Why waste damage? When you can crit all day!

Why waste damage? When you can crit all day!

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Posted by: Hurtappl.6405

Hurtappl.6405

100% crit chance
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0MpwplOx8J8PNBPBt9AmdA4uEbYEeFFA-TFCBABQcCAqU9nzUCilyPAeCA5pPAp9HY4QAEA4A43C33hD43ff+3n/tUAjKMC-w

Achieve 80% crit chance and let your fury fill in the rest!
I chose rune of speed because i am in love with them but if you wanted more damage you could get rage
^^^benefits of rage are 100% fury uptime forsure! 10-12% more crit damage and 5% more raw damage!

I always wonder what 100 crit chance on sword would be like if you paired it with heal signet and the invigorating precision trait. Might as well take blind on stealth off and grab the regen on stealth :P if you wanna go all out.

If you dont like the precision signet as one of your utilities then swap it to what you want! Grab some precision runes like runes of the thief and you will still be golden. If you dont want to switch runes then you could always lose one of the traits in the precision line for the trait side stikes (7% more crit chance when hitting foe from side or behind) and grab a few assassin armor pieces and you are still golden!

Im too lazy to try it so I just hope someone who reads this will lol or already has!

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

You can go all out with continuous attack barrage with this. You won’t even need fury because Keen Observer will bring it to 100% and all the passive healing will keep you above 90% health.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0MpwplOx8J8PNRPRtdAEbDoXPR3/watDA-TFCBABBt/AWK/A4JAYo+AGOEAjq+DEnAgzUCGA4A43C33hD43ff+3n/tUAjKMC-w

I mean, why not?

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Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

(edited by Sir Vincent III.1286)

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Posted by: sirrealist.1360

sirrealist.1360

I’m still very new to thief (lvl33), but both of these builds look awesome.

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Posted by: Deax.1572

Deax.1572

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsaVl8Mp7pFOxyJ8PNRPRtdAEbDoXPR31watDA-TFCBABScCAwS5HAPBga2fIP9BMcIAqU9nzUCGA4A4347wB87vP/7z/WKgRFGB-w
This is what i would go with for casual pve.
Sword main for AoE, dagger main for single targets. Note that signet of Malice heals 100 per attack per ennemy hit, so if you pistol whip (9 hits) on say 3 targets that’s 2,7k hp total + you get more from critical hits and initiative used.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

Use assassins gear and Runes of the Pack. You do not need Fury at all. Take the points out of trickery and put in Acro and you have the same health and can get close to perma swiftness.

(edited by babazhook.6805)

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Posted by: doomknife.7498

doomknife.7498

The OP uses this for PVP??

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Posted by: Meryn.6875

Meryn.6875

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsaVl8Mp7pFOxyJ8PNRPRtdAEbDoXPR31watDA-TFCBABScCAwS5HAPBga2fIP9BMcIAqU9nzUCGA4A4347wB87vP/7z/WKgRFGB-w
This is what i would go with for casual pve.
Sword main for AoE, dagger main for single targets. Note that signet of Malice heals 100 per attack per ennemy hit, so if you pistol whip (9 hits) on say 3 targets that’s 2,7k hp total + you get more from critical hits and initiative used.

actually it heals for 132 (133? not sure), anet doesnt know how to edit tooltips when they change skills. The skill received a 33% healing buff AGES ago

so pistol whip could heal for 3.6k

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Posted by: Lamuness.3570

Lamuness.3570

How much are you actually hitting with these crits? Like a backstab does how much?

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Posted by: SlitheSlivier.1908

SlitheSlivier.1908

How much are you actually hitting with these crits? Like a backstab does how much?

Wondering the same thing as well as survivability.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

How much are you actually hitting with these crits? Like a backstab does how much?

Theoretically it would be the same damage as Power build without crit. Only that with high crits you have higher chances to proc “on crit” effect.

So the question is: Would the “on crit” effects be good enough to sacrifice Power or Survivability, knowing that these effect have cooldowns?

I personally think that 100% crit chance is a waste and 30% from gears (armor, food, weapons…) + 20% from Fury is enough.

One exemption, I personally find 100% crit chance useful in a large group fights due to the generous amount of support buffs. You get more bang for your bucks in this scenario with 100% crit chance.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: babazhook.6805

babazhook.6805

>>So the question is: Would the “on crit” effects be good enough to sacrifice Power or Survivability, knowing that these effect have cooldowns?

I was curious as to the effect of maxxing crits to 100 percent and then using a combination of Ghost Pepper Popper and Sigil of Strength.

Sigil of strength has a 1 second cooldown and I do not think ghost pepper popper has one at all. There a new food from dry top I have not tested yet that allows a 33 percent chance of might on crit along with 100 ferocity that I find intriguing.

With 30 percent boon duration and using a dagger storm I had my might up to 25 stacks. It does not last long but using unload I could get it to 15+ rather easily using p/p while traiting for Roll for inertia.

So there no power sacrifice whatsoever in such a setup. Base started at 2300 with 2400 armor and 20+k health once stacks figured in from wvw. Taking a minimum of even 12 stacks might and you are over 2700 power.

100 percent crit with each hit doing 200 percent damage is quite deadly.

Now as to survival. I am still working on what setup is best but you can go 2/6/0/6/0 and focus on the vitality . This gets you might on dodge and the assassins reward. Sigil of malice, one off hand sigil of blood with the other sigil of strength AND invigorating precision and there a lot of healing going on.

Ghost pepper popper is something I overlooked. At night it might be more powerful then that might stack as you can pretty well keep up constant chill with a high crit rate. That or you use the omnomberry ghost for another 375 heal on crit and lifesteal with a 1 second cooldown.

So to answer your (rhetorical) question, the sigils/foods that work best with a 100 percent crit rate, are the ones with the lowest or absent cooldowns. This coupled with rapid or AOE type attacks where you use those seconds to maximize benefit to yourself or pain to the enemy.

if you are relying on backstabs or slower attack styles you are probably better off with a lower crit rate, more survival and outright power and the proc on sigils like lightning/fire.

(edited by babazhook.6805)

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

I was curious as to the effect of maxxing crits to 100 percent and then using a combination of Ghost Pepper Popper and Sigil of Strength.

Sigil of strength has a 1 second cooldown and I do not think ghost pepper popper has one at all. There a new food from dry top I have not tested yet that allows a 33 percent chance of might on crit along with 100 ferocity that I find intriguing.

With 30 percent boon duration and using a dagger storm I had my might up to 25 stacks. It does not last long but using unload I could get it to 15+ rather easily using p/p while traiting for Roll for inertia.

So there no power sacrifice whatsoever in such a setup. Base started at 2300 with 2400 armor and 20+k health once stacks figured in from wvw. Taking a minimum of even 12 stacks might and you are over 2700 power.

Relying on buffs to increase your damage has a very bad consequences in WvW.

You can surely try it out, for the sake of curiosity, but you’ll soon understand what I meant when a Necro dropped a well on you — and there’s a lot of Well Necros out there — my Necro is one of them.

100 percent crit with each hit doing 200 percent damage is quite deadly.

Yes, that is the dream…and reality sucks because of this one aspect of the game — “survival”.

Now as to survival. I am still working on what setup is best but you can go 2/6/0/6/0 and focus on the vitality . This gets you might on dodge and the assassins reward. Sigil of malice, one off hand sigil of blood with the other sigil of strength AND invigorating precision and there a lot of healing going on.

If you’re going to go this route, two things you need to watch out for: blind and confusion.

Ghost pepper popper is something I overlooked. At night it might be more powerful then that might stack as you can pretty well keep up constant chill with a high crit rate. That or you use the omnomberry ghost for another 375 heal on crit and lifesteal with a 1 second cooldown.

Possibly. The only reason I don’t like it is the time of day requirement.

So to answer your (rhetorical) question, the sigils/foods that work best with a 100 percent crit rate, are the ones with the lowest or absent cooldowns.

Correct.

This coupled with rapid or AOE type attacks where you use those seconds to maximize benefit to yourself or pain to the enemy.

Not quite. As I mentioned above, your weakness would be blind and confusion if you go to this route. Basically I’m saying, you will need a plan B in case this fails.

if you are relying on backstabs or slower attack styles you are probably better off with a lower crit rate, more survival and outright power and the proc on sigils like lightning/fire.

Basically, is the damage you’re losing from Power can be gained from other means? You have mentioned several ways of doing so and if that completes your build, then let the fun begins.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.