Guild Wars 2

I know in S/Tpvp we pale in comparison to other classes. I admit this so don’t bring it up please. Thank You. However in WvW and in PvE I feel just fine on warrior. We all know that warrior is considered the king of PvE but how do you guys feel in WvW?

For me warrior is the class I naturally go to in WvW. No I know thief is a better roamer and that ele was considered a better option but never feel as comfortable on those classes as I do warrior. I am not say we beat out other classes in term of individual aspect but does anyone else feel just fine on warrior.

It’s question not a troll. Its not a a which class is better question. I am not arguing numbers I am asking do anyone still prefer warrior?

I feel underpowered on my Warrior…

But then I feel underpowered on all my professions in WvW because I suck. I can never work the targeting system at all as auto-targeting seems to randomly target something across the field and turning auto-targeting off, my target randomly drops and I’ll be shooting at the ground.

I just stick to Staff Ele in WvW

Not sure if this is the answer you’re looking for but after leveling both a Mesmer and Ele, I’m now sticking with the Warrior as I just find it more entertaining. The massive crit’s always bring a smile…

FinalPatriot.8034:

Not sure if this is the answer you’re looking for but after leveling both a Mesmer and Ele, I’m now sticking with the Warrior as I just find it more entertaining. The massive crit’s always bring a smile…

I know its weird question and there is no right answer.

The reason I asked is I went roaming on ele got bored. I didn’t even look at thief. So as usual I got on warrior and roamed for like 2 hours without noticing. The thing is it is easier to roam on thief and ele is better in 1vx which happens all the time. Yet I find myself on warrior consistently. I figure why not ask if anyone else experiences this. Happens in PvE too I do a run on thief or ele or ranger and I get bored. Do it on warrior and its all good. Maybe I am just getting in sync with warrior lol.

I think it’s the playstyle of the class. For me, it’s quick, exciting, and you’re constantly changing/moving. Rarely do I find myself just standing there. That’s why I can’t play some classes – they feel “empty.”

PvE I feel strong. Group WvW fights I feel strong. sPvP and 1v1s I feel gimpy.

That’s pretty much how it goes. Warriors aren’t as adequate as other classes in small-scale fights but they shine in group activities.

Just like how Rangers are one of the best classes in sPvP but are extremely underwhelming in PvE.

Been warrior since headstart. Love it. Tried to make other classes lvl80, only succeeded on mesmer. Otherwice I just miss my warrior and change back. In WvW I find warrior the best class. After the patch either I have only faced bad guardians/eles/mesmers or the new traits are so freaking awesomely good I can take two d/d eles at the same time. I did loose to them cuz they got me on downed stage while I tried to finish them. In tPvP I had most score and overall enemy teams seems just to rage quit. I killed almost everything there. Had still hard time againts beastmaster Rangers. Axe/shield + Longbow on PvE/tPvP/WvW. Disclipine trait line seems to like axes

Overall I feel stronger in tPvP and WvW now. Specially in WvW. We still lack dirty tricks :P

If you are not in a group in wvw, your kittened if you come across a player who knows how to abuse his class thief/mesmer/ele. You will have a hard fight against a semi-decent sword thief or condi/shatter mesmer. I only find good engys or eles a challenge. You aren’t feeling it simply because they hang around abusing their class in spvp and thinking its their skill and not the class *cough*thieves* cough*. Very few good PvPers I know want to bother with WvW because of the constant zerging and gear grind (asc gear).

I have an 80 thief, mesmer, guardian and engy and I don’t playing them in WvW because most of the fights I win by half the effort I put in my warrior and thus no challenge -especially thieves and mesmers-.

In a group you do better and thieves have trouble navigating around all the AOE flying around. Group wise: Mesmers are still good because of their confusion stacks and Shatters. Eles, too. Guardians and Necros are great in group situations but thankfully few good solo guardians roam wvw.

You are good in PVE but remember..a mesmer is better than you in PVE situations, WvW situations and obviously sPvP.

PS:
*Did you know that thieves can start a stomp, shadow step and return back to finish it thus completly avoiding your downed CC? They don’t need to abuse stealth for that.

*Did you know that mesmers can stomp you without being interrupted on command? F4 distortion : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Distortion

*Did you know that pistol dagger thieves can attack you with 3 -I think 4 possible, to- heartseakers while remaining in stealth? So much for attack breaking stealth. Check it out. Black powder/heart seeker combo.

*Did you know that thieves can now steal two boons ripping them off while we are one of the few classes that still don’t have any boon removal? Also, I’m sure you know it but mesmers can completely negate your Elite by a single utility skill? Necros, too!
Our elite is something every other class uses on regular basis. We also have proccing swiftness/fury abilities..why? We have it for one minute already..give us something else or improve the kitten elite.

*Did you know that mesmers/thieves can instantly teleport unto hills or high areas in WvW and sPvP to range dps you? Ever had a thief or mesmer teleport/small hill in WvW instantly up a roof and forcing you to run to their location for 3 miles?

The more you know..

If you don’t complain on the forums nothing will change. The main reason we don’t get fixed is because of some oblivious players here think the class is fine. They have NO idea how good the other classes are compared to theirs in the hands of good players. The Devs look at the forums and see: oh..they aren’t doing too bad..we don’t play the class much so I’m sure they are ok..lets go back to playing super adventure box.

The only reason this is ongoing is because our community likes to bend over, take it and doesn’t speak up.

Get on the thief forums and mesmer ones..see what they are talking about..they are ECSTATIC about their class and all they talk about is trying out different builds and checking out new armor..not because they are happy with a bad class..its because their class dominates with less skill and effort required from them.

Just post constructive posts and make sure to make good suggestions for the devs so in a year or two they will bring the class up to par with other classes. That is not good if Elder scrolls online is coming out (ESO).

It’s too bad..the warrior is a fun class to play.

Nuorus.8415:

Been warrior since headstart. Love it. Tried to make other classes lvl80, only succeeded on mesmer. Otherwice I just miss my warrior and change back. In WvW I find warrior the best class. After the patch either I have only faced bad guardians/eles/mesmers or the new traits are so freaking awesomely good I can take two d/d eles at the same time. I did loose to them cuz they got me on downed stage while I tried to finish them. In tPvP I had most score and overall enemy teams seems just to rage quit. I killed almost everything there. Had still hard time againts beastmaster Rangers. Axe/shield + Longbow on PvE/tPvP/WvW. Disclipine trait line seems to like axes

Overall I feel stronger in tPvP and WvW now. Specially in WvW. We still lack dirty tricks :P

Sigh..another person who thinks if they can beat bad players then they are A-ok. Have fun in high end competitive tourneys since you won’t even get a team that doesn’t want to carry you.

XII.9401:

Nuorus.8415:

Been warrior since headstart. Love it. Tried to make other classes lvl80, only succeeded on mesmer. Otherwice I just miss my warrior and change back. In WvW I find warrior the best class. After the patch either I have only faced bad guardians/eles/mesmers or the new traits are so freaking awesomely good I can take two d/d eles at the same time. I did loose to them cuz they got me on downed stage while I tried to finish them. In tPvP I had most score and overall enemy teams seems just to rage quit. I killed almost everything there. Had still hard time againts beastmaster Rangers. Axe/shield + Longbow on PvE/tPvP/WvW. Disclipine trait line seems to like axes

Overall I feel stronger in tPvP and WvW now. Specially in WvW. We still lack dirty tricks :P

Sigh..another person who thinks if they can beat bad players then they are A-ok. Have fun in high end competitive tourneys since you won’t even get a team that doesn’t want to carry you.

Sigh… maybe you should try to read again what I wrote and don’t mix your imagination to it. If you can’t do that I can tell how you just failed big time.

Edit: Also I readed your other post where you whined about condi mesmer. If you go WvW you can use food to make condis to become useless. In PvP it’s still hard to kill those sneaky … mesmers

PvE, I feel great playing a warrior, and I don’t even run full zerker(I probably should, but eh, hammer is just fun and kinetic). In WvW, it’s not so much as ‘underpowered’, as it is ‘incomplete’ for me. What I mean is, the tools that I work with, they’re pretty good, but I don’t have enough tool mixup to cover all my bases.

XII.9401:

Guardians and Necros are great in group situations but thankfully few good solo guardians roam wvw.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here. What’s the problem with solo Guardians? I have one now and though I don’t ever play her, I don’t see her as much of a threat in WvW. She has NO ranged ability and isn’t much good in a zerg. Also, she can only crit for a max of about 6K with the GS. That’s nothing compared to a similarly equipped Warrior.

Pve we are amazing. WvW we are still a pretty weak class due to our low sustainability. Don’t even get me started on how sucky we are in tPVP. Warrior didn’t get a real sustain boost in this update which is what alot of people were asking for. so Yes to answer your question. I still feel EXTREMELY underpowered compared to when I play my Mesmer, Guardian, or Ele.

The main issue lies within true competitive play, which is something that very few players are every going to encounter.

When I see a quote like this – “Have fun in high end competitive tourneys since you won’t even get a team that doesn’t want to carry you.” – I really don’t understand the point. A large group of people will never play in tournaments or even PvP at all.

The complainers are vocal and either can’t stand PvE/WvW or play only PvP. Warriors are great in PvE and solid in WvW. PvP is where they suffer, and yet that is only one piece of the game.

All that being said, I’m not against buffs to Warriors for PvP, as it is apparent that they need them. I just wish I didn’t have to see a complaint thread every other line down the forums. Should just move your complaints to the PvP forum where they will maybe get seen by the PvP teams.

Nuorus.8415:

XII.9401:

Nuorus.8415:

Been warrior since headstart. Love it. Tried to make other classes lvl80, only succeeded on mesmer. Otherwice I just miss my warrior and change back. In WvW I find warrior the best class. After the patch either I have only faced bad guardians/eles/mesmers or the new traits are so freaking awesomely good I can take two d/d eles at the same time. I did loose to them cuz they got me on downed stage while I tried to finish them. In tPvP I had most score and overall enemy teams seems just to rage quit. I killed almost everything there. Had still hard time againts beastmaster Rangers. Axe/shield + Longbow on PvE/tPvP/WvW. Disclipine trait line seems to like axes

Overall I feel stronger in tPvP and WvW now. Specially in WvW. We still lack dirty tricks :P

Sigh..another person who thinks if they can beat bad players then they are A-ok. Have fun in high end competitive tourneys since you won’t even get a team that doesn’t want to carry you.

Sigh… maybe you should try to read again what I wrote and don’t mix your imagination to it. If you can’t do that I can tell how you just failed big time.

Edit: Also I readed your other post where you whined about condi mesmer. If you go WvW you can use food to make condis to become useless. In PvP it’s still hard to kill those sneaky … mesmers

I like how you use the word ‘fail’ in your replies. Do you also use terms such as learn to play etc?.

How can you make confusion useless when it pops immediately when you attack? I fail to see your logic. Condition duration won’t help you much against a mesmer if they burst it on you well timed.
Check the mesmer forums. They are reporting they are still one-2 shotting people with confusion post nerf. Don’t tell me that you as PVE warrior -judging from your posts- know better than the players playing their own class in pvp or wvw?

Judging from your posts you love to PVE which is cute and all but we are talking about going against other classes.

As I said,you did not run into good players. Give me your name and I will meet up with you in an Arena with a good mesmer, engy, ranger or thief and frap it. I’d love to see how well you do.

I’m sorry but if you are happy as a PVE warrior that is cute and all but the rest of us want a fighting change against other classes played by good players.

There is nothing wrong with loving the class and playing it but you shouldn’t assume it is in good standing with other classes.

FinalPatriot.8034:

XII.9401:

Guardians and Necros are great in group situations but thankfully few good solo guardians roam wvw.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here. What’s the problem with solo Guardians? I have one now and though I don’t ever play her, I don’t see her as much of a threat in WvW. She has NO ranged ability and isn’t much good in a zerg. Also, she can only crit for a max of about 6K with the GS. That’s nothing compared to a similarly equipped Warrior.

I meant that good solo guardians and necros are a pain in the kitten that is why I’m thankful they aren’t roaming wvw alone like you =p.

Guardians are great in zergs. What are you talking about? Line of warding? Ring of warding? 2-3 guardians alternating that on a choke point in an organized group while their buddies AOE that choke point is amazing.

As for guardians having bad range I completely agree but that won’t affect them vs. a melee toon.

XII.9401:

FinalPatriot.8034:

XII.9401:

Guardians and Necros are great in group situations but thankfully few good solo guardians roam wvw.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here. What’s the problem with solo Guardians? I have one now and though I don’t ever play her, I don’t see her as much of a threat in WvW. She has NO ranged ability and isn’t much good in a zerg. Also, she can only crit for a max of about 6K with the GS. That’s nothing compared to a similarly equipped Warrior.

I meant that good solo guardians and necros are a pain in the kitten that is why I’m thankful they aren’t roaming wvw alone like you =p.

Guardians are great in zergs. What are you talking about? Line of warding? Ring of warding? 2-3 guardians alternating that on a choke point in an organized group while their buddies AOE that choke point is amazing.

As for guardians having bad range I completely agree but that won’t affect them vs. a melee toon.

Yeah, I see your point now. Sorry, I’m pretty dense when I’m tired.

I agree, I do tend to roam quite a bit but it rare that I hear someone yell out, “Holy Crap! It’s a Guardian! Run for your lives!” It’s more like, “Crap, she’s not even worth fighting.” Then they just leave. /sigh

For a Zerg, yeah, the defense is pretty good but I think the Warrior’s range attack (rifle ) I just too much fun. When I play my Mesmer, Warriors tend to be an easy target unless they are good with those ranged attacks. I don’t go for that shatter spec nonsense (boring) so if I get caught off guard, a decent Warrior can eat me alive.

XII.9401:

Nuorus.8415:

XII.9401:

Nuorus.8415:

Been warrior since headstart. Love it. Tried to make other classes lvl80, only succeeded on mesmer. Otherwice I just miss my warrior and change back. In WvW I find warrior the best class. After the patch either I have only faced bad guardians/eles/mesmers or the new traits are so freaking awesomely good I can take two d/d eles at the same time. I did loose to them cuz they got me on downed stage while I tried to finish them. In tPvP I had most score and overall enemy teams seems just to rage quit. I killed almost everything there. Had still hard time againts beastmaster Rangers. Axe/shield + Longbow on PvE/tPvP/WvW. Disclipine trait line seems to like axes

Overall I feel stronger in tPvP and WvW now. Specially in WvW. We still lack dirty tricks :P

Sigh..another person who thinks if they can beat bad players then they are A-ok. Have fun in high end competitive tourneys since you won’t even get a team that doesn’t want to carry you.

Sigh… maybe you should try to read again what I wrote and don’t mix your imagination to it. If you can’t do that I can tell how you just failed big time.

Edit: Also I readed your other post where you whined about condi mesmer. If you go WvW you can use food to make condis to become useless. In PvP it’s still hard to kill those sneaky … mesmers

I like how you use the word ‘fail’ in your replies. Do you also use terms such as learn to play etc?.

How can you make confusion useless when it pops immediately when you attack? I fail to see your logic. Condition duration won’t help you much against a mesmer if they burst it on you well timed.
Check the mesmer forums. They are reporting they are still one-2 shotting people with confusion post nerf. Don’t tell me that you as PVE warrior -judging from your posts- know better than the players playing their own class in pvp or wvw?

Judging from your posts you love to PVE which is cute and all but we are talking about going against other classes.

As I said,you did not run into good players. Give me your name and I will meet up with you in an Arena with a good mesmer, engy, ranger or thief and frap it. I’d love to see how well you do.

I’m sorry but if you are happy as a PVE warrior that is cute and all but the rest of us want a fighting change against other classes played by good players.

There is nothing wrong with loving the class and playing it but you shouldn’t assume it is in good standing with other classes.

Huh? I have a mesmer and I am still running confusion in WvW its still good but its not 1-2 shotting people. Its a 50% nerf to the damage its alot no way to get around it. You can still run glamour and spec Im at 123% duration for condition with scepter/torch but you arent 1-2 shotting people unless they are some glass with low HP pool spamming grenades (see engi)

Also the nerf to blinding befuddlement is a big hit to chaos shield. Confusion still works but it definitely isn’t 1-2 shotting people. You would have to hit scepter 3 all stacks drop your glamours and they have to run in and out of it.

8 stacks of confusion at 1500 condition damage is 1420 damage per skill use with this nerf. Thats less than my warriors axe auto attack.

What you see in the mesmer forums are people still realizing you can kill people with confusion just not as fast like before i.e. 1-2 shotting as you put it.

XII.9401:

*Did you know that pistol dagger thieves can attack you with 3 -I think 4 possible, to- heartseakers while remaining in stealth? So much for attack breaking stealth. Check it out. Black powder/heart seeker combo.

Wrong. Revealed.

Here’s a defensive build for sPvP:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRApZ3ejgOtuJPOPMxBE0DNMLEQVB7I9QMQj0A-T4AgzCmIKSVkrITRyisFNCZFymjTITQehA

You have shout heals, retal, an enormous amount of CC, leeching, and Lyssa runes make me wait to use Signet of Rage until at the start of or before a fight. Your damage will suck, in comparison to the GS builds, but you will be very, very hard to kill.

i hate my warr in wvw… i had a tanky build that was fun abusing the reflect on block… but i just feel so… meh with anything else
i didnt find sniping nubs with rifle as fun as people claim either "/

Linguistically Inept.6583:

i didnt find sniping nubs with rifle as fun as people claim either "/

The “sucks to be you” fun part of sniping wears off quickly.

I fully realize I am in the minority. I WvW I feel like a king. I can outrun almost any class and due to picking up tactics from other wvw warrior I can out run any class lol. My DPs is solid enough to drop most classes. Sword is amazing not just for 2. I think the issue is the way most people see warrior isn’t as a kite class they get freaked out by conditions and not having a one time burst and say that the class is weak. I think in reference to WvW you have to pick and choose what you want to do. In most situations I rather play warrior than any other class considering he is my highest ranked WvW toon it shows.

I do just fine in spvp as a warrior running 0/25/30/0/10 with hammer and axe/shield
Great burst damage, and the constant CC basically screws everyone over