Guild Wars 2

I just tested it, and i love it, hitting really fast with sword swings…

It works about as well as advertised. It’s a DPS boost but it won’t give you perma-Frenzy or anything along those lines.

In B4 “It doesn’t work until 10 seconds have passed and it increases dps by less than 1%!”

In all seriousness though, if you are going to be using axes or swords, might as well go for it, dps increase is dps increase and this is a good one, calculated at aroud 8.6% if i recall.

After playing 30/25/0/0/15 for the longest time I’m pretty sick of Greatsword. I actually like the dual wielding playstyle so if you’re using it might as well pickup DWA. Still ~8% dmg boost is pretty good and its the best GM trait in Arms. In certain situations though it may be better to switch for (Phalanx Strength/Berserkers Power). I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I don’t really see any problem with it and if people don’t like it they don’t need to use it. If anything they should be doing something about the useless Brawlers Recovery.

Though it is better to use GS for phalanx strength builds.

My problem with it is that like much of this game, its a spreadsheet game. It’s fun and all to theorycraft and come up with optimised builds, but stuff like DWA makes next to zero difference on your gameplay.

You really don’t feel it being there, because, its 10% on weapons which are already very fast. If it was 10% on GS, so I can finish 100B 0.4 seconds earlier, I might feel it, but as it stands, its a really boring trait.

Gyler.8150:

In B4 “It doesn’t work until 10 seconds have passed and it increases dps by less than 1%!”

In all seriousness though, if you are going to be using axes or swords, might as well go for it, dps increase is dps increase and this is a good one, calculated at aroud 8.6% if i recall.

That thread was mainly about Axes. DWA isn’t at all a bad trait with Sword/Sword Conditions. In the case of swords that have bleed on two of the AA the trait allows you to ramp up bleeding stacks slightly faster, and maintain bleeding stacks slightly better.

Where the Channel time of the sword attacks that bleed is .5 removing .10 from each attack makes a much more meaningful difference in gameplay that revolves around keeping high levels of bleeding stacks on a target to generate your DPS…..than it does for axes with direct damage. Because it reduces the total sword chain to around 1.1second and stacks bleeds faster vs with axes 3.25s where the DPS difference if we are just talking about a single axe chain isn’t that meaningful.
if we added up 1.1X3 we get like 3.3 which is 6 sword hits and probably more than 6 stacks of bleed if we are lucky with Bleed on Hit procing we maybe looking at 9 stacks of bleed here + 6 sword hits. Compared to a single axe chain. Seems like a much more meaningful improvement.

Which makes total since that DWA is in the ARMS tree which has everything to do with swords and absolutely nothing to do with axes.

DWA is less useful with axes than it is with swords…As far as making meaningful differences that are obvious.

Warlord.9074:

Gyler.8150:

In B4 “It doesn’t work until 10 seconds have passed and it increases dps by less than 1%!”

In all seriousness though, if you are going to be using axes or swords, might as well go for it, dps increase is dps increase and this is a good one, calculated at aroud 8.6% if i recall.

That thread was mainly about Axes. DWA isn’t at all a bad trait with Sword/Sword Conditions. In the case of swords that have bleed on two of the AA the trait allows you to ramp up bleeding stacks slightly faster, and maintain bleeding stacks slightly better.

Where the Channel time of the sword attacks that bleed is .5 removing .10 from each attack makes a much more meaningful difference in gameplay that revolves around keeping high levels of bleeding stacks on a target to generate your DPS…..than it does for axes with direct damage. Because it reduces the total sword chain to around 1.1second and stacks bleeds faster vs with axes 3.25s where the DPS difference if we are just talking about a single axe chain isn’t that meaningful.
if we added up 1.1X3 we get like 3.3 which is 6 sword hits and probably more than 6 stacks of bleed if we are lucky with Bleed on Hit procing we maybe looking at 9 stacks of bleed here + 6 sword hits. Compared to a single axe chain. Seems like a much more meaningful improvement.

Which makes total since that DWA is in the ARMS tree which has everything to do with swords and absolutely nothing to do with axes.

DWA is less useful with axes than it is with swords…As far as making meaningful differences that are obvious.

Can you at least pretend to make sense?

They’re both slightly less than 10% DPS boosts due to aftercast, that’s no secret. You will get a larger absolute DPS boost from axes just because 10% of axe damage is more than 10% of sword damage, but sword seems to have a larger channel vs. aftercast ratio so it is affected by DWA slightly more in percentage terms.

Again, it’s still only a bit less than 10%, which is better than nothing but not necessarily “won’t do damage” tier if you don’t have it.

I’m not really a good writer. But I try to make since that stacking more bleeds boosted condi sword DPS more than the channel reduction it did for axes. What I am saying is not that it made sword dps better than axe DPS. What I am saying is it helped sword more. In a since were talking about a traits effect on two separate Game mechanics.

Where ones ability to shine is based on how many stacks of bleed it can do, how fast it can do it and how well it can maintain those. And an Axe where we are simply just talking about a small channel time reduction. That doesn’t really lay more damage on a target but lets you arguably attack it faster. Where as if we are talking about more bleeding stacks we are talking about actually laying more damage on somthing in a more significant way.

Warlord.9074:

I’m not really a good writer. But I try to make since that stacking more bleeds boosted condi sword DPS more than the channel reduction it did for axes. What I am saying is not that it made sword dps better than axe DPS. What I am saying is it helped sword more. In a since were talking about a traits effect on two separate Game mechanics.

Where ones ability to shine is based on how many stacks of bleed it can do, how fast it can do it and how well it can maintain those. And an Axe where we are simply just talking about a small channel time reduction. That doesn’t really lay more damage on a target but lets you arguably attack it faster. Where as if we are talking about more bleeding stacks we are talking about actually laying more damage on somthing in a more significant way.

I’m going to give in the to troll bait just slightly and remind you that the amount of time it takes to get an “extra” bleed stack out of DWA for swords is roughly the same as the time it takes to get an extra hit out of DWA for axes, so by your own logic that doesn’t even make any sense.

Of course you’ll ramp up bleeds faster but since that apparently doesn’t count for axes I don’t see why it would for swords.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Warlord.9074:

I’m not really a good writer. But I try to make since that stacking more bleeds boosted condi sword DPS more than the channel reduction it did for axes. What I am saying is not that it made sword dps better than axe DPS. What I am saying is it helped sword more. In a since were talking about a traits effect on two separate Game mechanics.

Where ones ability to shine is based on how many stacks of bleed it can do, how fast it can do it and how well it can maintain those. And an Axe where we are simply just talking about a small channel time reduction. That doesn’t really lay more damage on a target but lets you arguably attack it faster. Where as if we are talking about more bleeding stacks we are talking about actually laying more damage on somthing in a more significant way.

I’m going to give in the to troll bait just slightly and remind you that the amount of time it takes to get an “extra” bleed stack out of DWA for swords is roughly the same as the time it takes to get an extra hit out of DWA for axes, so by your own logic that doesn’t even make any sense.

Of course you’ll ramp up bleeds faster but since that apparently doesn’t count for axes I don’t see why it would for swords.

Yes and no yes because that is true what you said but no because precise strikes when given a 100% bleed duration is like 6 seconds…And that trait is way more beneficial for swords than it is for axes. So you also need to factor in chances to proc that how often and how much and so forth. So yes you are correct its still a bad trait but its way better for swords.

There are also no axe specific traits in ARMS while we have 10%crit chance /w swords, deepcuts, 10% damage to bleeding foes is better with swords, precise strikes, and at least DWA.

You get way more benefit for 30 in arms while using a sword than you do for an AXE.

Your also wrong about the extra hit. The entire Sword chain is like only 1/3 the length of an axe chain. Sword lands its 1st extra hit about the same time 1 axe chain finished. swords land 3 extra hits for every 1 axe extra hit.

Sword chain is somewhere in the range of 1.8-1.9 seconds per full chain. Axe chain is 3.6 seconds. That’s half, not a third, but don’t forget that if you’re counting hits using the Warlord “method”, axe chain is 6 hits while sword is only 3, so you’re actually attacking at the same overall rate.

Using ACTUAL logic, the sword chain DOES hit faster because you attack faster, that’s just basic common sense. Since you were so adamant that the trait doesn’t actually increase axe damage or whatever until you get an extra full hit in, though, that has to apply to swords too. You can’t just cherrypick when logic applies, that’s not how it works.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Sword chain is somewhere in the range of 1.8-1.9 seconds per full chain. Axe chain is 3.6 seconds. That’s half, not a third, but don’t forget that if you’re counting hits using the Warlord “method”, axe chain is 6 hits while sword is only 3, so you’re actually attacking at the same overall rate.

Using ACTUAL logic, the sword chain DOES hit faster because you attack faster, that’s just basic common sense. Since you were so adamant that the trait doesn’t actually increase axe damage or whatever until you get an extra full hit in, though, that has to apply to swords too. You can’t just cherrypick when logic applies, that’s not how it works.

I have extensively tested swords and I can tell you the tool tip is wrong…But if the tool tip was right you would still be wrong. Lol I really don’t think that you main a warrior. I know this becasue you are wrong about alot of things you have to say about it. The 1st skill in the sword chain doesn’t have a channel time. Its nearly instant feels about as instant as a warrior shout with a cast delay from the button press..unlike the axe where there is clearly a wind up. The second 2 hits appear to be 1/2 second each although the last hit looks slightly more responsive than the 2nd hit The cast bar moves faster and the damage appears a little quicker.. There are only 3 attacks in a sword chain..1st one is instant or near instant 2nd 2 have short channel times that appear to be the same 1/2 second. Even though the 3rd hit seems quicker than the 2nd which for sure is 1/2 second there is no way a sword chain is 1s I know it has to be slightly longer than that.There also doesn’t appear to be any after cast in the sword chain and if there is that would account for it having a total channel time of 1s but be slightly longer.. At least in the latest revision. It appears to be no longer than 1.25

I really do not know who originally stated the axe chain was 3.6 for all I know at one time it may have very well have been. At some point I believe when the ANET changed the axe chain by moving all the damage of tripple chop to the last hit it was changed….And it was shortened for that very reason…The sword has also gone through a major revision of moving the sword #2 skill to AA#3 etc.

It really doesn’t matter just word of advice gang next time before you do the math on another skill please physically test it 1st. Half the tool tips are wrong and a lot of the numbers that were posted by others are either old or are just estimates that people did using a stop watch and probably not even very well.

Uh, yeah, I actually did test it, using better methodology than “the sword swings look really fast so they’re probably instant.”

Good for my hybrid sword/shield build. Although i don’t. Really need a. Boost to stack bleeds but its nice

I would enjoy and play more with DW if it didn’t feel so weird watching one arm swing constantly while the other hangs limp the whole time