Guild Wars 2

In my opinion, Yishis’s best commentary Thief video yet. Among his usual great commentary, in this video he touches on how to deal with a well played D/D Elementalist.

Boulderbolg.3460:

In my opinion, Yishis’s best commentary Thief video yet. Among his usual great commentary, in this video he touches on how to deal with a well played D/D Elementalist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XubClqLgJnY

No longer posible after March 26. Good video good play. RIP.

It’s a good video, also very informative.

Too bad a lot of the staying power comes from the occasional CnD > CnD combo which is going to be nerfed…

That said, it should provide some evidence to those people who keep saying “The only people who are going to be affected by the nerf are those that only CnD spam” as it’s just a tool in the thieves kit for a lot of thieves rather than a cheap trick to be exploited only by the lowest skill player.

The fact that he can use whirlwind axe in front of 2 warrior for 3 seconds without getting hitted or CC’ed , show the quality of the oponents he chose to record against.

Rayya.2591:

The fact that he can use whirlwind axe in front of 2 warrior for 3 seconds without getting hitted or CC’ed , show the quality of the oponents he chose to record against.

To be fair, a lot of his opponents were upleveled (Most of the warriors were, he infact knows this when he states stuff like “I’ll focus the 2 warriors first because they’re upleveled and take a lot of damage”

It is an good reason to be unable to determinate how good he really is.
Yes he moves good, time his stealth skills good, but you cannot know how he fights under presure , since he only recorded easy fights

As someone that plays with Yishis a lot I can tell you he is one of the best thieves I have played with. I’ve watched him pull off some crazy stuff whilst I lay dead on the ground and other thieves have either died or fled.

There are a few fights in this video that I would argue are not “easy fights”, particularly the D/D Ele fight.

I would say Yishis fights well “under pressure” but I think he’d also be the first to tell you that his whole thief playstyle revolves around timing his stealthes so he’s rarely ever visible and taking out squishy targets quickly so that he doesn’t get pressured too much. I’ve always thought it was a smart game plan. I know that the upcoming changes may alter the viability of his build/playstyle but I still find these sorts of clips entertaining to watch. Hopefully others do too.

I do wonder – he relied on CnD spam multiple times to stay permastealth for recovery, and that “tool” (read as “crutch”) will be lost. What will he use instead? Change traits for dodges? Drop SoS for another stealth utility for powder? Curious. But then to be honest, I doubt he will not be terribly affected – he’s not the burst and run builds that rely on the permastealth waiting for a target to 25/30/0/0/15 (or close iteration) burst – he is aggressive and has the same affect as he would have in most cases anyways. The culling removal is likely to have a bigger affect on him. =d

he will still be able to do that, in US there are many Europeans /assians , australians with 350 + latency. As you noticed none even bothered to dodge his CnD on the movie, or to track him stealthed with auto attack chain.
He will be affected but not more then other builds.

Drawing Guy.3701:

I do wonder – he relied on CnD spam multiple times to stay permastealth for recovery, and that “tool” (read as “crutch”) will be lost. What will he use instead? Change traits for dodges? Drop SoS for another stealth utility for powder? Curious. But then to be honest, I doubt he will not be terribly affected – he’s not the burst and run builds that rely on the permastealth waiting for a target to 25/30/0/0/15 (or close iteration) burst – he is aggressive and has the same affect as he would have in most cases anyways. The culling removal is likely to have a bigger affect on him. =d

Can you tell me how to perma stealth with 25/30/0/015? I would really like to see that as I can only CnD maybe 2-3 times before I have to wait for init regen…

skupuz.6940:

Drawing Guy.3701:

I do wonder – he relied on CnD spam multiple times to stay permastealth for recovery, and that “tool” (read as “crutch”) will be lost. What will he use instead? Change traits for dodges? Drop SoS for another stealth utility for powder? Curious. But then to be honest, I doubt he will not be terribly affected – he’s not the burst and run builds that rely on the permastealth waiting for a target to 25/30/0/0/15 (or close iteration) burst – he is aggressive and has the same affect as he would have in most cases anyways. The culling removal is likely to have a bigger affect on him. =d

Can you tell me how to perma stealth with 25/30/0/015? I would really like to see that as I can only CnD maybe 2-3 times before I have to wait for init regen…

I’ve played that build as a thief, and with a combination of CnD and heal/utilities, had runs of over 20 seconds of perma-stealth. Durations like this is more than enough to lair in zergs, especially considering I don’t even have to try to keep it perfectly stacked with culling to help. No, it’s not infinite perma-stealth, but you don’t need that for picking off 1vX fights – you have more than enough to run away with and reach a hide point, which is all you care about with this build anyways. If you’re keep lairing or whatever, there are build options for that too (though not as easy since they took off wall hitting CnD)

Drawing Guy.3701:

skupuz.6940:

Drawing Guy.3701:

I do wonder – he relied on CnD spam multiple times to stay permastealth for recovery, and that “tool” (read as “crutch”) will be lost. What will he use instead? Change traits for dodges? Drop SoS for another stealth utility for powder? Curious. But then to be honest, I doubt he will not be terribly affected – he’s not the burst and run builds that rely on the permastealth waiting for a target to 25/30/0/0/15 (or close iteration) burst – he is aggressive and has the same affect as he would have in most cases anyways. The culling removal is likely to have a bigger affect on him. =d

Can you tell me how to perma stealth with 25/30/0/015? I would really like to see that as I can only CnD maybe 2-3 times before I have to wait for init regen…

I’ve played that build as a thief, and with a combination of CnD and heal/utilities, had runs of over 20 seconds of perma-stealth. Durations like this is more than enough to lair in zergs, especially considering I don’t even have to try to keep it perfectly stacked with culling to help. No, it’s not infinite perma-stealth, but you don’t need that for picking off 1vX fights – you have more than enough to run away with and reach a hide point, which is all you care about with this build anyways. If you’re keep lairing or whatever, there are build options for that too (though not as easy since they took off wall hitting CnD)

Based on the context you used “perma-stealth” I too have it in my 0/0/0/0/0 build!

Did he say in his comments he’s a keyboard turner and his thumb presses all the skills, far out, impressive

Thanks for all the comments, glad people have enjoyed.

Regarding the upcoming changes to stealth (revealed after all stealth): I plan to try out my existing spec and adapt if possible. However, it is certainly true that the change – if implemented in the form the devs mentioned – will pretty drastically affect the staying power of this spec. I don’t C&D spam, but I do sometimes use C&D 2-3 times in a row defensively if needed (for example, if a zerg rolls on top of the fight I’m in and I need an escape, if I want an extra blind on my target, etc.).

While the change doesn’t make me happy, I trust the devs to make whatever decision they deem necessary for the enjoyment of all players. I personally would prefer the nerf not to affect defensive staying power so drastically, instead wishing the C&D offensive power could just be toned down (drop C&D damage completely if needed, I don’t care nearly as much about it’s damage – that’s just a bonus). Or, take it a step further and reduce all damage output for X seconds if stealth is chained too repeatedly.

Regardless, I’m sure thief will live on fine through the change. I hope that any changes, along with culling fix, will boost the respect of the thief as I love the overall class concept.

To adapt, I may experiment with less points in SA (as shadow rejuvenation regen will be hit quite hard) and opt for more points in acrobatics for more evading capabilities. I may also use an off-hand pistol for my 2nd weapon set as it can stack a longer duration stealth then C&D.

bomber.1540:

Did he say in his comments he’s a keyboard turner and his thumb presses all the skills, far out, impressive

Not a keyboard turner – I use A/D for strafing (not turning) while turning with my mouse. My thumb presses all my main weapon skills, shift evades, utilities are 1-5. Thumb gives me greater control of the abilities I need most immediately.

Sounds like this bro is the Osicat of thieves

Very nice video as usual. But let’s be honest, it’s impressive how bad most wvw players are.

Fjandi.2516:

Very nice video as usual. But let’s be honest, it’s impressive how bad most wvw players are.

Yeah, there does seem to be an abundance of players who prefer to “zerg” in large groups. I think this definitely has a an effect on how well a player performs in small skirmishes. A lot of that also has to do with zerg specs, but the more people zerg, the less they can handle themselves against a good solo/small group player.

I this it’s a product of the game though. DAoC encouraged solo and small group player through the mechanics of the game. This game doesn’t do that unfortunately.

Yishis first time i watched one of of your vids i was lvling my baby lil asura thief. I based my build and gear off urs even, except i went a lil glassier with the gear xD.Your videos are awesome man u truly showed me how to wvw roam, and because of you i have gotten many compliments on my roaming skills. I not only wanted to say thank you, but to encourage anyone who hates on your videos to do the same thing and show us them doing it. Its not easy to fight amongst zergs or defend a keep against a zerg and still take 15 plus or w/e u did in that “keep defense video”. The changes to stealth will suck but true d/d thieves will still be here. I dont need perma stealth to kill you,if u cant live through that short of a debuff to get your next CnD off….reroll. sorry for ranting basically just wanted to say keep up the good work with the videos they are awesome.

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Impressive, not gonna lie though, a lot of the players were pretty horrid. Especially that ones that would continue to revive while you’re hacking away at them ._.

The power of the 0/30/30/10/0 build.
Goodnight, sweet prince.