why all the thief hate?
If you turn into a moa, just use the skills to run away for 10 seconds and resume fighting. Yes, Mesmers are the best dueling class. But guess what? Duels aren’t even important, the game is team based. Only in WvW solo roam will you duel, and solo roaming duels doesn’t really help your world. Clones perfect for hiding in. First of all, you can just call target on the mesmer to tell it apart. Second, you clones only do one thing. They either stand there and attack or rush at you, whatever it is, it’s just one function per clone. It’s not hard to see if one copy is doing something different. If you really can’t tell, just use one of your aoes (thieves do have them) and see which one takes the least damage. Biggest health pool= person. There’s probably more ways to spot mesmers than I posted/know, and certainly a lot more to be said about fighting them. Just check out the mesmer or pvp forums and ask for help if they really give you that much trouble. In the end though, the state of mesmers has rather little to do with people’s opinions on thieves.
I kind of doubt this is a serious thread though, so maybe I shouldn’t have posted… to late now though, already written :p
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LOL thank you, but no, I am sick of this Mesmer bhagwad.4281 calling thieves cowards in duels when he is running cheapest duel class basically he is just a troll that’s wants some attention; but still hard for the pot to call the kettle black when mesmers were made to duel. I got no issues tearing mesmers or thieves apart its all on how you play and use your skills given to you fyi for the 3rd time I play all classes and stopped playing thief after this was determined to be their 2 roles. I prefer ranger to wvw roam and ele ranger necro for pvp. I used to like thief and want to eventually play it again w/o class being ripped to shreads by people who don’t understand the mechanics of the thief. I would really like to see some thief improvements in other areas of the game so people will stop complaining about thief in wvw, but guess what, with what you left them cant really blame them for doing what they got left to do. Is it fun to do I guess for some trolls it is but average player will find other areas of the game and wvw far more beneficial as a whole to them and everyone else.
I kind of doubt this is a serious thread though, so maybe I shouldn’t have posted… to late now though, already written :p
I think you are right, myself and others have told the OP many times now why people hate thieves. His response seems to be along the lines of sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming I cant hear you.
Nothing you can do against desired ignorance.
^ your one to talk comparing gw2 thief to wow thief this is gw2 not wow if I wanted wow thief id play wow get over yourself. Also if you had listen also explained meaning op. If you still don’t understand do you think boon hate means people that hate boons….
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^ NO again I wonder if you can read bhagwad.4281 I SAID STEALTH, BLOCK, INVUNERABLE, CLONES, MASS SINGLE/AOE DMG, SPAM CONDITIONS, IMMOBALIZE, AND THE CHEASIEST MOVE IN THE GAME MOA MORPH! You get all that this time or go I need to say it 5 more times you you to get it if your going to try to insult someone at least get your facts strait. You got way more cheese then thief and your proud of it; that is the funniest thing I heard all day. Mesmer complains about honorable duels; lets take away your stealth, clones, and phantasms and see where that leaves you, oh wait we don’t troll your forums.
hehe…I actually read the mesmer forums too, as I play mesmer, and they get some thief trolls, including one that was arguing about focus-pulls being overpowered.
Bottom line is those trolls have more in common with each other than with the majority of players on the classes they play. They would rather see all of the variety taken out of the game, than have to adapt to different challenges posed by different class mechanics. And that’s great, there are excellent and perfectly balanced games out there for them. Try Quake.
^ your one to talk comparing gw2 thief to wow thief this is gw2 not wow if I wanted wow thief id play wow get over yourself.
If we forget about old games, we will repeat mistakes in new games. That is why the comparison was made. I haven’t played wow but from what i can tell, wow thieves had similar problems that gw2 thieves are having now, and just about every thief style character in any mmo I’ve played had the same problem.
Should developers ignore those problems, and the solutions used just because they are different games? Should developers repeat history just because those were “other” games?
Also if you had listen also explained meaning op. If you still don’t understand do you think boon hate means people that hate boons….
What other way is there to interpret the words “thief hate”?
/sarcasm
“Grandmaster trait: Thief Hate: deal 3% more damage for each thief in the area.”
/sarcasm
More than all that, there is no need for personal attacks against the posters here when you asked for them to answer a question and they spent the time explaining it.
You asked for an answer, but acted rude when some nice posts were given explaining why thieves are hated. That is the reason this thread has been set aflame. You torched it.
^ your one to talk comparing gw2 thief to wow thief this is gw2 not wow if I wanted wow thief id play wow get over yourself.
If we forget about old games, we will repeat mistakes in new games. That is why the comparison was made. I haven’t played wow but from what i can tell, wow thieves had similar problems that gw2 thieves are having now, and just about every thief style character in any mmo I’ve played had the same problem.
Should developers ignore those problems, and the solutions used just because they are different games? Should developers repeat history just because those were “other” games?
Also if you had listen also explained meaning op. If you still don’t understand do you think boon hate means people that hate boons….
What other way is there to interpret the words “thief hate”?
/sarcasm
“Grandmaster trait: Thief Hate: deal 3% more damage for each thief in the area.”
/sarcasmMore than all that, there is no need for personal attacks against the posters here when you asked for them to answer a question and they spent the time explaining it.
You asked for an answer, but acted rude when some nice posts were given explaining why thieves are hated. That is the reason this thread has been set aflame. You torched it.
You may be right, but regardless, the play style of stealthy assassin characters fits a niche of a large group of players. Changing it for sake of a much smaller group of players who complain about the stealth class in every mmo is probably not beneficially to the developers lest they lose the niche of people who love assassin classes.
80 Thief, 80 Warrior, working on Mesmer.
NOPE you still didn’t get it, what a shock! Because seems a certain memer bhagwad.4281 is trying to call thieves cowards in a DUEL. YES MOA MOPRH IS used in DUELS so is your stealth, block, spammable clones, mass dmg, conditions galore, and immobilize only your not getting the fact im not trying to compare stealth only you would think that for obvious reason im comparing your lack of common knowledge. Mesmer is the most stacked 1v1 class in HIDING from combat by use of CLONES and what stealth you do have as target breakers not to mention your MOA MORPH which IS used in duels; so keep trolling elsewhere we are tired of hearing you complain while hiding behind your arsenal that is Mesmer! SO QUIT calling others cowards when you are in fact worse in DUELS.
Regardless of what you say, no one minds anything much except for stealth. It looks like you personally have difficulty with other skills, but that’s probably just a l2p issue.
/sarcasm
“Grandmaster trait: Thief Hate: deal 3% more damage for each thief in the area.”
/sarcasm
Give me that 2250% damage boost.
Besides, I can’t possibly be the only one having pity of their overall performance yet hate them with passion only because they seem to look down to everyone with their Ubisoft ripoff character.
Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Thief – Jade Quarry.
@bhagwad.4281
Lol so if you read I got no problems dealing with thief or memser on ele.,ranger, guard, or even necro so save you l2p advise for yourself since you cant seem to deal with the “stealth” mechanic of thief; thus why you complain and troll so much. one of these days when you make a smart comment based on actually READING something I might listen , but till then have fun trolling; done wasting my time and energy trying to make someone who cant/wont even read understand.
by ubisoft assassin do you mean AC as I assume you do? If so that assassin doesn’t stealth all that much, just the abilities to do other things such as blend in, make clones, ect. which would make the thief more fun while taking all the focus off of the highest power or most stealth builds we see now. that would be funny the ability to turn into the form of an ally, such as guards spirit wep, rangers pet, mesmers clone, I know in advance this wouldn’t work as not everyone has allies but would still be fun to think about.
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You may be right, but regardless, the play style of stealthy assassin characters fits a niche of a large group of players. Changing it for sake of a much smaller group of players who complain about the stealth class in every mmo is probably not beneficially to the developers lest they lose the niche of people who love assassin classes.
I encourage developers to look at the games that were able to accomplish changing the meta of the assassin type characters without making them feel less assassin like. subtlety rogues in WoW, Stalkers in CoH/CoV, Infiltrators in DAoC, Or take a look at SWTOR where they are still trying to find where operatives should sit offensively and have taken some good steps as well as some bad ones. (they aren’t quite there yet)
Of course there is also Guildwars, where assassins were quick, agile, burst maniacs that were hard to catch and could implement combos that completely disabled an opponent or destroyed their health bar. but ultimately more loved than thieves are here. I have to admit I thought not having stealth would make for bad assassin play but it didn’t at all in that game. which is why so many people were open to the limited stealth in this one.
The problem you get when you leave the meta as is, is what we have now. Thieves aren’t very good in sPvP (not bad but not great), They are fairly bad in team PvE and undesired for top end (or speed run) content, They are OK (I’m told) in Solo PvE but not nearly as powerful as many of the other classes. But still, they are facing more nerfs! They are the most nerfed class in the game and there is a thread the devs have dedicated to trying to figure out what to do with thieves, which is calling for even more nerfs. it’s getting out of control and it’s why my thief hasn’t gained a level in PvE since I left the tutorial level.
At some point you have to ask yourself is having the ability to 1 shot people, in 1 aspect of the game, every 45 seconds worth it all?
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@bhagwad.4281
Lol so if you read I got no problems dealing with thief or memser on ele.,ranger, guard, or even necro so save you l2p advise for yourself since you cant seem to deal with the “stealth” mechanic of thief; thus why you complain and troll so much. one of these days when you make a smart comment based on actually READING something I might listen , but till then have fun trolling; done wasting my time and energy trying to make someone who cant/wont even read understand.
Hunh. Talk about “not reading”. I can kill every thief I meet without breaking a sweat. It doesn’t mean that stealth isn’t a cheesy mechanic. It just means I’ve found a way to beat it.
@bhagwad.4281
Lol so if you read I got no problems dealing with thief or memser on ele.,ranger, guard, or even necro so save you l2p advise for yourself since you cant seem to deal with the “stealth” mechanic of thief; thus why you complain and troll so much. one of these days when you make a smart comment based on actually READING something I might listen , but till then have fun trolling; done wasting my time and energy trying to make someone who cant/wont even read understand.
there isn’t really any way to deal with perma stealth from D/P set. it’s cheesy as hell, and has very little counters. it’s probably gonna get nerfed.
All is vain.
I will agree perma stealth is annoying but what are they actually doing ex running around using all their initiave for stealth?
1 if the break stealth to attack not only are they going to get reveal an do poor dmg due to running complete initiave stealth build, they also lose the ability to call them perma stealth because leaving stealth isn’t perma.
2 Easy fix and would probably make most happy don’t let stealth stop a cap in progress, problem solved.
3 also think making thief more useful in other areas of the game would limit thieves running this, but probably not entirely; trolls will be trolls, but it will help a lot.
I will agree perma stealth is annoying but what are they actually doing ex running around using all their initiave for stealth?
1 if the break stealth to attack not only are they going to get reveal an do poor dmg due to running complete initiave stealth build, they also lose the ability to call them perma stealth because leaving stealth isn’t perma.
2 Easy fix and would probably make most happy don’t let stealth stop a cap in progress, problem solved.
3 also think making thief more useful in other areas of the game would limit thieves running this, but probably not entirely; trolls will be trolls, but it will help a lot.
1. damage isn’t really that poor. and it doesn’t matter if they break stealth since they can stealth on demand and regen HP whenever they want
2. they nerfed it cuz it was overpowered, really doubt they will revert
3. saying trolls will be trolls doesn’t really solve the problem. yes thieves should be annoying but i think perma stealth is too much considering you can’t stop them from using blinding powder. making thieves useful in other parts of the game may also end up making perma stealth trolls stronger as well which will lead to more QQ and thieves getting nerfed again.
All is vain.
^ try running it you will find you lose alot of power doing this and only real way to do dmg is conditions with the reveal debuff in place. To follow up your suggestion is to cripple thieves even more, so they only got one viable build left? Yes take away all perma thieves and leave only semi stealth thieves with single target burst which people hate just as much!
You can all rationalize it as much as you want. Thieves need nerfing period. I have “L2P” against every class…except thieves. And it’s not because you are all amazingly talented players. It is because you NEED TO BE NERFED.
BTW, I fully support making other builds viable like Pistol thieves…if you just nerf the overpowered builds.
YOU can SCREAM NERF all you want but w/o increasing something those are only 2 builds left so how about some constructive criticism instead of just nerf thief into extinction you got builds for every class that can easily destroy thief as it is now. If everyone thinks thief is so easy roll one when you get sick of dying go back to d/d, bunker/ret guard, BM ranger, Ber Mesmer, and YES war can easily roll a thief.