Guild Wars 2

Hello there, fellow thief players!

I know, that there is no “general-rule” when it comes to rotations, but i was wondering if there are any high-tier players (like plat III and higher) that could help me out with this.

I know that thief is most effective in the +1 role, but somethings there are scenarios, where there are multiple fights all around the map and personally, I find it hard to decide where to go sometimes.

For instance, there was the following scenarios in one of my latest games (Temple):

I just decaped far, Enemy-druid comes on point and I immediately disengage. Now there were 2 fights i could have gone to:
Mid: Ele+DH (Ally) vs Engi+Necro (Enemy)
Close: Druid+Necro (Ally) vs Druid+Warri (Enemy..and yes, they had 2 druids)

Now I +1’d the midfight, jumping the Necro, trying to go for the momentum play. Unfortunately the DH got pressured hard by both the necro and the engi and had to play rather defensively, which bought them enough time for the druid (who I managed to decap earlier) to enter the fight as well, forcing me to leave again. I went for another decap but unfortunately my allies then died in mid.

It was a pretty close game (470ish to 500) and at the end of it my team blamed me for overrotating. My question now is: What would a other thief have done? +1 on close? Stay in the fight and maybe try to counterpressure the enemy necro a bit more? On which criteria do you guys decide where to +1 when there are multiple fights on the map. Is it about killing potential with your teammate? Durability/Sustain of the enemy? Or just go for a decap whenever you can? Momentum vs Points? Do you prioritize to pressure certain classes (like Necro or Rev) regardless of other fight participants?

Also, I gernerally dont try to +1 allies that are in a winning matchup like Mes vs Rev or something like that. But personally, I have a hard time to figure out the best +1 if there are more smaller skirmishes around the map.

Sorry only gold 2 here,

Just with the classes, I would make the same choice as you did. I go mid, then you have two scenarios :

- You can either burst the engi to force elixir proc, and you get your team in a confortable 3v1 situation for 4-5 sec. This is a bit tricky to pull off, basically you have to burst him very quickly in a short window.

- You can pressure the necro just interrupting him without entering the fight and size the good opportunity.

I suppose you could also start the mid fight with poison field and blast to apply weakness and limit the enemy ability to make damages.

The thing is, you need to consider the health of your allies and how long they have been in a fight. It gives you clues on the state of the fights.

For example you know that if your dh has been full health for a long time, his blocks and invuln are probably down leaving him vulnerable.

I hope it helps a bit

Go close to kill them so ur necro can rotate to mid and win the mid fight instead, the druid full caps far by the time u killed close and he prolly goes mid so u can decap straight after. Then go mid and outnumber cus respawn prolly goes their close and fullcaps

Thanks to both of you for responding!

As for watching the health bars. You are right, Wargameur, maybe i should have paid more attention to it, but since the DH had a support with him, I couldn’t really tell how much of his cooldowns he actually had used already. Realizing that he has used most his CDs already, as I entered the mid fight, made the whole rotation a bit awkward.

bluri.2653:

Go close to kill them so ur necro can rotate to mid and win the mid fight instead, the druid full caps far by the time u killed close and he prolly goes mid so u can decap straight after. Then go mid and outnumber cus respawn prolly goes their close and fullcaps

Could you please eleborate a bit more on this? What is your thought process on this?
I guess it makes sense that the druid would have gone for the mid fight instead of close anyway; so basically I could have capitalized on the guaranteed 3v2 scenario on close.
Does this sound about right?

BikeIsGone.8675:

Thanks to both of you for responding!

As for watching the health bars. You are right, Wargameur, maybe i should have paid more attention to it, but since the DH had a support with him, I couldn’t really tell how much of his cooldowns he actually had used already. Realizing that he has used most his CDs already, as I entered the mid fight, made the whole rotation a bit awkward.

bluri.2653:

Go close to kill them so ur necro can rotate to mid and win the mid fight instead, the druid full caps far by the time u killed close and he prolly goes mid so u can decap straight after. Then go mid and outnumber cus respawn prolly goes their close and fullcaps

Could you please eleborate a bit more on this? What is your thought process on this?
I guess it makes sense that the druid would have gone for the mid fight instead of close anyway; so basically I could have capitalized on the guaranteed 3v2 scenario on close.
Does this sound about right?

Necro > bunker killer, so the necro/druid against druid/war on close means you will more or less one shot the druid esp if it was a condi nec on your side, then you’ll finish the warrior quickly after too cus he most likely used CD’s in this fight. The sooner your necro can rotate into middle against the engi (engi melts against necros) the better.

And theres no logical rotation for a druid to go far and outnumber it making it a 3v2 druid/druid/war vs nec/druid so obviously his choice would be go middle and outnumber that (even this decision is bad, but less so) And ele/nec/druid from your team even if your DH dies is still an insane 3v3 compared to theirs, ele > druid/engi as a support.

So since druid goes middle you decap far before the guy respawns forcing him to go and cap there, then you just outnumber middle

Oh ok, thanks for that!
Guess I have to learn more about 2v2 matchups, cause I genuinely thought that Necro (who was condi indeed iirc) cant sufficiently pressure Warr/Druid, with their insane amount of resistance/cleanse.

Maybe Im just biased as well, since I personally have a hard time +1ing classes that can self sustain (especially Warri and Druid) very well. Anybody maybe has a link or something that show good and bad matchups for those classes?

bluri.2653:

Go close to kill them so ur necro can rotate to mid and win the mid fight instead, the druid full caps far by the time u killed close and he prolly goes mid so u can decap straight after. Then go mid and outnumber cus respawn prolly goes their close and fullcaps

kitten , I’m back to watching your stream again. It seems my understanding is still lacking ^^