Guild Wars 2

Advice plz,since i dont have exotic maces and axes that are all the rage now,i will maintain my GS,wondering about the best trait combo or advice on it plz dudes and dudettes

I haven’t tried a GS build since the patch as I really don’t like GS in general with the #2 root and lack luster damage now. However, that said I’ve seen 30/30/0/10/0 as about the best you can get with GS. Or you can go 30/25/0/0/15

For PvE? The same build you were running before the patch minus Heightened Focus will still be quite good. Not as good as it was, but still good.

darkace.8925:

Yeah, the same one you’ve been running since the beginning of time minus Heightened Focus.

Yep exactly, but there is no way to get it without losing out on GS DPS either way you loose a trait. Best DPS I’ve found thus far is Axe / Mace with 30/0/0/10/30 and with Longbow on swap. If you still want GS take 10 in tactics for Empowered or Empowered Allies best you can do right now.

yeah for PVE sorry for not saying so earlier guys

Then any of the builds I’ve listed will work for you. If you want a full build I can put one together but you should be able to figure it out from the trait setup.

Just far CoF and get an axe and mace, go 30/25/0/0/15 with gs and axe mace swap you’ll be better than before

but with that combo i wouldnt have a ranged weapon

@titanimite-id appreciate the input,and future advice,is 30/10/0/0/30 bad?would have the 2 grandmaster talents that enable great crit %,would lose however very good traits in arms tho

now, we lose a lot of crit chance to make a great swordbuild though, …

Drakenvold.9761:

but with that combo i wouldnt have a ranged weapon

@titanimite-id appreciate the input,and future advice,is 30/10/0/0/30 bad?would have the 2 grandmaster talents that enable great crit %,would lose however very good traits in arms tho

30/10/0/30 works great for an Axe build spamming f1. The GS/LB build I’ve been using for farming is 30/20/0/20 but will probably go back to 30/25/0/15.

Drakenvold.9761:

but with that combo i wouldnt have a ranged weapon

@titanimite-id appreciate the input,and future advice,is 30/10/0/0/30 bad?would have the 2 grandmaster talents that enable great crit %,would lose however very good traits in arms tho

For dungeons I never really use a ranged weapon, there are few when I do as well as in fractals but then you swap out one of your sets for a Longbow. Since I run Axe / Mace + Axe/Axe for pure melee I just swap Axe/Axe for longbow since the /Axe is not very good in PvE unless your at least hitting 5 mobs.

You can run 30/10/0/0/30 if you would like for vuln stacking but you will actually lose out on DPS vs running a 30/0/0/10/30 with Empowered or Empowered Allies. Currently with Axe/Mace I can keep at least 12 stacks of vuln up at all times and 14 stacks of might easily. I’ll create a build on intothemists and post it here if you want to try it out. Ran in CoF with it last night and it works just like before!

If you want you can use GS + Axe/Mace with a 30/25/0/0/15 build however you will significantly lose out on DPS as well as being rooted with GS #2. Personally it just fits my play style better, I’ve always loved Axe just GS had a better burst now they are comparable.

Titanimite.2534:

Currently with Axe/Mace I can keep at least 12 stacks of vuln up at all times and 14 stacks of might easily. I’ll create a build on intothemists and post it here if you want to try it out. Ran in CoF with it last night and it works just like before!

If you could, that would be fantastic. I have no idea what to do with my build right now.

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

Puandro.3245:

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

This and only this.

Where did this axe 30/0/0/10/30 even come from?

jul.7602:

Puandro.3245:

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

This and only this.

Where did this axe 30/0/0/10/30 even come from?

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/83915-axemace-dps-build-for-dungeons-and-fractals-62513/

Puandro.3245:

jul.7602:

Puandro.3245:

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

This and only this.

Where did this axe 30/0/0/10/30 even come from?

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/83915-axemace-dps-build-for-dungeons-and-fractals-62513/

The loss of heightened focus isn’t enough to justify scrapping the hybrid. Crit chance is the lesser of all attributes when it comes to DPS. Besides, if you run 25 arms you will have close the same crit chance with someone with hieghtened focus.

Puandro.3245:

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

hey, would you have a link to this build? the gs axe/mace one

Keyo.9613:

Puandro.3245:

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

hey, would you have a link to this build? the gs axe/mace one

Full Zerker (trinkets, weapons and armor)generally add ruby orbs or scholar.

Traits
Daul wield, GS mastery, berserker might
V, forceful greatsword
anything really for discipline, try the signet colldown

My utilities are: Healing Surge, FGJ,Signet of might, a banner or OMM. Signet of rage or warbanner. Signet for clearing trash, banner for boss.

Sigils: GS of night, Axe of +%damage vs family, mace of night. Good for all dungeons.

jul.7602:

Keyo.9613:

Puandro.3245:

30/25/0/0/15 gs axe/mace is superior to the pure axe build 30/0/0/10/30 build.

hey, would you have a link to this build? the gs axe/mace one

Full Zerker (trinkets, weapons and armor)generally add ruby orbs or scholar.

Traits
Daul wield, GS mastery, berserker might
V, forceful greatsword
anything really for discipline, try the signet colldown

My utilities are: Healing Surge, FGJ,Signet of might, a banner or OMM. Signet of rage or warbanner. Signet for clearing trash, banner for boss.

Sigils: GS of night, Axe of +%damage vs family, mace of night. Good for all dungeons.

cheers bud

To be honest, builds are incredibly more forgiving in PvE than SPvP/TPvP/WvW. Go with what you think is fun, with what you have currently and what can help the group. I wouldn’t stress about it.

Question: i wont play with full zerk gear cause nobody jedes Ober 60% crit chance
Whats better power vita crit eng or power toughness crit dmg?

lol @ 30/25/0/0/15. Play a bad build if thats what you like. GS+Axe/mace 30/0/0/10/30 is far superior to 30/25. But honestly I don’t care if you play a bad build personally, just keep the misinformation down.

I guess 30/25 > 30/0/0/10/30

Why is this even turning into an argument? GS builds are so straightforward. :I

GS + Rifle
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s;9;9;9;0JT;0J18-469;429;9;6Fk

GS + X
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s;9;9;9;0TJ;0J18A46;529;9;6FU

Danny.3825:

I guess 30/25 > 30/0/0/10/30

That is objectively wrong.

How u playing nike? Whitch traits etc
Im intrested i thought 10% dnf vs bleeding is better

Yeah I recently dropped the Arms tree to pursue Heightened Focus as I still wasn’t getting 100% crits despite being full Berserker with Banner of Disc and nourishment up the wazoo, just my luck. I only had 20 points invested which ended up being 10% crit chance exactly, so I gained 5% crit chance with Heightened Focus, not to mention a solid amount of Crit Damage. With the GS no longer granting me might I’ve dropped it completely, the only thing I can’t decide is where to put that last 10 points… Empowered? Empowered Allies? Inspiring Banners for permanent BoD uptime? Deep Cuts? (I run Axe/sword, sword/shield, it’s not ‘optimal’ but I play what’s fun for me.)

Danny.3825:

How u playing nike? Whitch traits etc
Im intrested i thought 10% dnf vs bleeding is better

http://youtu.be/_VxotKo_zwU

30/0/0/10/30 is about 4-7% better than 30/25. And in a group setting like a dungeon group the gap gets even bigger.

Nike u tried to play with axe / sword?
and for solo game the 10 points in arms should be better

This is what I would use if I go G/S, modified from Defektive’s SPVP Sword Shield Build, customize to your own taste

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIUQJARTjcOJv9OyQMxBCkivklzDqwEyrUYn5A-jkyAYrhoRigICAJPl1EogYFsIas6aMlrQqGOym+ioVLEgoJA-w

I use this for Fractals 20+ and 30+, lay down a fire field, pin down on target and hack away. Requires practice especially in fracs, know when to finish 100b and when to Whirlwind or dodge away. Hope this helps

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

lol @ 30/25/0/0/15. Play a bad build if thats what you like. GS+Axe/mace 30/0/0/10/30 is far superior to 30/25. But honestly I don’t care if you play a bad build personally, just keep the misinformation down.

You do realize that somebody has already calculated the effective power of both builds and concluded that my build did at least 4% more damage and that was discounting the fact gs skills have 20% faster cool down. If you take into fact that you should have 25 might it would be much higher.

jul.7602:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

lol @ 30/25/0/0/15. Play a bad build if thats what you like. GS+Axe/mace 30/0/0/10/30 is far superior to 30/25. But honestly I don’t care if you play a bad build personally, just keep the misinformation down.

You do realize that somebody has already calculated the effective power of both builds and concluded that my build did at least 4% more damage and that was discounting the fact gs skills have 20% faster cool down. If you take into fact that you should have 25 might it would be much higher.

I calculated it too, and I trust myself more than “somebody”. 30/0 is about 7% more effective power. But you’re free to continue to be wrong.

both are great.

The guy who calculated the dps is called molch. Check the the thread called pve warrior build. Anyway how come you haven’t shown any hard calculations?

Oh, if you guys want field tests, after running both 30/10/00/30 and 30/25/00/15, here is my conclusion. Now just as a disclaimer, these are off tests from dungeons and pve in general so don’t compare them to the numerical statistics. Also, don’t make fun of my damage -__-. So here’s what I’ve seen. Surprisingly, 30/25/00/15 is surprisingly bursty and hits much more. But the drawback is it crits a little less too. 30/10/00/30 crits much more but has steadier damage. So an example I tested on was a veteran risen giant. With the 30/25/00/15, I was able to hit higher than usual, going as high as 25k on the last 100b hit. But sometimes, I wasn’t able to even break 20k. With the 30/10/00/30 build, I hit steady 100% crit attacks but only hovered around 22k, until the fury ended. I ran a few dungeons, and remember going in zerk groups and hitting ~30-33k with the 30/10/00/30, while with 30/25/00/15, I was able to hit 33k with a noncrit in the middle. But then at other places, I hit lower than I was accustomed with the 30/10/00/30 to. So in conclusion, from what I’ve seen, 30/25/00/15 hits a little burstier, while 30/10/00/30 hits a little more consistently.

That guys….u cant compare the highest krits Thats Not All!
30/25 – 30/10 – 30/0
All of them are viable
Im Not sure which OH i should chose mace or sword

30/25/0/0/15 = 3320*(1+0.7057*1.42)*1.38 = 9173

30/0/0/10/30 = 3320*(1+0.7367*1.57)*1.34 = 9594

It’s not about viable, it’s about optimal. This effective power calculation is only assuming 3 boons from Empowered because I wanted to be conservative. In an actual dungeon run besides cof it would be 5 boons and the gap would be even larger.

edit: 30/10 is absolutely the worst option of the 3 by a gigantic margin. 30/25 is actually decent… if you run solo open world stuff and won’t be capping Might and won’t be getting vuln from your teammates. In dungeons is significantly less viable.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

30/25/0/0/15 = 3320*(1+0.7057*1.42)*1.38 = 9173

30/0/0/10/30 = 3320*(1+0.7367*1.57)*1.34 = 9594

It’s not about viable, it’s about optimal. This effective power calculation is only assuming 3 boons from Empowered because I wanted to be conservative. In an actual dungeon run besides cof it would be 5 boons (or more) and the gap would be even larger.

edit: 30/10 is absolutely the worst option of the 3 by a gigantic margin. 30/25 is actually decent… if you run solo open world stuff and won’t be capping Might and won’t be getting vuln from your teammates. In dungeons is significantly less viable.

With the might from greatsword crits and the cooldown reduction you are a bit ahead on the 30/25 build until you max might stacks from other sources, then 30/0/0/10/30 scales better.

Quetz.4389:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

30/25/0/0/15 = 3320*(1+0.7057*1.42)*1.38 = 9173

30/0/0/10/30 = 3320*(1+0.7367*1.57)*1.34 = 9594

It’s not about viable, it’s about optimal. This effective power calculation is only assuming 3 boons from Empowered because I wanted to be conservative. In an actual dungeon run besides cof it would be 5 boons (or more) and the gap would be even larger.

edit: 30/10 is absolutely the worst option of the 3 by a gigantic margin. 30/25 is actually decent… if you run solo open world stuff and won’t be capping Might and won’t be getting vuln from your teammates. In dungeons is significantly less viable.

With the might from greatsword crits and the cooldown reduction you are a bit ahead on the 30/25 build until you max might stacks from other sources, then 30/0/0/10/30 scales better.

Except you miss one very important point: Forceful Greatsword is a DPS loss in a group setting. In an organized group you won’t get might stacks that last less than 10 seconds, usually 20+. Guess what happens with Forceful Greatsword: you overwrite those 22 second stacks with 5 second ones. So on average, the 30/25 build maintains fewer Might stacks than the 30/0 because of a stupid trait that everyone thinks does the opposite.

Also your math is wrong in the first place. Forceful Greatsword “maintains” 3 stacks of Might (I quote that because as I have shown above it’s a net loser in dungeons) whereas 30/0 has Versatile Power which maintains 2 stacks. 35 power difference. Significantly less than 1% there.

Rending Strikes maintains 3.5 stacks of vuln over time. Thats 1.75 vs a boss. 1.75% damage buff. Doesn’t even come close to closing the gap that 30/0 already has.

Lastly, when you factor in the potential of Empowered Allies to give an 8% dps boost to your whole party the very fact that we are even having to discuss which build is better is pretty hilarious.

Hi Nike, just a question, since I’m switching around my builds to maximize my dps, would the 30/25/00/15 be better solo while the 30/00/10/30 is better in a group? I’ve tried running 30/00/10/30 solo outside in pve and found it seems to hit less than 30/25/00/15. So would 30/00/10/30 be a organized group build? Thanks!

30/25 is probably better solo because you won’t be getting Might or boons from anyone else. That said, who cares about open world solo stuff. I’m much more concerned about the best build for Arah or Fotm 48 and not which build is best for afk auto attacking Tequatl.

Does Heightened Focus + Gear really make up for the loss of Precision with having 0 in Arms? I’m rolling with the 30/25/0/0/15 Build (GS/Axe+Mace) and I am doing really well, with Zerk everything, so how do you maintain a good Crit chance w/o the Arms trait line?

Odokuro.5049:

Does Heightened Focus + Gear really make up for the loss of Precision with having 0 in Arms? I’m rolling with the 30/25/0/0/15 Build (GS/Axe+Mace) and I am doing really well, with Zerk everything, so how do you maintain a good Crit chance w/o the Arms trait line?

You have more crit with 30/0/0/10/30 than 30/25/0/0/15….. yah its silly.