Guild Wars 2

imo p/p thieves are getting there but not quite at the right place
they fall somewhere between a roaming burst thief/ mesmer and a power ranger

and that’s a very small window

p/p is a single target sustained/burst dps build
it has more dps than a power ranger within the first 5 seconds of the fight
and more sustained dps than a meta d/p burst thief

but it doesn’t really do either job too well

p/p thieves are high value targets in any fight, the lack of range makes it easy to pressure thieves out of a fight
and the lack of aoe means thieves target will easily be blocked, by mesmer clones, ranger pets, other players, turrets, and its hard hard counter – mm necros
not counting reflects
it often forces thieves to move out of favorable positions to even hit their targets

compare p/p thieves to mesmers who attack from stealth with aoe burst and has access to invul
or ranger’s 1500 range with cleave
unload is a channeled skill that executes at a close range (meaning it’s easily countered and counter pressured)
you can find an example of that here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqq_zOO1pWc&list=PLrJ6gT06ux0M0a3Zk-OAYGSSou7lCIICQ&index=20

in conclusion, p/p thief’s role is the same as current meta thief but a less effective
version

what it needs
riccochet – if it’s added in time, i promise to demonstrate it in the next tournament
900 range is just not enough for pierce to be useful
extended range – 1100 at least, 1150 preferred but i know many people would complain about that
reduced channel time – u can cut the dmg but reduce initiate cost and channel time
sometimes raw damage boost just isn’t the adjustment it needs…but deserves? (batman voice)

lastly, here are the videos i promised
uncut or edited, so u can see the good and the bad
how the whole thing plays out
#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpEs-RuXVo&index=18&list=PLrJ6gT06ux0M0a3Zk-OAYGSSou7lCIICQ

#2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqPM91XGxjk&list=PLrJ6gT06ux0M0a3Zk-OAYGSSou7lCIICQ&index=19

#3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh3z61XbMXs&index=21&list=PLrJ6gT06ux0M0a3Zk-OAYGSSou7lCIICQ

Karl has already said that Ricochet is not coming back…so ya. I main thief so i could see the pistol cripple trait being replaced with a pierce trait but i dont think they like the bounce. I played P/P last night and i was able to 1v1 other D/P thieves with the build i had set up. But yes it is still hard to play.

p/p is great and its all about positioning more than anything..

use 3 escape utility skills and don’t blow your unload willy nilly.
you are not d/p so positioning is key.

p/p is also ranged.
i taught someone about the p/p build yesterday and he said he won more match with it than his d/p set.

@treeoflife

why not? I don’t see ricochet breaking p/p in any way

@lavexis
I know about positioning as u can tell from my video
i’m just saying p/p is just not going to be able to compete with real builds
all the fights i faced were outnumbered, my teammates rotated really well
they were good matches that you won’t get majority of the time