[build] D/D backstab w/ use of venom|WvW

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

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Build
:http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlUmCNXay9E/5Ex2jeuTi6VAsaPopNbJA-jEDBYfDaE9DhgAksII0HQUBYpPFRjtMsIas6aYKXER1GcLr2iOQCBIYMA-w

Notes
This is a solo roaming build, but of course it’s still a great build to use when you have a group too!

Weapons
You don’t have to have ascended weapons to run this build, exotics are fine. You should still have around 40-42% crit chance with exotics. D/D is what you will be using to fight, your SB is only for escaping, it’s more of a utility.

Armor
I use valkyrie armor for the extra survivability, and i get more power from the Sharpening Stone because i have more vitality, precision from berserker armor isn’t a must since you already have 40-44% crit chance, and a 100% crit chance when you’re in stealth (100% crit backstabs all the time every time).

Sigils & Runes
I always use superior sigil of fire and it should be used for this build, however you don’t have to have superior sigil of bloodlust for this build, i often swap between using Superior sigil of bloodlust, Superior sigil of force, and Superior sigil of the night.

Why do i use runes of the traveler in place of runes of divinity? I prefer having the extra utility slot to use on something else rather than having divinity runes and 1 less utility slot, runes of the traveler are key to this build, if you don’t use them you’ll either be 25% slower(you don’t want that when your trying to backstab someone), lose a venom, or lose shadow refuge which you want in case you need to stomp someone or if you need a safe escape.

Accessories
berserker is a must, you need the crit damage, crit chance, as well as the extra power, however infusions aren’t a big deal, it’s up to you on what infusions you’d like to use, but i recommend vitality or precision infusions

Food
If you can’t afford this food you can always get Hardened sharpening stones and Plate of Roast Meat with Braised Leeks instead, you can also swap Plate of Orrian Steak Frittes for Bowl of Sweet and Spicy Butternut Squash Soup if you’d rather have more crit damage then a little less power and less vitality

utilities
the two venoms are key to this build, and they are the most damaging venoms, and shadow refuge is key for extra survivability/escape/stomping, but if you aren’t using runes of the travaler then make sure you have signet of shadows on. I take basilisk venom when I 1v1, and when i’m fighting a group of people i take daggerstorm for reflection and stability

comparison to meta backstab build
D/D with venoms has more damage, less survivability (due to venoms > Shadow Step & Blinding Powder). It also has less initiative regeneration which can be a pain for re-stealthing with cloak and dagger. It also has more condition damage. the venoms also really help, due to the vulnerability and weakness, aswell as torment and poison that makes their healing a lot less helpful to them.

P.S. I’m just experimenting with this build, so it might not be perfected yet. Also i’d love some feedback.

Alovedhater
Anvil Rock
(the dead server :c)

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

Viking Jorun.5413

Did I duel you earlier today? Mara Lyss of GoM here. It’s a pretty interesting build, but I feel it’s weak without food (I beat you the first time we 1v1’d and you weren’t running food, but the second time when it was a proper duel you ran food iirc). I feel like most people front load their venoms into one burst, but you do a nice job cycling them. Keep it up! Are you planning on running the new heal with it?

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

aLovedhater.4096

yeah you did :p i was using a diffrerent-ish build then. i think this one is a bit better and it isn’t that weak without food, but you need it for the crit chance, and you could always just replace some of the valkyrie gear with berserker gear and take different food. my last build had venom siphon so it would’ve been a waste of 1200 healing to blow it early, so that’s why i conserved it :p but for this build you don’t need have to save it. it’s problably better to use use it early so it can can come back up later in the fight, since it’s a 36s cooldown. and i just recently heard about the new heal, if it does involve being a venom then it will have a much shorter cooldown with the trait i’m running of 20% less cd, but idk how good it is yet, or even if it’s worth running. and thanks

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

aLovedhater.4096

Also, on the update post they were talking about making it so initiative regeneration didn’t depend of initiative regen traits, which this build doesn’t have, this this build would further benefit from that too.

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

aLovedhater.4096

forget what i said about the food.. thought it was precision food for some reason, and you dont need the food, it’s just helpful liek every food

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Posted by: Arikyali.5804

Arikyali.5804

That looks like a fun build. But I’d be worried about not carrying any stunbreakers. What exactly do you use for escape?

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

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i actually swap between shadow refuge and shadowstep occasionally, or i just dodge it.
having weakness on one of your venoms also helps reduce the dmg, but mostly i try to avoid it/take shadowstep in place of shadow refuge. but yeah it does suck you don’t really have a stunbreaker if you take shadow refuge

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Posted by: messiah.1908

messiah.1908

pls explain why you choose conditions venom which does only 1500 dmg in 7 seconds by torment and spider which does 3500 dmg in 40 seconds
in power d/d set maybe devourer would be much helpful to immobilize or even ice drake which chill so slower movement and increase in icd of skills by 66%
as in 1v1 you want the fight to be the fastest as you dont have much defense skills

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Posted by: Arikyali.5804

Arikyali.5804

I wanted to sound nice but I can’t. T

This is a kittenty trashy build.

Please close thread.

Welllll it’s not that bad.

I tweaked it a bit. How’s this? http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoYVlYmCNXay2E/5Exmid2TPFftraPwZLjJA-jUDBYfRD9DBBMgkFI0HQEBgUBY0BApPFRjtMsIas6aYKXER1mzFRrWIABjBA-w

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Posted by: messiah.1908

messiah.1908

sry still dont like it but this is me
uncatchable wont be useful with low vigor

trap for what? every 30 seconds to immobilize as you want the fight to be over by 10 seconds with low armor and low health

try it and tell us how u manage

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Posted by: Arikyali.5804

Arikyali.5804

sry still dont like it but this is me
uncatchable wont be useful with low vigor

trap for what? every 30 seconds to immobilize as you want the fight to be over by 10 seconds with low armor and low health

try it and tell us how u manage

Eh, I’m sure there’s someone somewhere who can pull off a poison-based build.

But looking at it more, I think it’s better suited for PvE.

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

aLovedhater.4096

@messiah, i don’t take devourer venom for 1v1s because i already have basilisk venom, and if you wanted a chill conition that bad, then you could always take reaper of grenth. you are already fast because you have runes of the traveler, so you dont need chill conditions too, and you’re defense skills/escape utils are shadow refuge/shadowstep if you want to take that in place of shadow refuge, cloak and dagger, and your heal, as well as your SB/heartseeker for a quick escape. i hope i answered your question, i was a bit confused on what you were asking

@Mlrra you’re obviously not trying to be nice if you called it trash and are telling me to close the thread just because you don’t like the build. stop being toxic, thanks (:

@ Arikyali i’m not very fond of taking traps and caltrops when i solo roam or at all on a thief, but that’s personal preference, i also dont liek the 7% chance to proc initiative regain on skill one just because it’s such a low chance, and you wont be throwing in auto attacks consistently when you’re backstabing then at a slow pace, but thats just my thoughts. and i dont like vulnerability just because your crit chance is already 40-44% and it’s only 33% chance to proc a vulnerability after that, i also think quick venoms are essential to this build since you will have 2-3 of them at least …

hope i answered your questions guys and gals!

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Posted by: aLovedhater.4096

aLovedhater.4096

@Mlrra also, i would love to hear why you think it’s such a bad build and how you would change it, otherwise i’m going to assume you didn’t read any of the post and are just a troll that’s seeking attention :p