Wv3 Thief builds
Both of those are bad and have bad gear placement.
Like on your pants, each point of crit damage costs 16 stats, why would you use soldiers gear on your gloves where they cost 12 stats with berserkers pants?
These are a little less EHP than I prefer, but these are what your gear setup should look like:
Ascended:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmiP3eS5E+5Ex2jeuTiy9wpGtpdFwKA-j0BBYfCiJPKrZPCilhFRjVXDT5SIS7K1SBUuwI-w
Exotic:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmiP3eS5E+5Ex2jeuTiy9wpGtpdFwKA-jkCBYLCikFBiKAM5ZRrZPBsMsIas6FYqSCp6SR2boIa1SBUuwI-w
Holy kitten! I never realized that. Thanks Wish!
How does this look now (mix ascended/exotic):
Also why did you use oil over stone for buffs? And do you have any experience with a 0/20/30/20/0 build?
It looks a lot better, I didnt think you used half ascended gear because thats what you had, I just thought thats what the build you looked at used, but I think thats what you own now, lol. Soldiers exotic back can be obtained at grenth, gw2bear or whatever can show you which temples are open on what servers, just guest and pick one up.
The next thing you switch to soldiers is weapons btw. And a knights bow isnt a bad idea if you only use it to run away, since it gives tons of toughness (which will help with running away) instead of toughness and vit (the vit wouldnt have any effect)
Oils tend to be better than stones, when using bloodlust (and you should never stack precision). Click thief in my sig and at the bottom of the post is links to threads with lots of math if youre really interested. If you want to see which will work best for you, simply dump your stats into this equation, add oils or stones, then put it into google, and see which gives a better result:
52% crit rate = .52
103% crit damage = 1.03
etc
(power + bloodluststacks + (35 * might stacks)) * ((1 * .nonecritrate) + ((1.5 + .critdamage) * .critrate)) =
do you have any experience with a 0/20/30/20/0 build?
Yes, it doesnt really kill things, but its fun to troll people with.
Thanks Wish. This makes so much sense, I feel kittened.
i run this, best build ever :p no just kitting. but its a realy good one http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmaPHdS5E+5Ey2jdqCJKuHOlR1UdFwKA-jUxAYLBx0XR0YraFRjVXjpcJiqlCwixAA-w
i run this, best build ever :p no just kitting. but its a realy good one http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmaPHdS5E+5Ey2jdqCJKuHOlR1UdFwKA-jUxAYLBx0XR0YraFRjVXjpcJiqlCwixAA-w
Seriously.
Stop.
Soldiers and berserkers gives more damage and defense than throwing on a bunch of valkyrie.
Math can be found by clicking thief in my sig and then going to the threads at the bottom of that post and reading.
using this right now, dont know what u mean but thiefs get there dmg out of backstabs and crits. so a hight crit dmg is needed for that. maybe is it just me that sucks :p build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmaPHdS5E+5Ey2jdqCJKuHOlR1UaFoJA-jkxAo+AitgSfFRjtqVENWdNmylIqGA-w
using this right now, dont know what u mean but thiefs get there dmg out of backstabs and crits. so a hight crit dmg is needed for that. maybe is it just me that sucks :p build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmaPHdS5E+5Ey2jdqCJKuHOlR1UaFoJA-jkxAo+AitgSfFRjtqVENWdNmylIqGA-w
Im talking about diminishing returns, and how crit damage isnt worth much when you start to exceed 80%. I know its a hard concept to grasp, but seriously, stop posting about your proven to be worse valkyrie setup and misleading people into making bad gear choices.
And for pitys sake… celestial gear? really? you should just stop sharing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/WvW-Thief-looking-for-some-insight/first#post2674725
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor/first#post2424729
(edited by wish.1027)
I’d personally go with Thrill of the Crime over Fleet Shadow for the Fury and Swiftness. The 5 points in Trickery help with the Initiative recovery as well.
Kynn Snagtooth [TCFM] – Tarnished Coast
Both of those are bad and have bad gear placement.
Like on your pants, each point of crit damage costs 16 stats, why would you use soldiers gear on your gloves where they cost 12 stats with berserkers pants?
These are a little less EHP than I prefer, but these are what your gear setup should look like:
Ascended:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmiP3eS5E+5Ex2jeuTiy9wpGtpdFwKA-j0BBYfCiJPKrZPCilhFRjVXDT5SIS7K1SBUuwI-w
Exotic:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmiP3eS5E+5Ex2jeuTiy9wpGtpdFwKA-jkCBYLCikFBiKAM5ZRrZPBsMsIas6FYqSCp6SR2boIa1SBUuwI-w
Hey Wish, So what is the best/most optimal gear setup for the D/D thief meta using ascended gear? could you give me a gw2build link to it?
Also I notice you use Runes of Traveler on your recent builds. Have you proven that Runes of Traveler is better than Runes of Divinity? Because I have full runes of divinity on my gear.
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“the cutest thief on FA”
Wish I’d like to know your advice on Scholar runes using a 0/30/30/10/0 build vs a 10/30/30/0/0 build and using Traveler runes. You lose 165 power and 10% extra damage from your opening strike.. for that extra 25% movement speed. Am I missing something?
using this right now, dont know what u mean but thiefs get there dmg out of backstabs and crits. so a hight crit dmg is needed for that. maybe is it just me that sucks :p build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmaPHdS5E+5Ey2jdqCJKuHOlR1UaFoJA-jkxAo+AitgSfFRjtqVENWdNmylIqGA-w
Im talking about diminishing returns, and how crit damage isnt worth much when you start to exceed 80%. I know its a hard concept to grasp, but seriously, stop posting about your proven to be worse valkyrie setup and misleading people into making bad gear choices.
And for pitys sake… celestial gear? really? you should just stop sharing.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/WvW-Thief-looking-for-some-insight/first#post2674725
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor/first#post2424729
before saying i need to stop sharing, u need to now that i’m still buildcrafting a perfect buid. somthing like your mug one but tryong to get 100%crit dmg and same amount of other stats like your build armor2600 attack 3100 etc. but still working on it. i’m still trying all sort of builds out. so all builds i post are builds that i try and play to look if they are good. when my final build is done i will PM it to u. and i’m gone use your build to.
voila my theory crafted build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQRAoY8YlUmiO3ey5E/5Ey2jdqCJKuHGVS1UaFoJA-j0DBoLRGfBE3BgsI0EBQUBA5cIJPZN7RQsqpIas6aYKXCqaXJ2eTIyiWrGA-w
(edited by Pwnzor.5682)
well got it om buildcraft. and my build still does more dmg. a bid less survival but with the celestial daggers i get 80 healingpower extra so that gives more healing in stealth etc.
u are more defencive so its near impossible to do more dmg and be suvrival at same time
EDIT if u compair builds do it without food are with the same food.. u are using the most expacive food..
Wish I’d like to know your advice on Scholar runes using a 0/30/30/10/0 build vs a 10/30/30/0/0 build and using Traveler runes. You lose 165 power and 10% extra damage from your opening strike.. for that extra 25% movement speed. Am I missing something?
The benefits of using Travelers is that it frees up a extra slot if using SoS. With a free utility, you can add in an Assassin’s Signet (180 power +10% dmg of first 5 attacks) if you want to make up the loss damage of scholar. Or you can go pick up another stun breaker which is never a bad thing, especially when fighting 2 people (as one stun, knockdown, fear can quickly kill you, and almost certainly when a zerg rolls on top of you ). Or select whatever else you like or something your your group needs =]
Wish I’d like to know your advice on Scholar runes using a 0/30/30/10/0 build vs a 10/30/30/0/0 build and using Traveler runes. You lose 165 power and 10% extra damage from your opening strike.. for that extra 25% movement speed. Am I missing something?
The benefits of using Travelers is that it frees up a extra slot if using SoS. With a free utility, you can add in an Assassin’s Signet (180 power +10% dmg of first 5 attacks) if you want to make up the loss damage of scholar. Or you can go pick up another stun breaker which is never a bad thing, especially when fighting 2 people (as one stun, knockdown, fear can quickly kill you, and almost certainly when a zerg rolls on top of you ). Or select whatever else you like or something your your group needs =]
Right now I’m running scholar and Assassins. I really love the backstab damage. But I’m trying to transition over to D/D and use traveler so that way I can run Blinding powder/shadow refuge and Shadowstep. It’d make me almost untouchable w/ tanky specs. But I’ll see if I like damage more; who knows.
well got it om buildcraft. and my build still does more dmg. a bid less survival but with the celestial daggers i get 80 healingpower extra so that gives more healing in stealth etc.
Power 2174 Precision 1832 Crit Damage 122%
Power 2166 Precision 1924 Crit Damage 92%
Now that we know some stats, lets fight a 2700 armor person, and check the damage on some of our skills….
Your Lotus Strike
(981 * (2174 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .5) + ((1.5 + 1.22) * .5)) * 0.847) / 2700 =
1507.7084484
My Lotus Strike
((981 * (2166 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .48) + ((1.5 + .92) * .52)) * 0.847) / 2700) + (650 * .66 * .52) =
1627.94013401
Your CnD
(981 * (2174 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .5) + ((1.5 + 1.22) * .5)) * 1.624) / 2700 =
2890.8128928
My CnD
((981 * (2166 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .48) + ((1.5 + .92) * .52)) * 1.624) / 2700) + (650 * .66 * .52) =
2916.69612471
Your Lotus Strike
(981 * (2174 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .5) + ((1.5 + 1.22) * .5)) * 0.847) / 2700 =
My Lotus Strike
((981 * (2166 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .48) + ((1.5 + .92) * .52)) * 0.847) / 2700) + (650 * .66 * .52) =
Your Lotus Strike
(981 * (2174 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .5) + ((1.5 + 1.22) * .5)) * 0.847) / 2700 =
My Lotus Strike
((981 * (2166 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .48) + ((1.5 + .92) * .52)) * 0.847) / 2700) + (650 * .66 * .52) =
Your Lotus Strike
(981 * (2174 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .5) + ((1.5 + 1.22) * .5)) * 0.847) / 2700 =
My Lotus Strike
((981 * (2166 + 250 + (35 * 6)) * ((1 * .48) + ((1.5 + .92) * .52)) * 0.847) / 2700) + (650 * .66 * .52) =
I started to write out a bunch of comparisons, then I stopped caring because this is taking to long. Believe what you want, i dont care anymore.
wish i like what u’r doing but i really dont know man :o i dont like just numbers that prove its better. i will test your build out i like it. but its d-d :p i forgot that i’m using dagger pistol all the time.. i hope it works to
i will test your build out
My posts are not about builds (weapon choices, trait selection, rune/sigil/food choices made for reasons other than DPS and stat point distribution)
Theyre about the gear setup (which armor pieces you use, what stats they have, what sigils/runes/food you use if theyre only used to increase DPS)
I would never put someone down for their build, except the parts theyre only doing for DPS if better ways to increase DPS exist, since that is all about playstyle and the things you like to do. Gear choices however can be made correctly or incorrectly, and we will never have a good community if people continue to advertise incorrect gear setups.
The first one is awful… second one is ok
Ranger//Necro