Guild Wars 2

Talking about PVP.

I hope berserker changes everything, atm it’s just disgusting. Warrior is reduced to a one spam class cause of the last stand buff and shield buff which indirectly buffed axe + GS. And what does axe + GS do again? It just baits dodges spamming auto attacks and flat out kills people who runs out of dodges and stun breaks. Boring playstyle yet they buff the boring easy effective build.

I don’t know why dumb down classes such as giving ele an evade on dagger main hand instead of making classes fun and challenging. ANET just did the pattern with spirit ranger and d/d ele into warrior again.

It’s just not fun to play this game anymore when things can’t be hard and op. They have to be easy and op.

I miss playing Mace, I miss playing builds without GS in it, but ANET is literally on the wrong with this change.

Like it’s a mix of bad balancing decisions and maybe the blueprinting system of this game is just so bad that you can’t develop things like “three weapon swap warrior” or ’controllable pet ranger."

I don’t think believe this game will change for the better with HoT that being said.

Yup, all warrior snow run Gs+axe shield

I remember when running GS in pvp was for the bads

It’s all about knowing the rotation behind the build and fortunately Warrior has a very telegraphed rotation with GS/Axe + Shield. 90% of the time you’ll get shield stunned into an eviscerate after swapping from GS because of adrenaline farm needed, knowing this will not make the fight easier but way more manageable.

If you’re burning dodges and stun breakers in anything other than shield stun and bull charges then there has to be another way to deal with the insane pressure this build can create (kiting, stealth, blocking) there are multiple ways, just need to have the right defensive options and use them wisely.

Boring? Been playing GS+Axe shield in WvW/pvp since forever on warrior and it is the funniest build out there for my personnal taste (see here a person who loves full melee class).

It just baits dodges spamming auto attacks and flat out kills people who runs out of dodges and stun breaks. Boring playstyle yet they buff the boring easy effective build.

Hell, if you make the people use all their dodge/stability and invulnerability… I sure hope you enjoyed that fight! As for dodging auto attack… tell me why on earth would someone position himself on melee range vs a full melee warrior and hope to survive based on dodge roll alone if he runs a non-melee build?

Some builds can face a full melee warror on melee range (see here celestial D/F ele, medi guard for exemples).

As for ranged builds being able to beat a full melee warrior, there is plenty who can wins in a 1v1 situation if played right. The best exemple would be the mesmer who is usually considered a hard match-up for a full melee warrior (see here GS/staff shatter mesmer, condi PU mesmer for exemples).

Evsicerate is one of the heaviest telegraphed skill in the whole game, if you can’t force the opponent to use his dodge/stab how on earth are you suposed to land that F1 skill… which is high damage at the cost of a telegraph skill, same as rifle f1 and hammer f1 which give decent damage + stun for a price in telegraph.

It is one of the reason a skilled mesmer with a staff has a high chance of winning over a skilled warrior due to phase retreat, a skill with a 10 second cooldown and usable while stunned (makes it hard to land the big combos of a warrior, be it a F1 or hundred blades when comboed with a stun).

I don’t see how outplaying your opponent when it comes to cooldown management/ use of dodge rolls or terrain is a bad thing.

Here is a video of I Rising Raiden I from Trillmatic™. The build did not change much over the years, it is a little more zerker than it was before due to the overall damage increase of last patch and now we could add the shield cooldown reduction on top of that, anyway enjoy! : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR77R9uoY8M

I haven’t run axe since… I don’t even know. Sw/shield masterrace!

Nier.8741:

Talking about PVP.

I hope berserker changes everything, atm it’s just disgusting. Warrior is reduced to a one spam class cause of the last stand buff and shield buff which indirectly buffed axe + GS. And what does axe + GS do again? It just baits dodges spamming auto attacks and flat out kills people who runs out of dodges and stun breaks. Boring playstyle yet they buff the boring easy effective build.

I don’t know why dumb down classes such as giving ele an evade on dagger main hand instead of making classes fun and challenging. ANET just did the pattern with spirit ranger and d/d ele into warrior again.

It’s just not fun to play this game anymore when things can’t be hard and op. They have to be easy and op.

I miss playing Mace, I miss playing builds without GS in it, but ANET is literally on the wrong with this change.

Like it’s a mix of bad balancing decisions and maybe the blueprinting system of this game is just so bad that you can’t develop things like “three weapon swap warrior” or ’controllable pet ranger."

I don’t think believe this game will change for the better with HoT that being said.

This is ridiculous – before the shield BUFF I hardly EVER saw a warrior go for an axe/shield set-up over hammer. Now that we have Axe/Shield as viable people complain again.
Wow.

GS/Axe-shield is very strong. I am using cleric + shield but this build sometimes inflict me like 15000 dmg in just 1~2 sec (when all combo inflicted succesffuly, quickness -> shield bash-> evis-> weapon swap to invoke hydro->some of 100b or arcing slice -> whirlwind attack). I am not doubt that this build can pwn dd cele ele because even cleric + heavy armor + shield which is tankier than dd cele ele would get damaged like that.

In other hand, mace isn’t that much in really useful unless it’s about playing defensively. The reason is that most of builds in any class has stability & break stun and the biggest bad point is its animation : Skullcrack is too easy to be dodged.

I guess Skullcrack’s animation need to be totally changed like leap skill and it should remove some stacks of stability (not whole stability) when successfully inflicted, otherwise you can do nothing for another 10sec and hopefully hope that they don’t have extra stability or break stun skill.

Currently GS/mace-shield isn’t that viable in spvp. if anet would do above it will be viable for sure.

Got a link to the build so we can all test it out and see if we agree?

online.1278:

GS/Axe-shield is very strong. I am using cleric + shield but this build sometimes inflict me like 15000 dmg in just 1~2 sec (when all combo inflicted succesffuly, quickness -> shield bash-> evis-> weapon swap to invoke hydro->100b or arcing slice -> whirlwind attack). I am not doubt that this build can pwn dd cele ele because even cleric + heavy armor + shield which is tankier than dd cele ele would get damaged like that.

lmao are you for real

StonePower.8321:

online.1278:

GS/Axe-shield is very strong. I am using cleric + shield but this build sometimes inflict me like 15000 dmg in just 1~2 sec (when all combo inflicted succesffuly, quickness -> shield bash-> evis-> weapon swap to invoke hydro->100b or arcing slice -> whirlwind attack). I am not doubt that this build can pwn dd cele ele because even cleric + heavy armor + shield which is tankier than dd cele ele would get damaged like that.

lmao are you for real

Real. when I using cleric ammy + shield and above combo successfully inflicted on me, I get minimum 10000 to maximum 15000. Toughness in these days is like least attribute.
You can try above combo on target golem in HOTM. you will see that light and medium target golem will get rekt by just one combo above, and heavy type target golem will have around 15% of entire HP when combo ends. You better think you are already dead body if you got all of this combo on you unless you are bunker type.

be sure having zerker ammy, not mara.

it’s an old wvw build. nice too see it getting use. still prefer sw/sh hammer, but whatever’s floats your boat.

Nier.8741:

Talking about PVP.

I hope berserker changes everything, atm it’s just disgusting. Warrior is reduced to a one spam class cause of the last stand buff and shield buff which indirectly buffed axe + GS. And what does axe + GS do again? It just baits dodges spamming auto attacks and flat out kills people who runs out of dodges and stun breaks. Boring playstyle yet they buff the boring easy effective build.

I don’t know why dumb down classes such as giving ele an evade on dagger main hand instead of making classes fun and challenging. ANET just did the pattern with spirit ranger and d/d ele into warrior again.

It’s just not fun to play this game anymore when things can’t be hard and op. They have to be easy and op.

I miss playing Mace, I miss playing builds without GS in it, but ANET is literally on the wrong with this change.

Like it’s a mix of bad balancing decisions and maybe the blueprinting system of this game is just so bad that you can’t develop things like “three weapon swap warrior” or ’controllable pet ranger."

I don’t think believe this game will change for the better with HoT that being said.

Wat? OP? Are you freaking kidding me, this build is so ridiculously predictable that you really shouldn’t have any problems with it if you have a ranged weapon option and know how not to waste dodges. I mean the build is full melee with its biggest burst being super predictable and only having a reliable setup every ~20 seconds with shield bash so if you get into melee range and eat its burst it should wreck the flipping kitten out of you. Thank god the range on evi got nerfed a while ago or else who knows how OP it’d be right?

online.1278:

StonePower.8321:

online.1278:

GS/Axe-shield is very strong. I am using cleric + shield but this build sometimes inflict me like 15000 dmg in just 1~2 sec (when all combo inflicted succesffuly, quickness -> shield bash-> evis-> weapon swap to invoke hydro->100b or arcing slice -> whirlwind attack). I am not doubt that this build can pwn dd cele ele because even cleric + heavy armor + shield which is tankier than dd cele ele would get damaged like that.

lmao are you for real

Real. when I using cleric ammy + shield and above combo successfully inflicted on me, I get minimum 10000 to maximum 15000. Toughness in these days is like least attribute.
You can try above combo on target golem in HOTM. you will see that light and medium target golem will get rekt by just one combo above, and heavy type target golem will have around 15% of entire HP when combo ends. You better think you are already dead body if you got all of this combo on you unless you are bunker type.

be sure having zerker ammy, not mara.

Idk I’ve recently been running axe+shield/LB with knight’s amulet over Gs axe+shield and I really don’t eat such numbers from other wars. I mean sure if I eat a lv 3 evi crit + a full HB when the warrior already has a decent amount of might + lvl 3 berserker’s power buff then it will do that much damage but then again you’d have to be pretty bad or get stunned repetitively or be entirely out of dodges and immobilized or something.

Axe+shield has a somewhat hard time pwning a (properly played ) d/d ele because blinding ashes by itself can be used to screw up our burst so badly it isn’t even funny. This becomes a real problem since this build needs to hit the target with its burst skills to cleanse condis, and once your zerker stance is over you can’t really go into ring of fire or else the burn stacks pile up and if you miss you burst skill well your in pretty deep shiet since “lolburnz” will eat ur HP like crazy. You not being able to be aggressive while RoF is up then gives the ele a break from the possible pressure you could be putting on them and effectively allows them to regen quite a bit of HP.

Azukas.1426:

Got a link to the build so we can all test it out and see if we agree?

This is what I run : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAR3ejMdQZHWFCehAnIGICK9Lm+pwCgIYAwT4FGBA-TpBBAByXGAgjAQHXAAOeAAbcQA6Z/BA

I swap out sigil of int on axe for sigil of accuracy to boost my crit chance on axe up to 81% with fury. I just find it way better than sigil of int since it somewhat limits you to having to use eviscerate within your first three attacks which then makes you even more predictable than you already are. Int is still viable and fire works well too. You can swap mara amulet for zerker amulet but then better grab sigil of int for the bigger much bigger crits you’ll be getting. I find the difference in survivability pretty much non-existent but zerker has less passive crit chance which somewhat annoys me for some reason :S

online.1278:

choovanski.5462:

it’s an old wvw build. nice too see it getting use. still prefer sw/sh hammer, but whatever’s floats your boat.

Radioactive Crysis brought this build into sPvP. 100% sure.

idk. its been in wvw so long im sure random wvw warriors play it in pvp all the time, & always have

Axe shield has always been viable. No idea what op is talking about. Think he doesn’t play warrior Lmao.

k—so what does ax and shield offer due to the patch?

Are you joking? Axe/Sh + GS has been around since BETA….where have you been!? I even have one of my matches recorded from the BWE in 2012 where I was running Axe/Sh – GS (frenzy 100b lawl)

vi·a·ble
?v??b(?)l/
adjective
“capable of working successfully; feasible.”

The amount of players in this game’s community that use this word without even knowing what it means is astounding. Either that or OP actually believes it’s impossible to successfully win a match without GS + axe, which is absolute rubbish.

Well this is GW2 for you just here : people complaining and talking nonsense instead of understanding, looking for solutions and training (referring to opening post).

He says he misses playing mace, I mean why in heaven would it be bad now ? Shield got buffed not axe, so why the whining ? Plus, mace ain’t inferior to axe, just different playstyles.

He says he misses playing builds in which there were no GS, if this is not the pot calling the kettle black, I don’t know what it is ! He must be referring to the time when GS was total rubbish in PvP and when warriors were pigeonholed into LB. Yeah, that sure was more interesting.

Finally, icing on the cake :

I hope berserker changes everything, atm it’s just disgusting. Warrior is reduced to a one spam class cause of the last stand buff and shield buff which indirectly buffed axe + GS. And what does axe + GS do again? It just baits dodges spamming auto attacks and flat out kills people who runs out of dodges and stun breaks. Boring playstyle yet they buff the boring easy effective build.

This made me laugh hard. Explain to me when did warrior ever was a subtle class with complex rotations based gameplay that did not rely on “flattening out” ennemies ? Hambow ? Oh no wait, musn’t be it… Oh, oh ! Skullcracker ! No… Maybe Frenzy Hundred Blades ? Missed again ? aww… Ok, so it’s gotta be Shoutbow, I’m positive ! …Whaaat ?!

Well yeah, that one was more subtle it’s true.

Anyway, enough with obvious irony, I think I made my point…

If you miss playing mace, celestial macebow is still pretty good in 1v1 and probably one of the best warrior builds at killing eles right now.

As for axe GS being the only viable build, i don’t even think it’s out strongest build. Sword shield / GS is better imo.

Killshot warrior or not interested.

The great things about this is that we are finally getting some viable different options back.

It just does way too much damage for how much survivability it has

As of now, only useful build i would use for warrior in pvp are just settler shoutbow and berserker gs/axe-shield.

For skullcrack, it needs more buff like being leaping skill or break stability : it’a just hard to land or being ignored by break stuns & stability.

The thing is, warrior does have a huge amount of damage compared to his sustain with gs/axe-shield, but let’s not forget that it gets kited really easily.

With all the access to blocks/blinds/cripple/chill and ranged attacks that every current meta builds and most of other good build have, if you can’t kite a warrior and persist on fighting him head on, you really should reconsider your playstyle.

Besides, all the damaging attacks have telegraphed patterns. It is really easy to avoid them when you focus a bit.

Been playing gs +axe/shield since forever.

Its always been viable in wvw and pvp. Its just had a small buff and now everyone is raging over it. Warrior is far from OP. it had a few seconds shaved off cooldowns on shield and an extra second of stun, which finally makes 100b a little more likely to be useful other then killing downed/ressing apponents.

Warrior has finally been given a buff rather than a nerf, and all of a sudden we are OP? Come on guys grow up.

Maybe your profession has had a nerf to it this latest patch, well, warrior has had so many nerfs over the years its nice to get SOMETHING, which helps build synergies.

I think it’s Axe Shield /GS was over shadowed by hammer/GS of late. People forgot about it and now it seems that the shield buff pushed it back into the spot light. The truth is that this build wasn’t very far behind.

To me the riffle buff is much bigger but it’s our single target range DPS weapon and it’s extremely telegraphed.

It’s funny seeing people qq when they’re bad. Warrior isn’t op pre buff, it isn’t op post buff.

yanoch.7051:

I think it’s Axe Shield /GS was over shadowed by hammer/GS of late. People forgot about it and now it seems that the shield buff pushed it back into the spot light. The truth is that this build wasn’t very far behind.

To me the riffle buff is much bigger but it’s our single target range DPS weapon and it’s extremely telegraphed.

Idk tbh I’ve always somewhat hated hammer and couldn’t see how it could become meta given how ridiculously predictable it is…I mean…the telegraphs are just insane. Whenever I fight a hammer war I feel like I’m fighting somebody who’s playing in slow motion. I guess in group fights its decent since you can stunlock enemies that aren’t paying attention to u but when hitting the far node and getting in a 1v1 I just feel its terrible if the other player knows what to do.

ReaperJr.5967:

It’s funny seeing people qq when they’re bad. Warrior isn’t op pre buff, it isn’t op post buff.

I play warrior and it is op in wvw roaming XD

online.1278:

choovanski.5462:

it’s an old wvw build. nice too see it getting use. still prefer sw/sh hammer, but whatever’s floats your boat.

Radioactive Crysis brought this build into sPvP. 100% sure.

GS+Axe/Shield was literally the first viable meta build for warrior in sPvP. It’s as old as BWE1.

shield buff was unnecessary, war also has insane uptime on stability now. next patch we’re gonna be op calling it now because of the power creep

The pattern on what makes something braindead is, all you pay attention to is reliably baiting ONLY DODGES and finishing off the moment they have no more DODGE while you have so many ways to defend yourself. You don’t have to pay attention to 50% of the defense cool downs that is in the game.

This is why Ele Mesmer Ranger Guardian are all braindead classes because all they do is sustain while baiting dodges. It takes absolutely no skill. This is EXACTLY what Axe + GS does but it was balanced before cause of last stand AND shield stance being at a reasonable cool down. Mace/Hammer builds could compete with it cause you can duel an Axe + GS Warrior and still be able to put more to the table depending on your skill level. Now if you go Stunlock Warrior against an Axe + GSWarrior? He will get away with 1 spamming, spamming great sword evade for when it’s up, being impossible to catch instead of timing evis because of last stand and shield buff.

Pick sword over axe? You can’t duel as well. Pick Mace over Axe? What’s the point when you have to pay attention to both stun breaks and dodges when with Axe all you have to pay attention to is dodge? Not using shield? Why put yourself at a disadvantage.

Combine all of that with GS, which was already a meta enforced weapon, I wonder what reason there is to not take last stand and a shield with GS evade spam? Hmm… Oh there is none.

My concern is “the only thing ANET can do is dumb down instead of making things fun and interesting.” I don’t understand why ANET enforces the meta instead of making the meta diverse in a HEALTHY WAY. Like they buffed the easiest Warrior build instead of helping skull crack or non-GS builds get better, sigh.

TL;DR this change enforced the Warrior meta and I don’t like it.

P.S Yeah you could argue that Axe + GS duels other professions well, sure. But why is ANET enforcing the meta so hard and making it so only one build is good? Is Math and application so hard? If they can’t do anything innovative they can at least use numbers and casting times or adrenaline gain on Mace and Hammer for example.

GS/Axe will never be op in pvp at least not now. It has now uniqe usage in a teamcomp and is just inferior to classic mesmer/thief comps. Especally when chronomancer hits.
Not to mention that GS/Axe warrior will probably be a wasted spot if you consider how many strong builds will get introdcued with HoT: Reaper,Chrono,Druid,Revenent etc.
No place for a warrior using gimmick-builds.

Atm. Shoutbow is meta and not Gs/axe and Shoutbow is the only reason why you would ever bring a warrior in the current pvp state. Everything else is just suboptimal in comparison with other classes.

Trepidation Lost.3469:

ReaperJr.5967:

It’s funny seeing people qq when they’re bad. Warrior isn’t op pre buff, it isn’t op post buff.

I play warrior and it is op in wvw roaming XD

Right? I never quite understood why though. Is it because warrior has more base stats? How come I’m a scrub warrior in pvp, and the moment I enter a Borderland I’m suddendly 1v2ing everyone and his grandma? Can someone please tell me what makes warrior so strong in WvW?

Sorel.4870:

Trepidation Lost.3469:

ReaperJr.5967:

It’s funny seeing people qq when they’re bad. Warrior isn’t op pre buff, it isn’t op post buff.

I play warrior and it is op in wvw roaming XD

Right? I never quite understood why though. Is it because warrior has more base stats? How come I’m a scrub warrior in pvp, and the moment I enter a Borderland I’m suddendly 1v2ing everyone and his grandma? Can someone please tell me what makes warrior so strong in WvW?

Ahh maybe lucky evis and killshot

Food and consumable is a huge buff to warriors. Also in spvp your job is to defend a spot while in WvW you can use your mobility at it full extend.

Some could claim guard stacks but to me this is more a buff to other class. 2.5k HP on a warrior isn’t worth the same on a guard/thief/mesmer.

I run celestial mace/shield/longbow/rampage. I eat burst combinations for breakfast.

There will always be complaints about anything in this game. Jesus… Warrior is a very powerful class, that’s it. Nothing more. Definitely not OP. Almost everyone takes stances (as they appear to be the most effective with berserker gear) which have high CD. You can just bait those. Is it too hard? Then learn it.
Warrior’s biggest enemy is blind spam. They can use berserker stance if opponent is a decent player, they will just kite/evade telegraphed skills for 8-10 sec.
Warrior is easy for beginners, yes, but try your advanced skills against equally skilled player of other class.
If you think warrior is too strong, just wait for the daredevil which will probably be capable of dodging/evading every single warrior’s melee attack.

And remember, if you get killed by warrior, you weren’t spamming blinds enough.

hardly OP. don’t even see that many axe/shield warriors in PvP to begin with. people say hammer is telegraphed, uhhhh, any1 heard of a skill called eviscerate?

Azure.8670:

I remember when running GS in pvp was for the bads

And I was one of those bads, because I loved the flavor of GS. And now OP’s tears make me laugh.

yeah, hope this Gs/axe-shield (GreatAxe) build or some other new rage zerker wattior builds become meta replacing ShoutBow :p

online.1278:

yeah, hope this Gs/axe-shield (GreatAxe) build or some other new rage zerker wattior builds become meta replacing ShoutBow :p

Seriously I wonder who the hell comes up with these garbage kitten names for builds “Greataxe” “Greatbow” wtf srsly…I wonder if they’ve ever tried saying them to see how terrible it sounds.

Rekt.5360:

online.1278:

yeah, hope this Gs/axe-shield (GreatAxe) build or some other new rage zerker wattior builds become meta replacing ShoutBow :p

Seriously I wonder who the hell comes up with these garbage kitten names for builds “Greataxe” “Greatbow” wtf srsly…I wonder if they’ve ever tried saying them to see how terrible it sounds.

I don’t like too, in fact, but, it is easiest way to define the build.

I think people just adopt it from the good old hambow days and naming everything like that since:D Also OP probably only plays/played meta builds and now that the community has decided gs axe shield is meta he’s like WOAH its OP! I mean gs axe shield was always good fun even back when pvp was a chore to rank up.

Zach.2618:

I think people just adopt it from the good old hambow days and naming everything like that since:D Also OP probably only plays/played meta builds and now that the community has decided gs axe shield is meta he’s like WOAH its OP! I mean gs axe shield was always good fun even back when pvp was a chore to rank up.

GreatAxe is not yet meta. It is in metabattle in a category called “draft”.

It didn’t even show and prove any win history against The Abjured yet, which the way ShoutBow proved by oRNG pwned The Abjured before in 2015 Boston world tournament.

We need to wait until any team using GreatAxe would pwn The Abjued. : Meta build shouldn’t be just any build in fact. If metabattle replace current meta ShoutBow with GreatAxe without any verification & win history in GW2 tournament history, I wouldn’t believe this website anymore.

It needs verification and proof of its effectiveness against strong team. And I believe this must be the way to become a meta build. or at least 2nd place.

LOL, yeah Axe Shield GS is the easy effective build. Not condi face smash keyboard mace warriors, or shoutbow, or gimmicky Gun Flame specs (used by yours truly for the lolz).

Seriously, if you’re going to call one of the highest skill cap builds in Warriordom, the GS Axe Shield which has been AROUND FOREVER due to some buffs atm then you are sorely delusional.

Sorel.4870:

Trepidation Lost.3469:

ReaperJr.5967:

It’s funny seeing people qq when they’re bad. Warrior isn’t op pre buff, it isn’t op post buff.

I play warrior and it is op in wvw roaming XD

Right? I never quite understood why though. Is it because warrior has more base stats? How come I’m a scrub warrior in pvp, and the moment I enter a Borderland I’m suddendly 1v2ing everyone and his grandma? Can someone please tell me what makes warrior so strong in WvW?

Easy. The general level of skill in play is higher in Spvp than WvW. In WvW players tend to rely less on an even battlefield in terms of stats, food buffs etc and are carried by their stats picking up bad habits and so when someone with an ounce of skill comes a long a lot of them flop over and die. Not all WvW roamers ofc, but a vast majority as an average have less skill than PvPs in my experience.

I mean yeah, cool, but it is still yet again another variation on a double endure pain build.

Is this viable?..or is this a disguised thread highlighting all of warriors issues with movement skills? I can’t tell.

Rush used out side of 600 range is a near 100% miss.

Shield bash movement skill with mobile strikes removes cripple, but the distance traveled is still halved.

Bulls rush will over shoot 80% of the time.

Eviscerate is prone to having bad hair days most days.

Not trying to be hater here, just calling as it is. This build would do well against inexperienced players in hotjoin..any one of mediocre skill level will handle this build in stride. Gotta agree with pistol whip on this..most Pvp players will counter this build fairly easily.