Any nuanced PvP builds?

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

I’m going through all the professions and getting champ in them. I thought I might give warrior a go but it’s boring me to tears (probably not helping that my last champ was genius where I got to actually… do thing… with buttons.) Literally every single build on metabattle uses nothing but stances or shouts. All I do is stack might with longbow, swap and burst, swap and stack swap and burst swap and stack swap and burst. I don’t even get to heal, I do nothing but swap weapons and ignore all 9 other players and use about 4 buttons.

Am I being over dramatic or is warrior really that simple?

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Posted by: BlackTruth.6813

BlackTruth.6813

Frenzy as a stance isn’t THAT simple though.

I’ll let you figure out why.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

The warrior have 2 things:
1) Easy to play
2) Not easy to play

If you play the warrior you can see that it’s class machainc is easy, more easy than all the other classes in the game (only ranger maybe…) and that make the warrior easy to play.
But that make also the warrior easy to kill.

That’s because it’s so predictable that everyone looking at you can know what’s your next skill and evade/block/blind/stun you, killing you easy.

If you have bow everyone know that when you swap the first skill can be Eviscerate if you play axe or Eartshaker if you use Hammer. That’s because you use Intelligence sigil and that grant you a critical hit, or because you want to blast the firefield. That make you so predictable that only good players can play a warrior and kill someone that know a little how the warrior work.

I’m a good warrior player (7 mounth of axebow play) and I’ve a friend that every day try to kill me in 1vs1 with he’s ele, thief, necro, ranger and guardian and fail with every class. if he find a common warrior he kill them easy. But I know my class and the other classes so well that I know when use my skills and when not.

That can be a easy thing, but when your strategy is a 50% passive skills, you have to be Very good to active your 3 skills that make you live or die.
Warrior is a class that need a good player to be used right, expecially against good players. That’s because warrior’s dps in spvp is very low.
Example: Eviscerate deal 6-8k every 8 seconds but you need to wait the right moment, need to block/stun your enemy, etc, the you can hit your enemy with eviscerate every 11 sec, more or less. Then a warrior haven’t other good damage skills. That’s because your autoattack is a melee skill and the enemy don’t stay near to you waiting your damage. Then you need to swap to Lb, to proc Intelligence sigil for a new (extremely predictable) eviscerate critical hit. With a LB your direct damage is low and you can deal some burn damage. But you can’t active your F1 skill because the firefield deal damage and waste Intelligence signet effect, reducing the damage of your Eviscerate, your only damage skill. In that 8-10 sec you can deal.. 5-8k of damage. Then you need to find another moment to active eviscerate when the enemy don’t move/evade/block or is invulnerable to your damage (so many classes can be invulnerable to your damage for X seconds).
That make you able to deal more or less 16k of damage every 8-10 secods.

I’ve a friend that play Mesmer and can deal 18k damage to a berserker class in 4-5 seconds. And if the enemy block one of it’s skills he don’t lose the 50% of the damage but only 1-2k.

Everyone say that the Axebow deal more damage than other classes, but that’s not right. Every class can deal so much more damage than a warrior. The warrior can only do high damage in a single skill every 8+ sec if use axe or 15+ sec if use the sword (and only if the enemy is below 50% hp).

The warrior is easy to play but kill a good player with a warrior isn’t so easy because the warrior have low dps compared on other classes, have a healing skill that can’t save you if the enemy use a good dps build and if the enemy survive more than 8-10 sec you lose all your defensive skills (berserker stance, balanced stance and Endure Pain (2x with trait) and you’re vulnerable to every single enemy attacks without a defensive chance more than a shield (3 sec) or your 2 dodge. If your enemy know that he can just wait, survive 10 seconds after you active your skills and then kill you easy.

The warrior is good. Very good. But only in team fights as a supporter with CC or shouts/warhorn heal and cleans. And not against a good player.

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

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The strength of Axebow imo is that it can put out damage consistently from multiple sources. You got the torment and bleeding from your offhand sword and Pin Down on LB, you get might from Combustive Shot and the fire shield. In my version I actually sometimes bring Spiked Armor so that vs Engi and Teef you can really punish them for their multi hit attacks. Spiked Armor is actually a really under loved trait imo.

EDIT: This is my tweaked Axebow

I know Leg Spec might seem a bit odd, but with Sharpened Axes the skill Throw Axe is on a 8 second cool down which makes it great for reliably landing Evis and Impale. It helps counteract some of the predicability that you rightfully mentioned.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

That’s an interesting take, Silv. Maybe I’ll just use these 150 wins as an opportunity to get better at watching people since I don’t have anything else to concentrate on.

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Posted by: YuiRS.8129

YuiRS.8129

Shoutbow is too easy to play. Play a Zerker Warrior if you want a more active play style. You will be about 50 times squishier than your Engie though.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

Fluffball.8307

I’ve actually been playing the dual sword build, but it’s just as brainless as shoutbow (all stances instead of all shouts.) I’ll probably just concentrate on overall PvP basics, I think that will really help with the other professions.

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Posted by: waSte.8640

waSte.8640

Try a physical move warrior GS/Hammer. 4pts into power and the trait that reduces Cd and improves the dmg of the moves. Stomp/bulls charge/ dolyak signet. Its alot of fun. Rest of build is up to you.

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Posted by: Brigg.6189

Brigg.6189

I’ve actually been playing the dual sword build, but it’s just as brainless as shoutbow (all stances instead of all shouts.) I’ll probably just concentrate on overall PvP basics, I think that will really help with the other professions.

This is actually kind of correct, because warrior is largely about being good at the basics. It’s not like thief where you’re comboing a lot of instant cast abilities, or high apm like engineer or elementalist.

What separates good warriors from average warriors is learning when and how to be aggressive and defensive, learning how to reliably land long-cast abilities, and picking the right time to use long CDs.

Playing zerker is going to make you much better at all of these things, imo. It’s less forgiving when you make mistakes, more rewarding when you land good damage. It’s easy to just kind of cruise along with mediocre play as celestial.

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Posted by: BlackTruth.6813

BlackTruth.6813

What separates good warriors from average warriors is learning when and how to be aggressive and defensive, learning how to reliably land long-cast abilities, and picking the right time to use long CDs.

It gets even more complex when you try to land high casting time CC vs. specs where you can’t count dodges. Like landing it when their evade frame is about to end extremely consistently is where it is. THAT is what makes Warrior extremely high skill cap, landing attacks when an evade is about to end.

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