Why all the staff hate?
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Cuz it just looks silly watching a person fish for damage using the same attack over and over and over and over and over…
you get the idea
Same reason why people hate “condi cancer” each person plays in a different way and enjoy different builds. I don’t share their fun in passive play or spam 1 skill over n over. They could say the same to me because I do not use the strongest builds out there and lose to other stuff.
Fat Disgrace (banned) Man Flu Survivor – war/The Cabbage -Thief (gunners hold / [TaG])
gw1 – healing signet/frenzy/charge
gw1 – healing signet/frenzy/charge
Thieves have this unique ability that even many theives do not understand.
It is the ability through the system called initiative to use a given weapon skill 2 or more times in a row. Part of playing the thief is managing that intitiative so as to be able to do this and part of the thief playstyle is knowing when it advisable to do so.
Using the same skill several times in a row can get one killed and using it several tmes in a row can get the other person you fight against killed.
There is no greater skill involved in pressing 111 or 1 3 5 or 333 or 1 5 5. It just a number on the keyboard separated by a bit of space. There is no “greater dimension” to gameplay requiring more “skill” if I play my warrior over my thief where my warrior is limited by which buttons he presses based upon skill cooldowns.
You use the skills that will win you a given fight and if you win said fight or lose said fight based upon which buttons you pressed it entirely your business. I myself have a pp/staff build and rarely spam vault. I use stealth in the build and prefer a hook strike/vault/IS. It simply more effective. That said if some enemy is trying to revive a downed enemy, yeah I will spam vault and take them both down and could not care less what the purists think and when I am fighting a dragonhunter parked on his traps , yep I will spam unload.
I play a thief because I am limited by intitiative and not cooldowns. The last thing I am going to do on my thief is “pretend” a skill on cooldown because others might get upset. Inititave management is one of the things core to a thief and not “pressing different buttons”..
I’m pretty sure anyone who has played a thief for more than 10 seconds know they can use a skill two times in a row. I can’t take the rest of what you say seriously when you start by saying not many thieves understand that.
Apparently this not the case as the OP was being qq’ed about it.
There are also thieves on these boards that claim it “skillless” gameplay and refer to any types of builds that might spam a skill as “cancer” or will in game QQ after having lost to a spam so I disagree with your point.
What you said has nothing to do with what I said. I simply said that because of your ridiculous assumption of what others know and don’t know, I did not finish reading your post. Never once have I stated my opinion on the skill of skill “spamming”.
What I said was in response to the OP who was qq’ed about spamming vault. You responded to ME.
What I said was based upon other threads in these forums regarding the spamming of skills and QQ received in game when other THIEVES die to a spam of a given skill. I did not mention you when I made my post so the post did not apply to you. if it did not apply to you than why did you take umbrage?
If a thief has never complained about skill spam either in game or on these boards than you would have a point. Until then I stand by what I said.
You literally said that many thieves don’t know they can use a weapon skill 2 or more times. I said that’s a ridiculous assumption and did not bother to finish reading what you said because why should I when you start with such nonsense.
As to why I pointed it out? Because I hope to enlighten.You ought to look up the word sarcasm and re-read my post in its entirety. If you have never qq’ed about “spam” than there no issue is there?
It’s sarcasm now really? Why are you backtracking? And even if it was, which is not, you telling me to look up the world is laughable since you clearly don’t know what it is. If you did you would know that to accurately display sarcasm throught text is not possible.
What nonsense. of course you can display sarcasm through text. people do it all the time.
A number of studies concluded this very thing with the ability to convey and read saracasm based upon context, familiarity with a given topic , content of a statement coupled with cognitive abilities of the reader. Some people do not get “sarcasm” even when it spoken because they lack certain reasoning abilities.
So as example if I stated IN TEXT with no tone.
“It looks like the NDP will win the next election here in BC. This will mean more balanced budgets”.
People in Texas not familiar with BC Politics might read it literally.
People IN BC , knowing the NDP never had a balanced budget outside one which they cooked the books to claim as balanced would more likely understand it as sarcasm.
In GW2 if someone stated “They changed the costs of catapults in WvW. this addresses all the modes balance concerns” nearly everyone that plays WvW in GW2 would see that as sarcasm.
People that play WOW and know nothing of GW2 might read it literally.
In your first post you admitted you ignored all of my post past that first statement. This is ignoring context and content and responding in a knee jerk manner.
In a follow up post I pointed to the history of posts and of QQ by thieves in the game that critiqued players that spammed a skill and you dimsissed this content and context as not material.
Now we have another thread started with a person condemning headshot spam. Given all thieves and players for that manner should be aware that the INi system allows spam why are there these continual threads started on spamming a skill?
It is a function of the game mechanics. When I stop seeing such posts and such QQ than I will conclude people finally “get it”. Until than I will sarcastically suggest they just do not grasp the concept of Initiative over cooldown.
Nope. You really should re read the post. I just read the rest of your post after you said that apparently sarcastic comment, and the rest of it follows up on that “sarcastic” assumption. Absolutely nothing indicates it was sarcasm. Why am I supposed to give you the benefit of the doubt? If it really was intended sarcasm you would have at least said so that it was on your first reply back to me. But you did not.
Thieves have this unique ability that even many theives do not understand.
It is the ability through the system called initiative to use a given weapon skill 2 or more times in a row. Part of playing the thief is managing that intitiative so as to be able to do this and part of the thief playstyle is knowing when it advisable to do so.
Using the same skill several times in a row can get one killed and using it several tmes in a row can get the other person you fight against killed.
There is no greater skill involved in pressing 111 or 1 3 5 or 333 or 1 5 5. It just a number on the keyboard separated by a bit of space. There is no “greater dimension” to gameplay requiring more “skill” if I play my warrior over my thief where my warrior is limited by which buttons he presses based upon skill cooldowns.
You use the skills that will win you a given fight and if you win said fight or lose said fight based upon which buttons you pressed it entirely your business. I myself have a pp/staff build and rarely spam vault. I use stealth in the build and prefer a hook strike/vault/IS. It simply more effective. That said if some enemy is trying to revive a downed enemy, yeah I will spam vault and take them both down and could not care less what the purists think and when I am fighting a dragonhunter parked on his traps , yep I will spam unload.
I play a thief because I am limited by intitiative and not cooldowns. The last thing I am going to do on my thief is “pretend” a skill on cooldown because others might get upset. Inititave management is one of the things core to a thief and not “pressing different buttons”..
I’m pretty sure anyone who has played a thief for more than 10 seconds know they can use a skill two times in a row. I can’t take the rest of what you say seriously when you start by saying not many thieves understand that.
Apparently this not the case as the OP was being qq’ed about it.
There are also thieves on these boards that claim it “skillless” gameplay and refer to any types of builds that might spam a skill as “cancer” or will in game QQ after having lost to a spam so I disagree with your point.
What you said has nothing to do with what I said. I simply said that because of your ridiculous assumption of what others know and don’t know, I did not finish reading your post. Never once have I stated my opinion on the skill of skill “spamming”.
What I said was in response to the OP who was qq’ed about spamming vault. You responded to ME.
What I said was based upon other threads in these forums regarding the spamming of skills and QQ received in game when other THIEVES die to a spam of a given skill. I did not mention you when I made my post so the post did not apply to you. if it did not apply to you than why did you take umbrage?
If a thief has never complained about skill spam either in game or on these boards than you would have a point. Until then I stand by what I said.
You literally said that many thieves don’t know they can use a weapon skill 2 or more times. I said that’s a ridiculous assumption and did not bother to finish reading what you said because why should I when you start with such nonsense.
As to why I pointed it out? Because I hope to enlighten.You ought to look up the word sarcasm and re-read my post in its entirety. If you have never qq’ed about “spam” than there no issue is there?
It’s sarcasm now really? Why are you backtracking? And even if it was, which is not, you telling me to look up the world is laughable since you clearly don’t know what it is. If you did you would know that to accurately display sarcasm throught text is not possible.
What nonsense. of course you can display sarcasm through text. people do it all the time.
A number of studies concluded this very thing with the ability to convey and read saracasm based upon context, familiarity with a given topic , content of a statement coupled with cognitive abilities of the reader. Some people do not get “sarcasm” even when it spoken because they lack certain reasoning abilities.
So as example if I stated IN TEXT with no tone.
“It looks like the NDP will win the next election here in BC. This will mean more balanced budgets”.
People in Texas not familiar with BC Politics might read it literally.
People IN BC , knowing the NDP never had a balanced budget outside one which they cooked the books to claim as balanced would more likely understand it as sarcasm.
In GW2 if someone stated “They changed the costs of catapults in WvW. this addresses all the modes balance concerns” nearly everyone that plays WvW in GW2 would see that as sarcasm.
People that play WOW and know nothing of GW2 might read it literally.
In your first post you admitted you ignored all of my post past that first statement. This is ignoring context and content and responding in a knee jerk manner.
In a follow up post I pointed to the history of posts and of QQ by thieves in the game that critiqued players that spammed a skill and you dimsissed this content and context as not material.
Now we have another thread started with a person condemning headshot spam. Given all thieves and players for that manner should be aware that the INi system allows spam why are there these continual threads started on spamming a skill?
It is a function of the game mechanics. When I stop seeing such posts and such QQ than I will conclude people finally “get it”. Until than I will sarcastically suggest they just do not grasp the concept of Initiative over cooldown.
Nope. You really should re read the post. I just read the rest of your post after you said that apparently sarcastic comment, and the rest of it follows up on that “sarcastic” assumption. Absolutely nothing indicates it was sarcasm. Why am I supposed to give you the benefit of the doubt? If it really was intended sarcasm you would have at least said so that it was on your first reply back to me. But you did not.
In the body of the post that you did not bother to read by your own admittance, I stated the tendency of people to suggest that spamming a given skills is “unskilled”. I then touched on playstyle wherein ! stated I was not going to be restricted by what “Purists” think and would use a skill that most beneficial at the time even if it meant a spam. This related directly to the first part of my post. This also contradicts the first part of the post . The reason there that contradiction is the first part sarcasm. Kapiche?
You apparently have an inabilty to read in context and by your own words indicated you ignored the rest of the post. Now you are pretending it would have not made a difference.
You also suggested that all of those other topics started on “Skill Spam” (which is in fact Thief using the initiative system ) were not relevant when I referred you to them .
When a sentence has to be “explained” as being sarcasm than the point of sarcasm is lost. You obviously fall into that crowd of people that can not grasp sarcasm. . I feel no obligation to hold your hand and walk you through it especially given the fact that you admitted what I said in the rest of the post was ignored.
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Because ArenaNet made an extremely important and blatantly obvious mistake: They decided to make thief weapon skills have no recharges altogether.
Since they stick with that ‘no recharge’ nonsense, their skills can never be properly adjusted, as recharge is an extremely important fine-tuning factor. All the things that would be fixed with something like a 1-5second recharge (yes, that short) can’t be fixed at all.
Instead, they do other changes, like changes in damage, mechanics or initiative costs, which often result in skills becoming either too good, or too bad.
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