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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

From pvp/wvw perspective:

- thieves are weak. Period. The fact that only discussion in pvp forums/map chats is weither thief should stay weak because of +1 ability, only amazing (not even good) aka top 5 thieves are wanted in teams and having more than 1 thief on team is usually a los just shows how bad it is. (Just to name few reasons: other classes do more dmg, have more sustain, have more tools in one build, way lower risk and opportunity costs, better defensives and by all means not that much less moblity etc.)

- elite spec is bad and underwhelming. I could list all the reasons why but there are countless threads about it. The recent posted “changes” didn’t help the case imo. Look at all other elite specs so far (besides Tempest maybe, and even their recent changes were actually positive), our elite spec is just a joke in comparison.

- you watch POI streamed by ANet and allowed to observe how dev responsible for thieves doesn’t know the traits and by the sound of it, apprently whole thief balance is based on Ruby kicking golems in HotM.

I may be wrong, but based on this observations, i just can’t shake off a feeling that thief class is either an unpleasant chore for devs or they just want to reduce thief population in pvp/wvw to extreme minimum. Why? And how long will be thief players subject , in my opinion, to such blatant class discrimination?

Please prove me wrong or at least answer those 2 questions. If nothing radically changes untill HoT, it will be really bad for this class imo. If Anet has no plans on improving the situation i would rather just quit GW2 in peace and move on to next game.

- very frustrated, long time thief player~

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Posted by: Sweetmate.5903

Sweetmate.5903

Reading the Elite specs other classes are getting plus the new changes make me cry when I look at my Thief.

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Posted by: Sagat.3285

Sagat.3285

I’ll start the “3 more years to go” movement in this section if no real changes occur or “Thief is the new necro”. “He who knows his name” fell off he wasn’t perfect or great but past decisions were better.

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

Zero Day.2594

I’ll start the “3 more years to go” movement in this section if no real changes occur or “Thief is the new necro”. “He who knows his name” fell off he wasn’t perfect or great but past decisions were better.

We should gather up youtube videos that were made ~3 years ago during the movement.

And I still need to fix the Nerf Wish List, and try to go through and point out the ones that came true.

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Posted by: reddie.5861

reddie.5861

in PvP (sPvP) thief is amazing atleast i feel like a beast there.
sadly this build i use in sPvP is not gonna work in WvW (which i enjoy a hell alot more) so i feel lil bit of a useless toon in WvW on my Thief, i mean i dunno where to be.
back line? i cant hit a kitten
front line? im dead before i even manage to get 1 hit off with short bow.
in between 50 people? 1 rush from enemies and im the one that is dead and will get stomped.

roaming is fun yes untill i face a cele ele or a mesmer and get my kitten teared apart sadly my enemies on WvW love to roam all over the map with extreme amount of mesmers.

so ye i havent done a hell alot of WvW lately on Thief.

then again whos listing too us anyway pointless to cry on this forum just adept and move on or drop the toon on waiting list till we got looked into.
problem with anet is u cant balance a toon in PvE and PvP and WvW all these gametypes are different and require different balance..

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Posted by: Straegen.2938

Straegen.2938

GW2 should have nerfed the D/P builds or at least adjusted their method of fighting years ago. Then made nearly every other build of the thief better.

For the longest time in WvW the thief has been go D/P and gank or remain marginal in fights. There were a couple “fun” builds that could be effective in the right hands but that basically summed up where they were. This class is headed towards the old Ranger class state. Useless with a side of not needed.

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Posted by: Kocoff.7582

Kocoff.7582

When I read the sticky post about BWE feedback and i saw a good amount of Thieves thanking the dev for the changes i wanted to go on a serious rampage/ rant. Looks like you did it for me.

Compared to the other Elites, unfortunately, OP is right. All we got for this BWE feedback is " yeah we working on it". I mean Staff #2 STILL doesn’t work like Heartseeker, we got Bandit’s defense nerfed already to 15 secs.

All our other propositions got ignored. idk wtf we need to send them, but my skepticism is getting worse.

If you have the courage to keep your nerves. Read the Reaper’s BWE2 change.

All you read there is buffs, better animation, faster animation, wider aoe, CD reductions, etc.
They are turning into real monsters.

Meanwhile in our forums, you read our BWE2 Change and we got people cheering cause Bound looks less like kitten and because the dev said how he wasn’t sure if Vault should evade or not… nothing to be cheer for guys. really nothing.

That’s not progress guys, those are things that they were supposed to fix. period. no browny points for something that was expected to be done. Especially when half of the change isn’t even good news. It wasn’t even news.

OP is right about pvp and WvW. kitten it’s tough out there to be Thief. My sense are completely heightened cause I know at any moment a D/D ele is gonna mess me up, and i m going to have to Shadow refuge for the 7th time.

I like the challenge, i am actually playing for the challenge, but when you are expected to evade all those dangerous moves, I think it’s only natural to expect that I should be AT LEAST hitting as hard.

This BWE Changes post really angered me. HE completely ignored the fact that they were core problems that are obviously correlated to the elite specs.

It’s the fact that some people out there are purposefully blind to this. I mean I was very positive about this whole thing. However we got tricked by the Dev responding twice to our thread. After that he vanished, and came back with this …. who the hell calls that a change? it’s borderline insulting.

Not gonna spend 2 and a half years playing a profession just to be completely destroyed in less than 3 months.

sorry i m done. I ended up ranting I see…

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

Zero Day.2594

@Kocoff

:P Chill and play other games, follow this one along, it’s actually more amusing that way – watching from afar how things are going.

The other thing that’s clearly showing up is that specs revealed last/later are going to get less treatment (sure sucks for forge and druid, poor rangers xD) – since they’re still working on the ones revealed earlier. Yeah there will always be polish, but try to prioritize…

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Posted by: Kocoff.7582

Kocoff.7582

@Kocoff

:P Chill and play other games, follow this one along, it’s actually more amusing that way – watching from afar how things are going.

The other thing that’s clearly showing up is that specs revealed last/later are going to get less treatment (sure sucks for forge and druid, poor rangers xD) – since they’re still working on the ones revealed earlier. Yeah there will always be polish, but try to prioritize…

I am more a one game kind of guy. I go into season where I am stuck playing 1 game for months. I am just bad playing multiples, I believe it’s “unproductive” lol…

THEY BETTA FIX MA TEEF. Fell in love with D/D again, I missed using C&D against Mesmer clones…. then, I realize the current issue with Cloaked in Shadows being a GM trait….

OP is absolutely right. Everything with this profession goes back to the “Why and how long?”

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

GW2 should have nerfed the D/P builds or at least adjusted their method of fighting years ago. Then made nearly every other build of the thief better.

For the longest time in WvW the thief has been go D/P and gank or remain marginal in fights. There were a couple “fun” builds that could be effective in the right hands but that basically summed up where they were. This class is headed towards the old Ranger class state. Useless with a side of not needed.

D/p wasn’t issue, SA traits were (in wvw at least, in pvp nobody used them).
The thief class (e)nded (man dat forum censure is srsly overboard) in this miserable state because devs have 0 clue about the class (i mean watch POI, it is embrassing), done 0 testing with this class besides kicking helpless golems around HotM (if they ever actually did any testing, BS bug would have never go live) and they only listen to non-thieves complains…. what thief players ask/complain/leave feedback about doesn’t interest them (they needed almost 3 years to finally change LR). On top of it we get blatany lied to (see withdraw never implemented healing boost). As long as i played this game, this class been always discriminated as far as balance goes.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

Tool Belt Skill—Detection Pulse: Remove stealth from enemies in a large area.
On a short recharge, this toolbelt skill helps ensure that you are the one getting the drop on foes and not vice versa.

Because engis totally needed more tools vs thieves….. that weren’t able to touch engis for years now. Why all this thief hate? Why are you doing this? Why? Give me good reason please.

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Posted by: Kocoff.7582

Kocoff.7582

just waiting for bwe3 tbh… it’s going to be mission impossible.

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

just waiting for bwe3 tbh… it’s going to be mission impossible.

actually HoT gonna be worse; because they just gonna buff elite specs even more…. problem is even if they buff DrD it will be still bad because it’s core is bad and they would have to completely remake entire spec

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Posted by: Odyssey.2613

Odyssey.2613

“Hands up, Don’t Nerf.”

“Thief Lives Matter.”

The dev team has proven they can’t balance a 2×4 on a cinder block.

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Posted by: Sagat.3285

Sagat.3285

“Hands up, Don’t Nerf.”

“Thief Lives Matter.”

Ooh that’s dirty you can roleplay engi as a cop too wow.

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Posted by: Slowmelt.8547

Slowmelt.8547

“Hands up, Don’t Nerf.”

“Thief Lives Matter.”

Infraction in 3… 2… 1…

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

“Hands up, Don’t Nerf.”

“Thief Lives Matter.”

Ooh that’s dirty you can roleplay engi as a cop too wow.

A comic strip where the Devs as cops beating a Thief with a nerf baton just because they stole a Gunk from a beloved Engineer.

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