not crying because no one likes thieves on CoF parties.

And yes a warrior can 1 shot kill you only if you are full glass canon, but it takes more than 10k when u r mixed zerk and valk with full SA.

All of your previuos examples with Mesmer, engineer, ele are the same as mine . . . everything in this game is circumstantial . . . . or not?

Stop complaining like a baby and know your role in the game, every class can kill any class.

Basically this.

Perma-stealth isn’t OP it’s just frustrating to play against, but it is beatable. Countering it? Try still attacking when a thief enters stealth/pushing them out of shadow refuge. Thieves aren’t invincible in stealth contrary to noobular belief.

what permastealth really offers is great scouting and low-profit trolling (such as following a group and waiting for someone to make a mistake). Neither give thieves much in terms of loot, exp or glory, but they do take time. Scouting is useful to everyone in a server, doesn’t really annoy individual players all that much, and makes the game more tactically interesting. it lets thieves play an important group role, while also requiring patience and restraint.

all of the other complaints about getting out of tough situations or doing op’d damage as a surprise, those are issues with stealth as a whole. take away perma-stealth and those would still be issues….unfortunately, as others have mentioned, they’re not really balance issues, more l2p issues.

Riellan.2590:

Assasins in gw1 did not had any stealth at all ,mesmers did not had clones and cows**t like that.Worked fine for 7 year. . .

This isn’t Guild Wars 1…They conveniently changed the 1 to a 2. From what I understand you can still play Guild Wars 1.

Why is perma stealth a big deal in PvP? They can’t cap anything while stealth…Capping the points is the goal is it not?

The complaint here is that you and 2 other people failed to kill a thief? So you did exactly what the thief wanted…By him self took 3 people out of the game because they wanted to tunnel vision a thief that was wasting there time.

" super uber korean wunderkid" Really? Not only are you going to cry but poke fun a stereotypes…

Lastly, I is not funny how people come to the Thief forums to complain about thieves…Do you not realize that all the other people not crying are playing thieves…Your just asking to get trolled…

Man, I would have stopped reading this forum long ago if all these tiers didn’t taste so great!

wish.1027:

QQ moar, your tears are delicious and increase my stealth duration.

I died. xD

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I just want to flag the majority of posts in this thread for Verbal Abuse/General Thief attitude.

It’s because we’re tired of bad players picking at a functionally-useless mechanic that seems overpowered because of the aforementioned bad.

It’s not elitism. I had my days of “omg backstab qq” too, but if half of the complaining parties calling for global nerfs would just spend a few tPvP matches/days in WvW without /ragequitting, then they would quickly learn the vast volume of counters that exist to stealth (and thieves in general).

We’re not a dying breed, but thieves need some love, and love that isn’t FotM/pidgeonholing.

I’m not trolling. WE aren’t trolling (read: most of us). I’m just tired of the lazy, self-entitled attitude in PvP that causes class/metagame stagnation, undue nerfs, and a lot of actual hardship for people who legitimately play the class.

I want Thieves to be buffed, but I also want Heartseeker to apply 25 stacks of bleed, and 10 seconds of burn to anyone annoying enough to think about using it. Honestly, in this day and age I thought the 2-monkeys were gone. It’s not even good. Just remove it so I don’t have to hear it in my nightmares anymore. The only thing people use it for is spamming Stealth finishers into immediate Backstab.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I want Thieves to be buffed, but I also want Heartseeker to apply 25 stacks of bleed, and 10 seconds of burn to anyone annoying enough to think about using it. Honestly, in this day and age I thought the 2-monkeys were gone. It’s not even good. Just remove it so I don’t have to hear it in my nightmares anymore. The only thing people use it for is spamming Stealth finishers into immediate Backstab.

Not necessarily true. It’s an excellent finisher skill to clean up after a Backstab, or a great way to nail passive damage while focusing a target.

The thing is, though, that it’s more efficient than autoattacking, so it gets spammed ad infinitum. A good remedy to this would be frontloading the Thief with a better autoattack, or increasing the damage and initiative cost of Heartseeker itself so it isn’t spammable. Or maybe reducing its damage while increasing its utility.

But a pure damage skill on initiative cost is just a dumb idea. Pure damage is what the autoattack is for, initiative skills are for utility.

I’d rather not buff Heartseeker, I’d rather make it something that requires forethought before using. Increasing initiative cost would be fine. Dagger autoattack is fine on Thief, if I can use Dagger autoattack for my main damage on Necro, a Thief certainly can too.

SharadSun.3089:

I’m not trolling. WE aren’t trolling (read: most of us). I’m just tired of the lazy, self-entitled attitude in PvP that causes class/metagame stagnation, undue nerfs, and a lot of actual hardship for people who legitimately play the class.

This sounds like an incredibly arrogant and self-entitled attitude to me. I’m equally sick of thieves such as yourself calling people baddies while they run low skill cheese builds that a monkey could learn in two days.

S/tpvp thieves are fairly balanced, but wvw thieves undoubtedly need to be brought down. The skill cap for wvw thieves is just way too low. Hopefully now that Anet is separating pve/wvw balancing, they’ll figure this out. Give them a buff for large scale fights, and bring down their small scale effectiveness.

Back on topic…my solution for perma stealth? Require a target on HS in wvw only. Would slow down d/p cheese builds and force more thieves to stay until a fight’s completion. Perma-stealth is a lot less useful in s/tpvp, so leave it alone there.

Stop cluttering our forum with constant complaints, there is a giant thread for your QQ needs no need to make a new thread.

Woohoo, here it goes again.

using gw1 as a good example is a bad idea because they were even stronger there mesmer in particular in pvp but assassin had their niche speed runs. I’m perfectly ok with them nerfing stealth as long as they give them other defensive skills to compensate for it.

I have a “perma-stealth” thief that I play and trust me, it doesn’t take much to kill me on my thief. If I make just 1 mistake, it’s pretty much over unless my target(s) is/are complete morons.

This persona guy is pretty funny. I have to break these apart just to show how hilarious his counter points are.

Persona Dude.2105:

I have never seen a perma stealth die from 1 rifle shot from a warrior. The thief would need to have full zerker gears for that to happen.

Most thieves are since they need to be in a burst build to do burst damage. If they don’t have a burst spec, their damage is usually junk. There is a good condition spec but that’s attrition spec.

Retaliation got a nerf and Guardians do not have the highest health in the game

Is that all? I was for wondering if you were going to continue that point. Your only complain is that the class with the best survivability is that is doesn’t have the highest hp pool to compliment that tankiness? That is what the game designers call a balance strategy. You’re right though, retal was nerfed, because it was disgustingly strong. A retal+burn/block guard could kill a thief without ever attacking.

Mesmers can only destroy zerker thiefs in one shot

I didn’t edit anything, this is what he said. They can only kill thieves in 1 shot. Only. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being allowed to burst hard, it’s just funny that you chose this as your argument.

Elementalist mist state is pretty annoying, but the example you are stating applies on only certain circumstances.

The circumstances where this applies is about 75% of circumstances in wvw.

Engineers are by no means overpowered, though their conditions are killer, the turret is a elite skill with a long cooldown so before you start making counter arguments learn the other classes.

Have you played an engi in pvp yet? They are god tier. If they aren’t op then I don’t know what is.

I have a thief, and I can say that we are overpowered. Thieves can choose to run away from their battles at any time, but what is the point of complaining here when the developers can’t even fix bugs like the mesmers phantasmal zerker. You sir are probably a full zerker thief which is why you are complaining about dying fast and the other people who posted in this thread are pretty much admitting that thieves are overpowered. I believe that stealth needs a hard counter. The stealth trap is not stopping anyone. There needs to be a way to counter perma stealth. Thieves have high damage and they always have the option of running away.

So according to you, all the other classes are fine at everything but thieves are overpowered because they can run away from fights when they are losing. How is that any different from anyone else who runs away when they are losing? Seriously, your logic is so bad. You even go on to say stealth needs a hard counter because no one is using the hard counter to stealth so it must be underpowered (30s revealed, so weak) and so you need yet another hard counter to stealth. There needs to be a way to counter perma stealth? USE THE FREAKING ANTI STEALTH TRAP. Seriously, what is wrong with some of these people.

You are clearly just another thief hater, why are you trying to act like you are a thief by saying we?

Riellan.2590:

Last night 3 of us tried to kill perma stealth thief ofc we fail,its easy to kill bad ones but any deacent player that does not need to be super uber korean wunderkid can go form stealth to stealth and again.We down him to 20% health -look at me im a pro stealther and his hp goes full again.Not to mention pro lame ppl that dont have balls to play class without stealth,you can forget about killing those.

Use a stealth trap. QQ less.

When will you l2p?

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