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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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I’ve recently been using this build in solo queue, and it’s quite effective. I think that the warrior bunker beats out the guardian bunker currently, especially in solo queue where it’s harder to focus you down. You maintain about 750 health regeneration per second with constant teamwide swiftness, vigor, and regeneration. You’re also quite tanky with 3.5k armor and 30k health.

http://intothemists.com/guides/1004-banner_bunker_warrior

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Posted by: Oxygen.5918

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Do you find your lack of damage and mobility, and below average (for warrior, anyway) condition removal to be a problem? While bunkering is cool at times, it’s often beneficial to be able to actually kill people and help out elsewhere. So I’m wondering how much success you’re having exactly. How about getting kited?

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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I run it as a mid bunker, not a home point bunker, so I’m generally not going to be fighting alone. That means I don’t need to kill someone alone. Using Skull Crack, Shield Bash, and Flurry, I can hold someone in place for my team to burst. The condition removal from the warhorn and Cleansing Ire is enough almost all the time. To put it another way, I’ve been having enough success that I’ve been asked for my build many time, had multiple guardians say that bunker warriors need nerfs, and made Ostrich Eggs rage on stream.

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Posted by: Drek Thalon.5490

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I enjoy bunker banner builds but find running more than 1 banner to be a little redundant. Also, your healing power is very low for how much you’ve invested in the bonus regen. I think you would have much more success if you ran clerics.

I also prefer shouts builds over banner builds because with my bonus boon duration and rune setup I have near 100% regen uptime anyways so it makes banner sustain kinda meh in comparison. along with that i have 2k aoe heals from each shout and 460 ticks from healing signet.

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Posted by: Steelo.4597

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whats your rune setup for 100% regen uptime without banners? O_O

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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I run this in team queue as well, and one of the strengths of bringing two banners is being able to have them at different points. Then we have constant regeneration in two fights. Also, the scaling on healing power is 0.225 per second. Cleric’s Amulet gives 798 Healing Power. The Jewel adds another 125, making it 923 Healing Power. That’s an additional 208 regeneration per second. The Soldier’s Amulet gives you 644 extra Vitality, which is 6,440 health. To match that with the regeneration boost, you’d have to survive approximately 30 seconds. Now, there are definitely fights that last that long. However, unless you’re getting focused, you’re going to stay at full health the whole fight. That means you have to survive 30 seconds while being focused for it to be worth it. Now, you could definitely get to that point with this build, so lets assume that you’re poisoned the whole fight, which isn’t that unbelievable in the current meta. Then you only regenerate 139 health per second, and you need to survive 46 seconds. I just feel like the Cleric’s Amulet is too situational.

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Posted by: Matzepeng.1053

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Looks interesting. I’m running a condi banner warrior the last few weeks in solo queue and I find it pretty effective:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNBjYDbk0p9NFSGCHOAge8VVbdKkU6RYstGA-TsAg2CpIASBkDIDQSgsANEZJyeBA

Personally I find bunkering much easier with a ranged weapon and Cleansing Ire works much better with LB than anything else. With the runes and the traited Warhorn you actually have a pretty good up-time of protection. The weapons synergise well and you can put out quite a bit of pressure with the bleeds and burning, while having access to plenty off soft CC.

I’ve also been experimenting with Forge runes and Banner of Defense, but I think this setup is working better. The root (it’s basically like the ranger elite without the bleeding) can actually be quite annoying for people and they normally don’t expect it at all it and likely waste a condi cleanse on it only to get immobilized again shortly after with bow 5 or Flurry.

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Posted by: Steelo.4597

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on top of protection you have a good uptime of regen aswell from dogged march and traited warhorn (i even use dwayna runes aswell – 15 seconds regen on proc with +20% regen duration) – warhorn converts poison into regen from the people trying to “counter” you huehue… thats why shouts is where its at when it comes to sustained healing, and will definately be with next patch. i will do some maths after patch to prove this is by far the best healing you can get on warrior, but i would guess it is already now.

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Posted by: Drek Thalon.5490

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http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNBJhJ6k0hkHbeQKIcIDIoHaYVIgqCwR6RYwGpBA-TsAgzCmIuRdj7GzNSvseNQYFyMEA

This is my mace/horn + hammer shout build. I wish I had a video for ya, but I’ve been lazy with my frapsing lately.

On paper you will have 50% retaliation uptime from Spiked Armor and 40% boon duration. Also, you will have 60% increased regen duration when you combine your bonn duration with the increased regen duration from Dwayna runes. Combine Dwayna Rune proc, Dogged March, and Poison Conversion with your Warhorn and you can achieve a regen uptime that is very close to 100%. Combo this with your 2k shout heals and your 460 regen signet ticks and your sustain is amazing.

I use the Inspiring Shouts and Versatile Rage because this build is meant strictly for support not damage. You get almost 1 bar of adrenaline per shout, and almost 1 bar from a weapon swap. More adrenaline means more Skull Cracks/Earthshakers which means more support CC and also more condi cleansing for yourself. You shed conditions like water with this build.

Try this build with full soldier runes. It’s a nice substitute.

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Posted by: Coloxeus.3480

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Meta Banner Bunker Condi Warr!

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Posted by: Steelo.4597

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nice build, though very niche.. but i think condition builds are better for this kind of high heal aiming if you are not strictly running support with an organized team, target lockdown with a good group that does the dps for you – you can actually kill people on your own with conditions and its not very hard because of bleeds and burns, and i heal the same as you. the reason is you need only 1 stat for condition damage – condition damage – while your build is a power build which actually needs power, precision and critical damage to do good damage. so you trade off damage for heal while i trade off pretty nothing ^^ have a look at the build in my sig of course i had to drop spiked armor which was pretty cool against those warriors axe 5 and thieves trying to daggerstorm – but all in all i feel this is a lot more powerfull now on the condi side – except if you insist on being support only. also it has mobility because it uses sword. however if i wanted to make a hammer / mace build it would look similar to yours, but i would definately spec into unsuspecting foe and would drop either spiked armor or inspiring shouts – 50% crit chance is just too nice for a double stun weapon setup (even if you dont use shield).

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Posted by: Steelo.4597

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4116 armor on that warrior in the video? hard to believe. also what kind of bunker build inflicts vulnerability running a condi setup? what is his exact build? i think he made some bad choices in the build so this video doesnt represent a good banner bunker spec, nvm his skill level.

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Posted by: Coloxeus.3480

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4116 armor on that warrior in the video? hard to believe. also what kind of bunker build inflicts vulnerability running a condi setup? what is his exact build? i think he made some bad choices in the build so this video doesnt represent a good banner bunker spec, nvm his skill level.

Ya i gonna post my screen shot later after my work he really has 4.1k armor! And insane perma heal!!

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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

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Looks cool, sucks against conditions.

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Posted by: Matzepeng.1053

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4116 is the highest armor you can get on a warrior to my knowledge – Banner of Defense, Dolyak signet, traited Shield, Toughness runes (your pick) and Shamans Amulet/Jewel. (Unless I’m missing something) He was running warhorn however which would mean 3965 which is still pretty high though.

Anyway I think you need to find a balance between healing, thoughness and condi damage to make it work. I agree with Steelo that you will be able to put out more pressure going the condi route than if you go for power, because you only have to rely on one stat, instead of three really. Then again with the CC you’ll bring other things to the table, especially if you stick to team fights. It depends on what you role you want to play I suppose.

@Daecollo I’m not quite sure who your comment was addressed to, but in my case with warhorn, cleransing Ire and zerker stance, plus the high HPS, condis are not the biggest issue at all. High burst damage and hard CC is much more dangerous imo.
I think we’re in a good spot right now and we might not be in the guardian spot yet, but we’re moving more and more to a bunker warrior being an actual option rather than a gimicky build imo. It’ll be interesting to see how Steelo’s build will work with the changes to shouts as well.

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Posted by: OlrunTheBlade.1486

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Looks cool, sucks against conditions.

Cleansing Ire removes as many as 3 conditions per burst skill, as well as providing more adrenaline. Your warhorn is also traited to removed conditions.

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Posted by: Coloxeus.3480

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4,116 armor

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Posted by: kiwituatara.6053

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Full banner warriors are nice in WvW if you’ve got regen banners traited. Grants regen to 15-20 people in your zerg + each banner buff for 5 people