Guild Wars 2

You have to understand that a lot of gamers are elitist, self-entitled… kittens.

The people kicking you from groups for having a signet build are the same people who “troll” you for picking an AD carry other than Ezreal or Corki in League of Legends or scream at you for buying a P90 in Counter-Strike.

You either do/pick what they see as “optimal” — and with these people, this word is ever-present — or you’re in for a very unpleasant time.

At the end of the day, it’s your choice. This is a role-playing game and these are your characters. Play what you enjoy and give it your best.

I happen to run a Rifle/Axe+Warhorn warrior. It’s far from optimal, I can tell you that right now, but since I have shouts I normally don’t get yelled at.
My best friend plays a signet-based Greatsword/Rifle warrior and, sadly, has to endure some harassment.

I don’t even see anything inherently wrong with his build — he has ways to remove conditions, grant himself stability, keep boons up, a heal on a relatively short cooldown, debuffs, some basic CC… — pretty much all the things that I have, with a single difference: my “buffs” affect others (but, as a trade-off, I deal less damage).

Apparently that’s too much for some people to endure…

Ari Kagura.9182:

…I just think that signets are poorly utilized for some folks. Crap! I got a stack of bleeds, poison, confuse, and burning on me! But if I pop my Signet of Stamina, I’ll lose my precious DPS! Crap!

That’s an example of a poorly played warrior and is not an example of Signet builds. That same player would have issues realizing that they even have conditions on them in the first place and then would understand that any amount of conditions on that magnitude needs to be removed ASAP.

Look, when I ran the 80 GS/Signet (4) build most people simply did not realize that the build requires an excessive amount of gear (Exotic Rampager, Exotic Jewel, rare guild backpack) set up to make it absolutely a beast spec. Read Forceful Greatsword:http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forceful_Greatsword, and then add +100% crit chance and + crit damage. Guess what happens – that’s right, perma-full stack Might that happens automatically by attacking all while stacking AoE vulnerability for everyone else to gain significant DPS from.

Non-stop I hear comments about how sick perma-Might Elementalists are – you know what, GS/Signet warriors can do the same thing – it takes more to get there (gear) but the same throughput happens except it happens with 100% crit rate as well (a fair tradeoff for Elementalist swap attunement and utility).

A warrior without a knowledge to go ranged when needed, to clear self conditions, to use stability, to dodge, to move into a fight to take a few hits/tank and back out, etc. when the situation calls for it, happens in every spec.

But I get it, bad warriors have a direct correlation to playing 5 “Singet”/GS builds but that does not mean that same warrior doesn’t know how to play the crap out of it and contributes more to the group than any other warrior would do.

For all you Signet haters, what happens when you require teammates to cover their own condition removal and stop relying on shout Warriors to cover it for you?

(FYI, I’m playing a shout warrior right now and I know the answer – the problem isn’t the warrior player build and instead of saying, “blame that GS/Signet warrior, he should have shout condition removal”, it instead should be, “hey, maybe I should build for my own survivability/condition removal”)

(FYI, I’m playing a shout warrior right now and I know the answer – the problem isn’t the warrior player build and instead of saying, “blame that GS/Signet warrior, he should have shout condition removal”, it instead should be, “hey, maybe I should build for my own survivability/condition removal”)

I particularly enjoyed this observation. I wonder how many people specifically don’t go with much, if any, condition removal because they expect the Warrior to do it for them. Then when they see the Warrior is signet spec, they yell at HIM for being selfishly specced.

Pugs are wonderful.

There’s one thing to consider.

As much as Anet made all classes able to spec in all roles, a team with a DPS Guardian and a support Warrior is worse than a team with a support Guardian and a DPS Warrior.
Simply because as a matter of fact Guardian can make the team impervious to conditions while also healing/protecting them much better than a Warrior can – similarly, Warrior deals ten times the DPS of a DPS Guardian.

Sure, there is no need to get the best out of your class.
You can crawl to the end of any dungeon with a comic team made of a GS Ranger, a ranged Guardian, a tank Ele, a Wammo and a MM necro.
But still, most teams will want to avoid the most deaths and clear the dungeons as efficiently as possible, and therefore will expect each class to maximize on its potential.

I use OH Axe purely for Adrenaline creation (The fury is nice but not needed). I don’t think any other weapon has a skill that works as well as that does.

It’s not very useful in a group. Having someone completely dedicated to doing nothing but their own damage output is almost like having someone trying to do nothing but heals. Myself and my party are able to keep fury up as well as a large amount of might. I’m still in a lot of greens and blues and my crit chance is 70% with fury.

Plus+ “Shake it Off” functions as a stun breaker and I use it more for that than for removing conditions on my allies.

When my group does run with another warrior it’s usually a hammer or control-focused warrior. Runs with 5-signet or some other classes that didn’t seem to provide to the group anything other than their own damage output have been frustrating and they honestly didn’t appear to have as much noticeable damage output as some thieves and I. But we’re a little elitist ourselves.

When it comes down to it. No one has any right to condemn anyone elses play style for the simple fact that you don’t have to play with them.

5 signets is terrible in a group setting. Bottom line.

If 5 signet/high damage is terrible in a group setting, then carries are terrible in DotA, because they provide nothing for the other heroes on their team.

Cogbyrn.7283:

(FYI, I’m playing a shout warrior right now and I know the answer – the problem isn’t the warrior player build and instead of saying, “blame that GS/Signet warrior, he should have shout condition removal”, it instead should be, “hey, maybe I should build for my own survivability/condition removal”)

I particularly enjoyed this observation. I wonder how many people specifically don’t go with much, if any, condition removal because they expect the Warrior to do it for them. Then when they see the Warrior is signet spec, they yell at HIM for being selfishly specced.

Pugs are wonderful.

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Oh god, this thread… not sure if serious, or just trolling :S

You’ll get the usual types here and the same arguments:

1: You should be able to play what you want despite it kittening your team – selfish kittens

2: They’re horrible and you should feel bad for using any signets! – assumption kittens

3: But the build is uber deepz brah and we have like 100% crit and perma might! – Mal-adjusted to GW2 kitten(z)

Mix thoroughly and bring to the boil with a lot of subjective opinions classed as fact and an overt emphasis by some on dps over survival thus ignoring the new shared support requirement for dungeons (though it’s not set in stone ofc)

We can argue this bullkitten for the rest of our days, the simple fact is if it’s a simple matter of putting on shouts for some segments of a dungeon or because your group lacks that kind of potential support and you refuse to do so because “that’s not how I want to play” etc, you shouldn’t BE in a group setting in the first place

As opposed to the oft thrown about derogatory “L2P” I feel in GW2 it’s more

“Learn to group nubbinzez”

I think a big part of it, at least in my case, is the fact that using signets/GS is an easy way to get acquainted with warrior. It makes for an incredibly good leveling build for solo play. I’m only level 33, but so far the build has treated me well. I’m thinking of going more tanky though once the precision bump starts to wear out. I’m slightly bored with the setup anyhow.

It makes leveling and killing countless mobs a little more mindless sure, but I have every intention of switching down the road. I pick up mechanics quick and I’m not doing anything major yet. I haven’t even run AC or a dungeon and I have only partied once and that was with a friend. I’d be appreciative if you didn’t write me off for some idiot swinging a big hunk of metal around. The DPS is substantial in comparison to many other classes at my level and my survivability is pretty good as well. I can see where this won’t be the case later though.

I think that many people have stated it right in this thread. A bad player will be a bad player with any build. Signets probably lend themselves better to bad players because they don’t require as much tactic, but that doesn’t mean that decent or good players don’t use the same build for their own purpose. There are also a lot of people that don’t group EVER so if the build fits their personal desires I don’t think they should be condemned for it. The beauty of this game is that you can play a class in so many ways. Pure DPS warriors are one of them.

I feel that most of them take it for the passive trait and they don’t think through the actual signets for their uses and passives. The problem always comes back to using the signets and losing the bonus to precision. Most warriors that run a build like that never uses the signets and that is redundant.