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http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much but will help classes variety in tpvp.

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

musu.9205:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer ( good mesmers can beat thiefs too) , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much ( why u want to change it then) but will help classes variety in tpvp ( not rly).

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

BlackDevil.9268:

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

F1 can’t be spammed.

Sigh… so embarassing from Black Devil. On second thought… nvm, with 6 in trickery and SoH it’s “only” 21s cd. For a thief that equals pretty much spammable guys, whatever. Heck, it’s 35s cd with 0 in trickery. Imbalanced indeed. I think the most logical thing to do to balance this situation is buff warrior hammer skills, maybe rework Dhuumfire to work on all autoattacks and nerf ranger pet hp with 30%.

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Any good thief will dodge roll as soon as you he see’s you walking obviously over to refuge for the i-wave counter

Wow, I have so much problems with Mesmer, I can hardly count thieves as a hard counter to Mes, yet everyone says they are. But if you’re telling me to bring a set like SA : x/D into PvP you’ve got another thing coming to you. It’s such a selfish build to be running in pvp. Assuming this isn’t for PvP, can one show me videos of this high level thief play vs. a good mesmer? Outside of chain CnD’ing, I feel like there’s nothing I can do against them.

This is not a reply of “You guys don’t know wtf you’re talking about”, rather, I’m trying to L2P because Mesmers, Necros, and Engies give me the MOST problems. Wth am I doing wrong?

musu.9205:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much but will help classes variety in tpvp.

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

lol. That made my day. Thanks.

It’s really hard to interrupt a 1s casting time skill using a homing projectiles that looks like you.

EDIT:

…or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

My whole week is made.

Lamuness.3570:

Wow, I have so much problems with Mesmer, I can hardly count thieves as a hard counter to Mes, yet everyone says they are. But if you’re telling me to bring a set like SA : x/D into PvP you’ve got another thing coming to you. It’s such a selfish build to be running in pvp. Assuming this isn’t for PvP, can one show me videos of this high level thief play vs. a good mesmer? Outside of chain CnD’ing, I feel like there’s nothing I can do against them.

This is not a reply of “You guys don’t know wtf you’re talking about”, rather, I’m trying to L2P because Mesmers, Necros, and Engies give me the MOST problems. Wth am I doing wrong?

Because outside of chaining CnD and looking for opportunities to open up and don’t smash clones instead of mesmer because of super kittened single target attacks… there is not much else you can do.

New definition of SPAM

spam- any skill , utility ability or trait used by the thief class in GW2.

Spam steal? I am getting to the point where as soon as I see the word SPAM in a post I ignore the rest of said post as nonsense.

The best was the thread on lyssa rune spam by warriors and thieves

Karolis.4261:

Lamuness.3570:

Wow, I have so much problems with Mesmer, I can hardly count thieves as a hard counter to Mes, yet everyone says they are. But if you’re telling me to bring a set like SA : x/D into PvP you’ve got another thing coming to you. It’s such a selfish build to be running in pvp. Assuming this isn’t for PvP, can one show me videos of this high level thief play vs. a good mesmer? Outside of chain CnD’ing, I feel like there’s nothing I can do against them.

This is not a reply of “You guys don’t know wtf you’re talking about”, rather, I’m trying to L2P because Mesmers, Necros, and Engies give me the MOST problems. Wth am I doing wrong?

Because outside of chaining CnD and looking for opportunities to open up and don’t smash clones instead of mesmer because of super kittened single target attacks… there is not much else you can do.

1. dodge izerker
2. PBAoE clusterbombs
3.???
4. profit!

Sir Vincent III.1286:

musu.9205:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much but will help classes variety in tpvp.

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

lol. That made my day. Thanks.

It’s really hard to interrupt a 1s casting time skill using a homing projectiles that looks like you.

EDIT:

…or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

My whole week is made.

You mean a good thief will steal a mesmer then doing nothing but use that stolen skill first ,are you drunk?
please i’m not talking about how to balance game around good mesmer and bad thief ok ?
I came here to discuss , then u guys basically saw a nerf then went so mad .
Could we stop things like those.
I said i know a lot of complains and haters post towards to thief , but change to this skill just give mesmer more chance to face thief ?
whats wrong with you guys?

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

You do realize that the I wave doesn’t push us out because we dodge inside the refuge right? Not because we have stability.

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

I don’t know you are trolling or whatever , but as a shatter mesmer , if you really even don’t know stability is usually last boon in order of boon removal (and lets say you could hit 6 shatter in a row stability will still be there but if you could land all those shatter thief will just die , reality is you hardly do that to a good thief , otherwise no one could say thief counters mesmer)then maybe you should play something like mm necro ?

musu.9205:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

musu.9205:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much but will help classes variety in tpvp.

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

lol. That made my day. Thanks.

It’s really hard to interrupt a 1s casting time skill using a homing projectiles that looks like you.

EDIT:

…or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

My whole week is made.

You mean a good thief will steal a mesmer then doing nothing but use that stolen skill first ,are you drunk?
please i’m not talking about how to balance game around good mesmer and bad thief ok ?
I came here to discuss , then u guys basically saw a nerf then went so mad .
Could we stop things like those.
I said i know a lot of complains and haters post towards to thief , but change to this skill just give mesmer more chance to face thief ?
whats wrong with you guys?

I totally agree!

Because you’re talking about balancing the game around BAD Mesmers and GOOD Thieves.

That’s why it’s funny.

Roxx.8713:

musu.9205:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Plasma

I know this forum is so tired of all those thief haters’ post .But since thief highly counters mesmer ( good mesmers can beat thiefs too) , removals of aegis or stability won’t affect thief itself that much ( why u want to change it then) but will help classes variety in tpvp ( not rly).

(Anet could nerf it only in tpvp ,so please don’t start "pu mesmer ")

so why we don’t just nerf thief for god sake of no reason . because you know , a good thief will beat anything anyway who needs balance ?
could we don’t be so ridiculous ?
It won’t change the situation where thief faces other classes but it will help mesmer against thief .So it will slightly help mesmer in high rank pvp (portal carried this entire class no matter what build you are running ). Making mesmer more viable in tpvp is something broken to you ?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Because you’re talking about balancing the game around BAD Mesmers and GOOD Thieves.

That’s why it’s funny.

Ok , give me a name of so called good mesmers who actually think thief isnt counter to mesmer?
just give me a name .
It is a fact every pvp player is knowing.

could we discuss the topic if you don’t agree change say so and explain .
stop saying
“I’m good you are bad I’m good you are bad ,I’m good you are bad "
that’s so childish .

oZii.2864:

The best was the thread on lyssa rune spam by warriors and thieves

Lyssa rune was too strong (if you really hate to someone use word "overpowered ").But nothing to do with spamming . People usually cry something spamming they just think those stuff are too easy to use and high rewarding .Yes , players shouldn’t be so exaggerated , but many things are understandable .
You could disagree , but if fighting each other for some usage of certain words is so fun for you , we should turn all balance topic to balance semantics?

musu.9205:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Because you’re talking about balancing the game around BAD Mesmers and GOOD Thieves.

That’s why it’s funny.

Ok , give me a name of so called good mesmers who actually think thief isnt counter to mesmer?
just give me a name .
It is a fact every pvp player is knowing.

One thing I can tell you, I’m not a very good Mesmer since I main Thief, but it would take a very good Thief to beat me when using my Mesmer.

That is enough reason for me to believe that your premise is based on a wrong information.

If you want a discussion, make sure that your information is accurate first, otherwise, well, you can see the result of that.

BlackDevil.9268:

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

The reason why thieves have a better game against mesmers is not because of consume plasma.

Chicago Jack.5647:

BlackDevil.9268:

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

The reason why thieves have a better game against mesmers is not because of consume plasma.

Sure , but could we change it to give mesmer more chance against thief.
It’s not most important thing ,but since it’s pretty easy to do without rebalance a lot of things which may lead more problem and take more work and time .

Another note ,actually I don’t mind some thief spec counters mesmer(game isn’t balanced around 1v1 but for roam role 1v1 does count much ), right now it’s a serious reason not to bring mesmer (since they are same role and almost everything mesmer can do is inferior to thief except portal ).
There are a lot anet could do to fix it , they could buff mesmer for more teamfight value and sustain , or add more aoe and less single target weapon skills for mesmer or change thief a lot . But over a year anet still considers clone as main damage mitigation for mesmer and gave us stupid pu which is face roll 1v1 build where mesmer don’t need a buff but useless for teamfight (It should be anyway ).

I suggest what i could and see if it will work. And i prefer those little changes over time than significant changes (I’m look at you rune of strength)

musu.9205:

Chicago Jack.5647:

BlackDevil.9268:

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

The reason why thieves have a better game against mesmers is not because of consume plasma.

Sure , but could we change it to give mesmer more chance against thief.

Most Stolen skills are intended to provide help against the spec the thieves are fighting.

This aside, in a “pure” 1v1, Power Mesmers (Shatter, Interrupt, Phantasm) vs Power Thieves (D/P Trickery, S/D, S/P) is not “that” obvious. The reason thieves counter mesmers in a PvP match is because mesmers are “forced” to use Portal (and/or IoL) to really be of use in any high end PvP match; not to mention that they have less ports than thieves, meaning that a thief could easily jump on the mesmer whenever he wants during a teamfight, locking him down really fast.

But, as I said before, in a “pure” 1v1, most mesmer’s specs do have the potential to beat any kind of thief’s spec. Sure, it’s not easy, but it’s quite doable if you manage it.

And Consume Plasma is fine as it is.

I’m speaking from both a thief AND a mesmer perspective, as I’ve played both for a long time.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

musu.9205:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Because you’re talking about balancing the game around BAD Mesmers and GOOD Thieves.

That’s why it’s funny.

Ok , give me a name of so called good mesmers who actually think thief isnt counter to mesmer?
just give me a name .
It is a fact every pvp player is knowing.

One thing I can tell you, I’m not a very good Mesmer since I main Thief, but it would take a very good Thief to beat me when using my Mesmer.

That is enough reason for me to believe that your premise is based on a wrong information.

If you want a discussion, make sure that your information is accurate first, otherwise, well, you can see the result of that.

Experience is subject , and i think we all agree so called accurate information should be object fact .
You just said your personal experience and belief are accurate , I’m arguing with a computer?
And i will give you a fact , thief counters mesmer due to mesmers heavily rely on single target skill which means thief stealth , blind and overall better blink skills could prevent mesmer using it’s core mechanism.Also they fit same role for tpvp which requires good 1v1 ability and high mobility .
I wish you could understand all above instead just arguing for sake of argument .

hihey.1075:

Most Stolen skills are intended to provide help against the spec the thieves are fighting.

I do think they are , but right now they are not .And Consume Plasma does affect. Also i prefer little changes over time thats why i posted this .

hihey.1075:

This aside, in a “pure” 1v1, Power Mesmers (Shatter, Interrupt, Phantasm) vs Power Thieves (D/P Trickery, S/D, S/P) is not “that” obvious. The reason thieves counter mesmers in a PvP match is because mesmers are “forced” to use Portal (and/or LoL) to really be of use in any high end PvP match; not to mention that they have less ports than thieves, meaning that a thief could easily jump on the mesmer whenever he wants during a teamfight, locking him down really fast.

This I totally agree , but some changes will help mesmer a little bit before we rework a lot of stuff .This one i consider is the least nerf to thief and only help mesmers .
Otherwise we would love Riot balance team for LoL ?
Btw before s/d thief buff mesmer had best boon removal on a viable build when necro was not that good as they are now.
Actually I’m playing gs/staff CI build I do have higher chance against thief even with portal(for my rank rate ,many thieves are not that good tho).

And i really appreciate your response ,you actually explain and do have valid point. Most comments here are not so much.Thank you.

I doubt you’ve played pvp much before the patch then, because with the old Lyssa Runes, Thieves had quite a lot of Stability against Mesmers. Now killing a DP for a Shatter/Interrupt build is not as difficult as before.

musu.9205:

oZii.2864:

The best was the thread on lyssa rune spam by warriors and thieves

Lyssa rune was too strong (if you really hate to someone use word "overpowered ").But nothing to do with spamming . People usually cry something spamming they just think those stuff are too easy to use and high rewarding .Yes , players shouldn’t be so exaggerated , but many things are understandable .
You could disagree , but if fighting each other for some usage of certain words is so fun for you , we should turn all balance topic to balance semantics?

It isn’t understandable otherwise people wouldn’t point it out. See above black devil said spam F1. Someone pointed out you can’t spam F1 then it just makes it appear black devil has no idea what he is talking about. Then he can either move on or explain himself usually what happens is the explanation. Instead just say what you actually mean the first time for a good discussion.

musu.9205:

And i will give you a fact , thief counters mesmer due to mesmers heavily rely on single target skill which means thief stealth , blind and overall better blink skills could prevent mesmer using it’s core mechanism.

How is that factual? That’s based on your own personal bias, thus I countered it with my own personal bias.

Also they fit same role for tpvp which requires good 1v1 ability and high mobility .
I wish you could understand all above instead just arguing for sake of argument .

No one is arguing with you. Most of the post don’t even take you seriously because your “argument” is based on your personal opinion yet you don’t accept personal opinion.

If anyone is arguing for the sake of arguing, that would be you.

The bottom line is, based on your opinion, Consume plasma needs to change, however based on my opinion, you’re full of gas.

Lamuness.3570:

Wow, I have so much problems with Mesmer, I can hardly count thieves as a hard counter to Mes, yet everyone says they are. But if you’re telling me to bring a set like SA : x/D into PvP you’ve got another thing coming to you. It’s such a selfish build to be running in pvp. Assuming this isn’t for PvP, can one show me videos of this high level thief play vs. a good mesmer? Outside of chain CnD’ing, I feel like there’s nothing I can do against them.

This is not a reply of “You guys don’t know wtf you’re talking about”, rather, I’m trying to L2P because Mesmers, Necros, and Engies give me the MOST problems. Wth am I doing wrong?

I have the same issues. Those classes always give me trouble

Hey guys,
I can kill most mesmer with sword only easy . No clue how most mesmer cant think, that thief does not hard counter them. I guess a little nerf to “Consume Plasma” is totally okay.

Gakeman.5296:

Hey guys,
I can kill most mesmer with sword only easy . No clue how most mesmer cant think, that thief does not hard counter them. I guess a little nerf to “Consume Plasma” is totally okay.

I killed mesmers with off hand dagger ONLY, but that only makes the player I faced terribad.
I also killed thieves without any weapon on my mesmer, relying only on clone procs, but that also makes the thief I faced terribad.

Look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjyvreIrqI
Do you think they should nerf thieves because I beat a perplexity engi with only one dagger?

hihey.1075:

Gakeman.5296:

Hey guys,
I can kill most mesmer with sword only easy . No clue how most mesmer cant think, that thief does not hard counter them. I guess a little nerf to “Consume Plasma” is totally okay.

I killed mesmers with off hand dagger ONLY, but that only makes the player I faced terribad.
I also killed thieves without any weapon on my mesmer, relying only on clone procs, but that also makes the thief I faced terribad.

Look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjyvreIrqI
Do you think they should nerf thieves because I beat a perplexity engi with only one dagger?

Its not like i played against bad mesmer. I killed Helseth with sword only on a 1vs1 server e.g. And in high lvl pvp every1 knows that mesmer gets hardcountered by thief. So its actually quite a good idea to nerf the stolen ability from the mesmer, since it would be still pretty strong.

hihey.1075:

Gakeman.5296:

Hey guys,
I can kill most mesmer with sword only easy . No clue how most mesmer cant think, that thief does not hard counter them. I guess a little nerf to “Consume Plasma” is totally okay.

I killed mesmers with off hand dagger ONLY, but that only makes the player I faced terribad.
I also killed thieves without any weapon on my mesmer, relying only on clone procs, but that also makes the thief I faced terribad.

Look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYjyvreIrqI
Do you think they should nerf thieves because I beat a perplexity engi with only one dagger?

OMG OP NURF!

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

/point where you stop reading o/

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Come back, when you are actually on the leaderboards. Thx.

Gakeman.5296:

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Come back, when you are actually on the leaderboards. Thx.

Why ? Those leaderboards looks like “who’s the biggest noob” list to me.

Karolis.4261:

Gakeman.5296:

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Come back, when you are actually on the leaderboards. Thx.

Why ? Those leaderboards looks like “who’s the biggest noob” list to me.

u just insulted all the top 1000 rank players

anyway, i played both mesmer and thief, i do think that thief would loose if mesmer is specced exactly to counter thief, but due to us trying to be as versitale as possible, we cant counter thiefs with a current build , but its fine, i dont think consume plasma needs to be nerfed, thiefs mostly build for 1v1 anyway due to em beeing roamers in pvp

Wyrden.4713:

Karolis.4261:

Gakeman.5296:

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Come back, when you are actually on the leaderboards. Thx.

Why ? Those leaderboards looks like “who’s the biggest noob” list to me.

u just insulted all the top 1000 rank players

anyway, i played both mesmer and thief, i do think that thief would loose if mesmer is specced exactly to counter thief, but due to us trying to be as versitale as possible, we cant counter thiefs with a current build , but its fine, i dont think consume plasma needs to be nerfed, thiefs mostly build for 1v1 anyway due to em beeing roamers in pvp

Yes I did, what they gonna do about it ?

Karolis.4261:

Wyrden.4713:

Karolis.4261:

Gakeman.5296:

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Come back, when you are actually on the leaderboards. Thx.

Why ? Those leaderboards looks like “who’s the biggest noob” list to me.

u just insulted all the top 1000 rank players

anyway, i played both mesmer and thief, i do think that thief would loose if mesmer is specced exactly to counter thief, but due to us trying to be as versitale as possible, we cant counter thiefs with a current build , but its fine, i dont think consume plasma needs to be nerfed, thiefs mostly build for 1v1 anyway due to em beeing roamers in pvp

Yes I did, what they gonna do about it ?

Laugh at u. Cause u have no idea about this game. Most ppl in the top 1000 suck really hard and if u arent even in the lb i have bad news for u. Or where do u get your tpvp experience? Hotjoin? Lolz.

i said all, not most, and he insulted all:p

Gakeman.5296:

Karolis.4261:

Wyrden.4713:

Karolis.4261:

Gakeman.5296:

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Come back, when you are actually on the leaderboards. Thx.

Why ? Those leaderboards looks like “who’s the biggest noob” list to me.

u just insulted all the top 1000 rank players

anyway, i played both mesmer and thief, i do think that thief would loose if mesmer is specced exactly to counter thief, but due to us trying to be as versitale as possible, we cant counter thiefs with a current build , but its fine, i dont think consume plasma needs to be nerfed, thiefs mostly build for 1v1 anyway due to em beeing roamers in pvp

Yes I did, what they gonna do about it ?

Laugh at u. Cause u have no idea about this game. Most ppl in the top 1000 suck really hard and if u arent even in the lb i have bad news for u. Or where do u get your tpvp experience? Hotjoin? Lolz.

You are making no sense.

style.6173:

BlackDevil.9268:

Ghostwolf.9863:

musu.9205:

But since thief highly counters mesmer

Never noticed this, 4/4/0/0/6 shatter.

And no to your request, 3s stability from a stolen ability from a steal that might not even land and clones usually deal with Aegis. You can also make a build focusing on destroying boons if it bothers you that much.

Maybe you never faced good thieves then, cause overall, thief is the hard-counter to mesmers at the moment.

Might not even land? Either that mesmer can dodge really good, or the thief is just failing to spam f1.

Make a build to counter a skill? Let’s just not do that shall we?
The stability and aegis are both not in the description, while the buffs are already long enough. The moment you think you can counter the thief by using I-wave when he uses his shadow refuge, it wont push him out cause he uses the cheap steal skill. The skill is already strong enough without it, why put both aegis and stability on it too? It’s not like mesmer gets stability from the signet of inspiration. It’s actually funny cause mesmer has almost 0 access to stability.

Wrong. At equal skill levels, a mesmer should win.

Wrong, at equal skill levels a thief should always, but really always win.

Chicago Jack.5647:

The reason why thieves have a better game against mesmers is not because of consume plasma.

And that’s an argument for not nerfing consume plasma because…?

Calsifer.6079:

You do realize that the I wave doesn’t push us out because we dodge inside the refuge right? Not because we have stability.

A good mesmer will never make it so obvious when he will cast it. For example; you can precast it from range, teleport in/near the SR and even the best thief wont expect that to happen. Another thing is casting it from stealth. That’s only for if the thief can’t dodge or isn’t fast enough. Had enough times that in a 3v3 environment I could easily push the thief out cause of too much kitten going on. Skilled or not, dodging I-wave as thief against a mesmer who knows how to do it stealthy is pretty hard. That consume plasma just takes away all that skill in 1 push and granting another 6 boons of at least 10 seconds duration that can easily win you the fight.

BlackDevil.9268:

That consume plasma just takes away all that skill in 1 push and granting another 6 boons of at least 10 seconds duration that can easily win you the fight.

That’s exactly what it’s suppose to do — to tip the scale to the Thief’s favor.

Your complain is rapidly degrading to whining about something that you personally perceived to be unfair without any factual support.

If it takes skill to I-wave a Thief out of SR, it also takes skills to deny you from interrupting the Thief in SR.

Deal with it.

hmmmmmmm nope,thief is not hard counter to mesmer(as a player who have 2k hours on each one).Mesmer actually is a hard counter to thief.

Sandrox.9524:

hmmmmmmm nope,thief is not hard counter to mesmer(as a player who have 2k hours on each one).Mesmer actually is a hard counter to thief.

K, wanna 1vs1 me? I gonna use sword only on thief.

Mesmers losing to thieves need to rework their build

So many WvWers and PU heroes in this thread.