Guild Wars 2

Well, my last post got removed because of caps in first line.Seems odd but rules are rules.

This was the idea of the post:

Hi, Nicole here. Don’t post often.
Played 20 healers in 20 MMOs since Everquest 1 and DAOC.I am one of the wierdos that likes to heal or support.
As we know, GW2 has no “real” healer.Well, I can’t accept that.
So I went to the mysts and made EVERY class, I used EVERY possible build,EVERY rune set,EVERY sigil.
Sadly 12+ hours later, and 44 charts and graphs , I came to this conclusion:
Warrior is by far the best pvp/wvw combat healer.

B4 one of you tells me how your ( insert another class here) “pwns” at healing and you “like save people non stop”…..
I play daily at work and some at home.8-10 hours a day. ONLY wvw. I have seen it all and battled vs them all…server after server.Was here from day 1.
1.It is VERY rare to see or play with a fully exotic geared/ traited 100% healer of any class.
2.Yes I see some sort of, pseudo healers that dps and sort of heal.

After playing them all, I can say : other classes just do not heal as well or survive as long ( letting me heal longer). Not to mention my AOE dps is quite decent now ( bow).
Other classes can heal yes, but with terrible range, cool downs or they are a glass healer.
I can now spam ( usually) a 12+k AOE blast bow attack and 3k physical AOE bow attack. I know I am not dps, nor do I try and be, the AOE is quite nice though.

Stats and numbers for the number people:
Depending on exact setup ( based on my group):
I have 2200ish-50 000 hit points,3200-5000 armor, up to 2019 heal power, up to 2000 condition damage,17 seconds of defy pain/Block..and I self regen 900-1166 per tick full time.My self heal is 10.5-12.5k.Dropping me is not easy.

Heals :new trick at bottom I can AOE regen 900 range 333-409 a tick NON stop always+ buffs that come with flags. ( never ending)OR I can AOE shout heal 600 ranage+cure+buff instantly 9000 about every 20 sec.( again, based on whats best for group makeup.)
YES healing is weak in this game, but a dedicated full time skilled healer is a night and day diff in fights.Seen it literally thousands of times.Our usual 5 man rolls 5-15 mans easily.
In fights where its my server ( usually out numbered 2-5 to 1) when some team has us stuck at our main base steps for hours…I show up, in 5 seconds we push them back to our OL and promply take it back NP at all…then continue on to take 1/3+ of the map.
I am NOT here bragging about me or my skills. I am a serious player that has played many healers in many MMOS, many of them pvp games.
•I have found a way within the rules to both shout heal and massive regen same time, also how to regen 20+ at the same time**….a girl must have a few secrets )

FASTCAR EVOTURBO ( or Im Sooo Cute and my pet Piggy tails)
http://ascendant.dkpsystem.com/viewpic.php?id=161

For some vids ( im a nub at youtube and vid stuff)
Youtube : GW2 YAKS BEND NICOLE: there are 6 vids….you may have to hit my works youtube account under vid “Boostedlaser” to see all 6 current vids.
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9_rzwD3b0
Next series is the PROPER way to make a condition build ( 2000-5000 damage per tick)
Please watch in Full screen and 1080p
Read descripts and comments under vids.

Hugs
Nikki

may be easier to youtube “boostedlaser” and see all my vids there
please watch in 1080P high def and full screen
make sure to read descripts and comments.

New vids include a sample of condition warrior.WIll make a thread about that
Yet to upload is my ranger build:
Special cat " piggy tails" that can crit for 9000,can heal 15,000- 30,000+ per fight,80-100% crit rate,stacks 4-16 bleeds for 25 sec 66 a tick.runs 90% faster then you can.Well enough of the teaser…more on this in thread #3

I love this game, just wish Necro and Eng got re-done.

Update teaser I was incorrect about the damage per tick of my condition warrior ( sorry)
With setup as of now : I can ( some times) stack 20 bleeds 141-190 × 20 and a 1500 X 6 fire.

please*** If on Yaks bend feel free to send me a message or an E-hug.
If you fight us and see a super cute,tiny ,purple asuran….no attack me just emote a hug or wave ! I will wave back ! hehe

Yup Banner Regen is pretty good when fully specced into especially in WvW.
Even with normal healing power the regen is pretty kitten good.

Still not the best in game tho, Guardian heals for much more with full healing set.
Empower 3k, Shield heal 3k, VoR heals 3k, Breeze 3k, tome full heal and 1.5k heals on 1, plus the same 380 regen ticks.
And he gets a ton more survivability than a Warrior but that goes without saying.

Tried guard, was much less total healing. harder to pull off, less safe, MUCH smaller range.Guard dont last as long in big fights.“book” heals slow and stopped easily .Also cant use it on the move.Total effect is just less.Better then nothing I suppose.IMO waste of a player ( gard) Class is 100x beter used like Akgard.

personally I would rather heal 20 people 400 a tick non stop always.

All classes can heal , just not as well IMO.
I.E. Found a way for my ranger to group heal OVER 1000 a tick AOE.
Granted this is nice BUT, its a small range and a burst heal I guess.

If you have done research with all the classes, you must have done it with guardian at one point fully specced to heal.
I"m assuming you have videos of it.
Please show us so we can compare.

I know warrior is a good healer, but to say that guardian does not survive as long just seems to be bs lol

FASTCAR.7831:

Tried guard, was much less total healing. harder to pull off, less safe, MUCH smaller range.Guard dont last as long in big fights.“book” heals slow and stopped easily .Also cant use it on the move.Total effect is just less.Better then nothing I suppose.IMO waste of a player ( gard) Class is 100x beter used like Akgard.

personally I would rather heal 20 people 400 a tick non stop always.

All classes can heal , just not as well IMO.
I.E. Found a way for my ranger to group heal OVER 1000 a tick AOE.
Granted this is nice BUT, its a small range and a burst heal I guess.

Guardian heals a lot more, but on a narrower radius.
Let alone the damage reduced by protection alone is probably worth more than your regen by itself.

That’s not to say anything bad to your build, but you can’t say it’s the best healer in game that’s simply false.
Also a full support Guardian is pretty much immortal, not even funny lol.
If you die with it, it’s a l2p issue.

Does seem to be a good healer for taking over towers/keeps at the gate.

I’ll reserve #1 healer title (small radius) for my healing mesmer
5-11k heals per 3 seconds and reflect walls.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

FASTCAR.7831:

Tried guard, was much less total healing. harder to pull off, less safe, MUCH smaller range.Guard dont last as long in big fights.“book” heals slow and stopped easily .Also cant use it on the move.Total effect is just less.Better then nothing I suppose.IMO waste of a player ( gard) Class is 100x beter used like Akgard.

personally I would rather heal 20 people 400 a tick non stop always.

All classes can heal , just not as well IMO.
I.E. Found a way for my ranger to group heal OVER 1000 a tick AOE.
Granted this is nice BUT, its a small range and a burst heal I guess.

Guardian heals a lot more, but on a narrower radius.
Let alone the damage reduced by protection alone is probably worth more than your regen by itself.

That’s not to say anything bad to your build, but you can’t say it’s the best healer in game that’s simply false.
Also a full support Guardian is pretty much immortal, not even funny lol.
If you die with it, it’s a l2p issue.

People on this forum like to use this “l2p” a lot, srsly. Bunch of pros and teachers.

I gona try your build OP looks fun.

Opynn.2936:

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

FASTCAR.7831:

Tried guard, was much less total healing. harder to pull off, less safe, MUCH smaller range.Guard dont last as long in big fights.“book” heals slow and stopped easily .Also cant use it on the move.Total effect is just less.Better then nothing I suppose.IMO waste of a player ( gard) Class is 100x beter used like Akgard.

personally I would rather heal 20 people 400 a tick non stop always.

All classes can heal , just not as well IMO.
I.E. Found a way for my ranger to group heal OVER 1000 a tick AOE.
Granted this is nice BUT, its a small range and a burst heal I guess.

Guardian heals a lot more, but on a narrower radius.
Let alone the damage reduced by protection alone is probably worth more than your regen by itself.

That’s not to say anything bad to your build, but you can’t say it’s the best healer in game that’s simply false.
Also a full support Guardian is pretty much immortal, not even funny lol.
If you die with it, it’s a l2p issue.

People on this forum like to use this “l2p” a lot, srsly. Bunch of pros and teachers.

I gona try your build OP looks fun.

Sometimes, it is correct to say L2P.
In this case, he was right to say so.

If you die with a full support Guardian, you really do need to learn to play.
Those guardians are near immortal. You smash your keyboard with your buttocks and still manage to survive.

As they did not read, I TESTED guard ( most of all classes actually)
Yes they can heal, in the real world, effect is just not as good. also gard has terrible hitpoint pool.

In fact my first healer was a gard, that I scrapped after actually trying a warrior in actual large scale wvw.Played both for hours VS the same servers.Died 10x less as a warrior, healed MUCH more.In fact, its not even close.
IMO there is ONE use for a heal-ish spec gard…thats another thread.

L2T learn to test…..not just learn to talk

YES opynn, always kiddies saying ( insert his class here) is better at this or that…but..NEVER tested all other builds and gear sets…I have.

Future posters, feel free to show your uber healing ( insert class here) in wvw mass battles.We would love to see them.

“If you die with a full support Guardian, you really do need to learn to play”
see if a guard can take 20-50+ people + pets and clones beating on him for 18-25 seconds..and NOT die.
I can.

I dont like to give ALL my tricks but:
people ( mostly kids and nubs) get blood lust on pvp games.They wont stop attacking you no matter what . ( im sure many of you know the type).
I run out as bait and let groups try and kill me ( for 18 sec or so) meanwhile my team is killing groups easily as they focus on me.OR taking out siege or smashing a door ect ect.Playing a class is the semi easy part, knowing military tacticts is another thing.

ALSO having the elite flag lets me AOE instant rezz 5 a t atime when I need to.Not to mention the huge combat advantage war banner gives.Buffs from all 4 flags has a HUGE combat effect.

Spamming 12k+ and 2k+ AOEs is also a huge plus at 1200 range.

Anyhoo just showing folks you dont have to be cookie cutter.Other builds are fun and work well.

FASTCAR.7831:

As they did not read, I TESTED guard ( most of all classes actually)
Yes they can heal, in the real world, effect is just not as good. also gard has terrible hitpoint pool.

In fact my first healer was a gard, that I scrapped after actually trying a warrior in actual large scale wvw.Played both for hours VS the same servers.Died 10x less as a warrior, healed MUCH more.In fact, its not even close.
IMO there is ONE use for a heal-ish spec gard…thats another thread.

L2T learn to test…..not just learn to talk

YES opynn, always kiddies saying ( insert his class here) is better at this or that…but..NEVER tested all other builds and gear sets…I have.

Future posters, feel free to show your uber healing ( insert class here) in wvw mass battles.We would love to see them.

“If you die with a full support Guardian, you really do need to learn to play”
see if a guard can take 20-50+ people + pets and clones beating on him for 18-25 seconds..and NOT die.
I can.

I dont like to give ALL my tricks but:
people ( mostly kids and nubs) get blood lust on pvp games.They wont stop attacking you no matter what . ( im sure many of you know the type).
I run out as bait and let groups try and kill me ( for 18 sec or so) meanwhile my team is killing groups easily as they focus on me.OR taking out siege or smashing a door ect ect.Playing a class is the semi easy part, knowing military tacticts is another thing.

ALSO having the elite flag lets me AOE instant rezz 5 a t atime when I need to.Not to mention the huge combat advantage war banner gives.Buffs from all 4 flags has a HUGE combat effect.

Spamming 12k+ and 2k+ AOEs is also a huge plus at 1200 range.

Anyhoo just showing folks you dont have to be cookie cutter.Other builds are fun and work well.

So you’re telling us to “learn to test” but not giving us the test results of your guardian?
What….?

Also, you died 10x more with a guardian?
You’re playing it wrong, lol…
I’m not saying Learn to Play; rather, I think you’re looking for something similar between the two. While a warrior has higher base HP to work with and the heals, the Guardian is more about active abilities to defend.

I think you should “test,” “practice,” “whatever,” a little more with your Guardian.
If you put up a video comparison and can clearly show it, I’ll concede; however, we have quite a few guardians in our guild that go bunker builds. They don’t die, lol.

Wow, a Build that actually can take advantage of 3 person banner stab O.o
Well whaddaya know =P

FASTCAR.7831:

Well, my last post got removed because of caps in first line.Seems odd but rules are rules.

This was the idea of the post:

Hi, Nicole here. Don’t post often.
Played 20 healers in 20 MMOs since Everquest 1 and DAOC.I am one of the wierdos that likes to heal or support.
As we know, GW2 has no “real” healer.Well, I can’t accept that.
So I went to the mysts and made EVERY class, I used EVERY possible build,EVERY rune set,EVERY sigil.
Sadly 12+ hours later, and 44 charts and graphs , I came to this conclusion:
Warrior is by far the best pvp/wvw combat healer.

B4 one of you tells me how your ( insert another class here) “pwns” at healing and you “like save people non stop”…..
I play daily at work and some at home.8-10 hours a day. ONLY wvw. I have seen it all and battled vs them all…server after server.Was here from day 1.
1.It is VERY rare to see or play with a fully exotic geared/ traited 100% healer of any class.
2.Yes I see some sort of, pseudo healers that dps and sort of heal.

After playing them all, I can say : other classes just do not heal as well or survive as long ( letting me heal longer). Not to mention my AOE dps is quite decent now ( bow).
Other classes can heal yes, but with terrible range, cool downs or they are a glass healer.
I can now spam ( usually) a 12+k AOE blast bow attack and 3k physical AOE bow attack. I know I am not dps, nor do I try and be, the AOE is quite nice though.

Stats and numbers for the number people:
Depending on exact setup ( based on my group):
I have 2200ish-50 000 hit points,3200-5000 armor, up to 2019 heal power, up to 2000 condition damage,17 seconds of defy pain/Block..and I self regen 900-1166 per tick full time.My self heal is 10.5-12.5k.Dropping me is not easy.

Heals :new trick at bottom I can AOE regen 900 range 333-409 a tick NON stop always+ buffs that come with flags. ( never ending)OR I can AOE shout heal 600 ranage+cure+buff instantly 9000 about every 20 sec.( again, based on whats best for group makeup.)
YES healing is weak in this game, but a dedicated full time skilled healer is a night and day diff in fights.Seen it literally thousands of times.Our usual 5 man rolls 5-15 mans easily.
In fights where its my server ( usually out numbered 2-5 to 1) when some team has us stuck at our main base steps for hours…I show up, in 5 seconds we push them back to our OL and promply take it back NP at all…then continue on to take 1/3+ of the map.
I am NOT here bragging about me or my skills. I am a serious player that has played many healers in many MMOS, many of them pvp games.
•I have found a way within the rules to both shout heal and massive regen same time, also how to regen 20+ at the same time**….a girl must have a few secrets )

FASTCAR EVOTURBO ( or Im Sooo Cute and my pet Piggy tails)
http://ascendant.dkpsystem.com/viewpic.php?id=161

For some vids ( im a nub at youtube and vid stuff)
Youtube : GW2 YAKS BEND NICOLE: there are 6 vids….you may have to hit my works youtube account under vid “Boostedlaser” to see all 6 current vids.
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9_rzwD3b0
Next series is the PROPER way to make a condition build ( 2000-5000 damage per tick)
Please watch in Full screen and 1080p
Read descripts and comments under vids.

Hugs
Nikki

may be easier to youtube “boostedlaser” and see all my vids there
please watch in 1080P high def and full screen
make sure to read descripts and comments.

New vids include a sample of condition warrior.WIll make a thread about that
Yet to upload is my ranger build:
Special cat " piggy tails" that can crit for 9000,can heal 15,000- 30,000+ per fight,80-100% crit rate,stacks 4-16 bleeds for 25 sec 66 a tick.runs 90% faster then you can.Well enough of the teaser…more on this in thread #3

I love this game, just wish Necro and Eng got re-done.

Everything you wrote is wrong and ridiculous.

Your videos with the clicking and the regen ticks of 350 don’t prove anything.

Guardian outheals a warrior easily, and that’s even before the lovely protection, aegis, elite etc figure in. Even an ele does more healing than this.

Please do some proper research, you’re just wrong.

xiv.7136:

Everything you wrote is wrong and ridiculous.

Your videos with the clicking and the regen ticks of 350 don’t prove anything.

Guardian outheals a warrior easily, and that’s even before the lovely protection, aegis, elite etc figure in. Even an ele does more healing than this.

Please do some proper research, you’re just wrong.

It’s what I wanted to say but I feared infractions so thank you for reading my mind lol.

If you went to the trouble to make charts and graphs you ought to share them.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

xiv.7136:

Everything you wrote is wrong and ridiculous.

Your videos with the clicking and the regen ticks of 350 don’t prove anything.

Guardian outheals a warrior easily, and that’s even before the lovely protection, aegis, elite etc figure in. Even an ele does more healing than this.

Please do some proper research, you’re just wrong.

It’s what I wanted to say but I feared infractions so thank you for reading my mind lol.

Look Ele or Guardian heal speced is going to out heal this ele alone S/D is the strongest heal in the game if we are talking strictly healing (No aegis Protection ETC) with at least 15 trait points in water speced for 30 arcane.

That being said a ranger using http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Spring and a thief using http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cluster_Bomb is the best burst healing your goign to get but given its field any one blasting it is goign to be causing the heal effect also.

If we break it down for ele alone
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Healing_Ripple 10 sec cd applies to group
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Evasive_Arcana ’s http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Wave 10 sec cd applies to group 40 sec cd regular versionof this skill does not share the cd
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elemental_Attunement 10 sec cd for the regen last 5 secs applies to group also applies protection when attuning to earth
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Water_Trident 20 sec 180 radius but 900 range
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Soothing_Mist stacks with regen

All the “hard” heals scale 100% with healing power

Easy to talk and have an untested theory:
Show us your video of ( insert class here) healing better then warrior
Show us you even doing 400 a tick
Till then….shhhhhhh
let the big kids talk

Apparently in all your days of being a WvW champion, you’ve never encountered a single elementalist or guardian.

Please make a video demonstration and volunteer for 1v1 testing vs good players (ie not hotjoin heroes). Otherwise, no. I really doubt you’re the one person who’s discovered that secret build that finally makes warriors strong bunkering. Trust me, it’s been tried. Any shout build, any banner build, any sort of cc, or otherwise any variant. If there was one that could even be considered theoretically competent at tournament play, it would be known.

tl;dr claim with no evidence

FASTCAR.7831:

Easy to talk and have an untested theory:
Show us your video of ( insert class here) healing better then warrior
Show us you even doing 400 a tick
Till then….shhhhhhh
let the big kids talk

I’ve asked and you continue to ignore.
Show us YOU Testing out all the builds.
Show us all these tables you have made.

I don’t see any link in the OP to the build that can shout heal 9K and banner regen 400 a tick and block and defy pain at the same time.
I would like to see that build.

some serious thinking and theorycrafting was performed about warrior support and healing, its all here:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70934-supportive-warrior-builds-think-tank/

and here

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/71682-supportive-warrior-builds-part-ii-numerical-analysis/

nothing is new,
warriors have good group support and the best revive in game.
its a pity that the warrior was hijacked by the “DPS or nothing” mindset.
guardian support and warrior support complete each other.
sometimes I wish this game had raids (10 men??? if shouts and banners could affect more than five people) just to see how support guardian and support warrior work together…

Lalangamena.3694:

I don’t see any link in the OP to the build that can shout heal 9K and banner regen 400 a tick and block and defy pain at the same time.
I would like to see that build.

some serious thinking and theorycrafting was performed about warrior support and healing, its all here:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70934-supportive-warrior-builds-think-tank/

and here

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/71682-supportive-warrior-builds-part-ii-numerical-analysis/

nothing is new,
warriors have good group support and the best revive in game.
its a pity that the warrior was hijacked by the “DPS or nothing” mindset.
guardian support and warrior support complete each other.
sometimes I wish this game had raids (10 men??? if shouts and banners could affect more than five people) just to see how support guardian and support warrior work together…

It’s just that with efficient dodging and a single good guardian, you don’t really need a support warrior. You can burn through anything…
that being said, I think support warriors are THE BEST when its a pub group

gotta love the attention seeking, stating your name and gender regardless if its the truth or not is completely irrelevant to the topic. support warrior can’t compare to what a support elle/guard can bring to a group.

FASTCAR.7831:

Easy to talk and have an untested theory:
Show us your video of ( insert class here) healing better then warrior
Show us you even doing 400 a tick
Till then….shhhhhhh
let the big kids talk

I stand by my earlier statements.

You’re just wrong.

Also, stop clicking, use keybinds.

Love the numbers in OP’s post, they are so absurdly skewed. Mind showing me your 50k hp and 17 seconds of defy pain (Shield 3s+EP 3s+DP 3s, have to hit the 25% sweet spot without dying=24-9s, still 15 secs till block comes of CD when traited).

You pretty much hit a nerve with everything you posted, the attention seeking by stating your gender (there’s a saying for that in a certain image forum), mouseclicking although claiming to be an elite wubwub beast, no data what so ever and an absurdly elitist attitude against people who disagree with you.

Guard/ele does what you’re doing better and xiv took the words out of my mouth on everything.

EDIT: after looking through the OP’s links/post history, he is clearly a troll. 6/10 good sir, made me respond.

really interested to try it
just recently leveled my Warrior to 80 and looking for a good WvW build

can you please share your build ?

I think banner regen has the advantage of big area coverage rather than self pivoted heals though.. i can see how banner heals greatly helps groups of people in a large area battle like wvw., the duration of banners on the field is one of the longest.. and fighting in this banner vitalized area could help a lot…

Kellhus.8071:

If this was anyone but a self-proclaimed chick this thread would’ve already been laughed off the forums.

If you have an argument, bring the argument. Dismissing what a person says, or making inferences like you’ve done here based on a poster’s gender is inappropriate at best and sexist at worst.

ETA: Regarding the OP, one of the things I love about GW2 is that there are no dedicated babysitters, I mean healers, so that some people can focus on DPS contests and the healer have to keep them alive. I think this is how GW2 was purposefully designed – that there be no dedicated healer/tank/dps.

I’ve also found that a lot of these “best X in game!” things, including builds and skills, are heavily dependent on personal play style, so while it may be true that for the way that you personally play, the warrior works out best re: healing, that might not be the case for someone with a different style.

I <3 my shout healing warrior. I used zerk/knight build for awhile, which was great for zone dungeons & events.

Now that I am fotm 30+, the Cleric build is essential. Glass cannons can do it, sure. I think my warrior does plenty of dmg with cleric gear, and @ 1500 healing power I am healing ~2499 HP/shout. Thats amazing if you ask me.

Plus I dont have to pray for a guardian to be in my party for the extra survivability, as many glass cannons rely on (along with superior dodge skills hehe),
-Siri Nietzshens (Sanctum of Legends/Eredon Terrace)

Simple math

350ish heals per second per person.

So if its a 20 non 100% hp people zerg, you’re doing 7000 heal per second.

Its more consistent and larger ranged healing than most other classes

Would be useful for countering arrow carts.

I don’t see it doing much other than that though

Morian.2031:

Kellhus.8071:

If this was anyone but a self-proclaimed chick this thread would’ve already been laughed off the forums.

If you have an argument, bring the argument. Dismissing what a person says, or making inferences like you’ve done here based on a poster’s gender is inappropriate at best and sexist at worst.

ETA: Regarding the OP, one of the things I love about GW2 is that there are no dedicated babysitters, I mean healers, so that some people can focus on DPS contests and the healer have to keep them alive. I think this is how GW2 was purposefully designed – that there be no dedicated healer/tank/dps.

I’ve also found that a lot of these “best X in game!” things, including builds and skills, are heavily dependent on personal play style, so while it may be true that for the way that you personally play, the warrior works out best re: healing, that might not be the case for someone with a different style.

It’s not really about misogyny when the op is the one to use it to garner attention. Also wars cannot heal as well as eles, let alone guards. This is well established.

Correct Phira.( BTW STILL no vids from ( insert class here)
I love when people have never played or TESTED a class in game but decide the class they play is best.IMO not one of these people even has a full exotic heal set.
What works in theory or on paper does not work well in wvw sadly.
Also they dont get that range is key, not “nearby” heals. I can hand 4 flags to 4 diff people while i stay safe. Let them spread out and do whatever, making my total healing range HUGE. I think nearby=130 range or less my flags are 900 each.
Dead healer or running away healer is no good.getting in melee range to drop heals=dead healer.I can drop flags from FAR away where its safe.
In my vid #2 I think, U see me walk away 1 screen and turn around..for 90 sec im STILL healing a group im not even near.THis is also key and NO other class can do this. I can heal 4 diff groups or areas the same time.
Many times a 5 man or small group will attack a tower we have.I will run in solo and wait at the lord and his helpers till the door smashes down.
I drop all 4 flags near them and port out.25% of the time my flag heals+ buffs let the lord and helpers fend off small groups….They NEVER get what happened or why they lost.
Frankly I am glad they dont get it.Right now in wvw we are out numbered as usual. We STILL have 100% of eb and most of the others.

I said a few times, Other CAN heal…but the total effect of the war is just better in actual use..and safer.

Psybunny is one of those love to quote numbers guys….at LEAST know what you’re talking about. “Shield 3s+EP 3s+DP 3s,” EP is 3 sec? sure about that? what trait is 25% longer stance..any clue? How long is EP with 25% longer stance trait?
( clue…your off) I use a mace with shield.Says it blocks one hit but actually blocks for 1 sec I found. 2 × 6.5 sec EP+4 sec shield block+1 sec mace block…and there is even more actually
ALSO I have a trait at low damage I get auto EP for another free 6.5 sec.
PLEASE know a class and traits b4 you spout off facts.

Again PLEASE show us your vids of you healing. Then we can discuss.
I was “PM” how did I test:

At first I took EVERY class, every build, every gear set and went to mysts.
I went to NPC area where u can fight VS virtual bad guys of each class.
First I would pull warrior and just let him beat on me and see how long I could last and timed it.Also kept notes on how easy staying alive was.Was I doing a dodge every 3 sec and hitting 10 keys non stop in a rotation OR was it just easy.

Using 3 flags and 1 asuran only spell , I can “bomb” a group of 5 usually killing them ALL in 6 sec or less and be damage immune the whole time.
This ONE spell makes asuran the best War ( IMO) and several other classes/builds.

After 10-20 fights I would pull 2 of the bad guys…same test..then 3 ..then ALL of them.
From MY tests warrior was just the best…by far.
( did same tests with 2 guildees with me, to see how long I can keep them alive…made notes)
Then I tested in actual wvw with all my 80’s.

I made a guardian, frankly , because of 90000 people claiming gard was best heals in game.I fell for the trap. As usual it was wrong IMO.
Sheeple on MMO games read/hear what one person says ( NEVER tested, always theory or a guess) and assume what he/she said is best.

After going through this on 20 MMOs, I no longer read about builds or ask people. I make them ALL and test stuff.

Try this : do what I did. make EVERY class and test them in the mysts VS all the NPC bad guys.OR buy gear sets like I have and test them ALL in real world wvw.

I have seen thousands of posts on dozens of games " give me a build or spec and some play tips please" Kids do not take the time to read spells, and test builds. They want it now ! Sheeple can not think. They just want it handed to them.

FYI “haters” I have got now 114 “PMs” and 300+ messages on Youtube from people LOVING this build and thanking me. 400+ views.
Because you dont get it does not effect me.I hope you use ( insert class here)…really.

PLEASE post your vids here.teach us.

FYI, My vids are but a sample to give people the idea of how it works.NOT all that I can do. This is a pvp game and I am here to win with my server.Telling ALL my tricks and tactics would be just dumb.
The 2 vids I have not posted ( yet) would make most of you na-sayers…cry.

Folks on yaks bend feel free to message me in game for any tips on my 4 wacky builds.

Now that I posted a sample of Cond warrior, I will post vids about Piggy Tails pet on Ranger. Last night I held off 5-15 same time Ebay( server) for 3 hours….killed 149..died 3 times.2 kills because I got over zealous.( had 3 people so mad losing to us so badly they jumped servers).

WASHU RIVERS * you are the most amazing player I have seen to date of ANY class.Watched you for 100s of fights.
How you charge into 5-20 solo…drop many bodies and always get away….amazes me.

Hugs to all yaks bend
-Nikki

Raptured.9307:

Morian.2031:

Kellhus.8071:

If this was anyone but a self-proclaimed chick this thread would’ve already been laughed off the forums.

If you have an argument, bring the argument. Dismissing what a person says, or making inferences like you’ve done here based on a poster’s gender is inappropriate at best and sexist at worst.

ETA: Regarding the OP, one of the things I love about GW2 is that there are no dedicated babysitters, I mean healers, so that some people can focus on DPS contests and the healer have to keep them alive. I think this is how GW2 was purposefully designed – that there be no dedicated healer/tank/dps.

I’ve also found that a lot of these “best X in game!” things, including builds and skills, are heavily dependent on personal play style, so while it may be true that for the way that you personally play, the warrior works out best re: healing, that might not be the case for someone with a different style.

It’s not really about misogyny when the op is the one to use it to garner attention. Also wars cannot heal as well as eles, let alone guards. This is well established.

The OP didn’t “use it to garner attention” – the OP mentioned the name xe wanted to be called. That’s it. That’s the sum total of xir “using it”.

Nowhere did xe make a big deal of gender at all.

Regardless of your opinion of who is the best heals (in a game that doesn’t have dedicated heals and was created NOT to have dedicated heals), using a person’s gender to attack xir is, like I said, at best inappropriate and at worst sexist.

I just posted here not because it was an apparently absurd/attention grabbing title and there were people arguing in it, lol. Give it a rest. Really isn’t because of the name and I’m far from white knighting

Okay this isn’t a white knighting post please stick to the topic.

I think a lot of warriors on here are misunderstanding her post.

You are all fighting the fact that she said warrior is the best healer. But if you read the other posts you would know that she meant the warrior is the best PRACTICAL healer.

We all know that a guardian, if standing still, can heal more than a warrior. I mean they can heal you to full in 5 seconds with their elite. In wvw, however, this isn’t very practical. Guardian’s and Ele’s no doubt have a lot of healing potential, but, they have to be in close range to pull it off (especially in the case of the guardian). The only healing that the guardian has that isn’t close range that I can think off, are aegis (when traited to heal when broken) and staff 2 skill. For everything else they have to be in melee range. That also goes for any buffs they might provide (minus shouts).

In WvW, being in melee range is very dangerous unless you have a coordinate group besides you. So if you are trying to be a healer, having to go into melee isn’t exaclty the best idea.

This is where the practicality of the warrior heals comes in. Banners are great in that they cover a LARGE LARGE area. The heals are constant, they provide buffs, and can be used from a distance. All this combined means the warrior is going be healing a lot more over time that the guardian who has to dodge and duck in and out of melee trying to heal.

Take this post as you will. I am not claiming which is best as I personally have not geared and tested this in wvw. However, I can see the advantages that it will have.

Twiista.1689:

Okay this isn’t a white knighting post please stick to the topic.

I think a lot of warriors on here are misunderstanding her post.

You are all fighting the fact that she said warrior is the best healer. But if you read the other posts you would know that she meant the warrior is the best PRACTICAL healer.

We all know that a guardian, if standing still, can heal more than a warrior. I mean they can heal you to full in 5 seconds with their elite. In wvw, however, this isn’t very practical. Guardian’s and Ele’s no doubt have a lot of healing potential, but, they have to be in close range to pull it off (especially in the case of the guardian). The only healing that the guardian has that isn’t close range that I can think off, are aegis (when traited to heal when broken) and staff 2 skill. For everything else they have to be in melee range. That also goes for any buffs they might provide (minus shouts).

In WvW, being in melee range is very dangerous unless you have a coordinate group besides you. So if you are trying to be a healer, having to go into melee isn’t exaclty the best idea.

This is where the practicality of the warrior heals comes in. Banners are great in that they cover a LARGE LARGE area. The heals are constant, they provide buffs, and can be used from a distance. All this combined means the warrior is going be healing a lot more over time that the guardian who has to dodge and duck in and out of melee trying to heal.

Take this post as you will. I am not claiming which is best as I personally have not geared and tested this in wvw. However, I can see the advantages that it will have.

I’m not misunderstanding her post, I’m simply asking for the countless charts and videos she has claimed to have made… yet she blatantly ignores the requests for the proof.

Phira.3970:

Simple math

350ish heals per second per person.

So if its a 20 non 100% hp people zerg, you’re doing 7000 heal per second.

Its more consistent and larger ranged healing than most other classes

Would be useful for countering arrow carts.

I don’t see it doing much other than that though

Does banner work like that? Because ever other ability only heals 5 people max.

Moddo.7105:

Does banner work like that? Because ever other ability only heals 5 people max.

The assumption is that all 4 Banners are being used at once to heal 20 people I believe.

I played my elementalist today. In WvW.

I did more healing than you ever could on your warrior.

I did so in a practical manner, while fighting in zergs, and I did it while removing conditions, applying aoe CC (hello insanity that is static field) and applying nearly every combo field in the book.

Yes, combo field. You might want to look that up. It’s what does the most healing. Not the trash target-limited non-prioritised regen off banners.

And using banners for their blast finisher is ridiculous. There are much better ways on nearly non-existent cooldowns for huge might stacks and heals on water fields.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

It’s nothing but an ignorant player saying things that are plainly and obviously wrong, and showing a video of poor play, clicking and boasting.

If you are going to troll, you have to make it funny. This is just wrong, factually wrong.

an interesting take on the warrior, pretty sure this build is more useful than what most people are running nowadays thinking they are doing something.

I tried a healer spec warrior build, definitely different, wasn’t that bad. I can see your point about the warrior healing more than any other class over time. It is just a different type of healing, where Guardians have more burst type healing.

Just ignore the trolls trying to knock what you are trying to do. Healing 10-20 people with 400 ticks is a lot and you don’t really need tables and proofs to see that. That is about 4000-8000 HP a second which is actually pretty crazy and is probably more than what a Guardian can do, provided the fights are longer and more drawn out. Guardians might have nice burst heals and what not, but definitely not the sustainability of the heals that the banners offer and the radius.

I think the Warrior and the Guardian offer different types of heals that are optimal in different situations. Banners can take a bit of work to manage while Guardians can just heal based off of what skills, weapons and traits they have. I think both types of heals when put together would offer parties huge amounts of sustain and make them really hard to take down.

Most of the people who say Guardians are better healers probably have never made neither a full Guardian healer or a Warrior healer. People demanding her for proof when they themselves cannot provide proof that a Guardian is better yet claim it. It is just clown kitten that is typical on these forums.

To me it isn’t even about who is better at healing, because both Guardian and Warrior Healers have their places in WvW, and synergize well with each other with providing a combination of bursty healing and sustained healing. I think that is the point that people are completely missing, and are instead so fixated on who is the better healing class.

In my opinion though honestly, from a support standpoint (not just healing) I would rather go a Guardian because they can offer more in terms of boons, i.e 12 stacks of might, protection, stability, swiftness, regen, retaliation, reflect, aegis, etc. They offer better utility than a warrior. However, I just don’t think it is as natural for a warrior to go healing than for a Guardian. Warriors sacrifice alot to go into a healing spec while Guardians can have decent heals without as much compromise to their other abilities. Warriors need to take up 4 slots for banners to heal, spec somewhat deeply into healing shouts and banner regen/radius. Guardians have more flexibility.

killahmayne.9518:

an interesting take on the warrior, pretty sure this build is more useful than what most people are running nowadays thinking they are doing something.

I tried a healer spec warrior build, definitely different, wasn’t that bad. I can see your point about the warrior healing more than any other class over time. It is just a different type of healing, where Guardians have more burst type healing.

Just ignore the trolls trying to knock what you are trying to do. Healing 10-20 people with 400 ticks is a lot and you don’t really need tables and proofs to see that. That is about 4000-8000 HP a second which is actually pretty crazy and is probably more than what a Guardian can do, provided the fights are longer and more drawn out. Guardians might have nice burst heals and what not, but definitely not the sustainability of the heals that the banners offer and the radius.

I think the Warrior and the Guardian offer different types of heals that are optimal in different situations. Banners can take a bit of work to manage while Guardians can just heal based off of what skills, weapons and traits they have. I think both types of heals when put together would offer parties huge amounts of sustain and make them really hard to take down.

Most of the people who say Guardians are better healers probably have never made neither a full Guardian healer or a Warrior healer. People demanding her for proof when they themselves cannot provide proof that a Guardian is better yet claim it. It is just clown kitten that is typical on these forums.

To me it isn’t even about who is better at healing, because both Guardian and Warrior Healers have their places in WvW, and synergize well with each other with providing a combination of bursty healing and sustained healing. I think that is the point that people are completely missing, and are instead so fixated on who is the better healing class.

In my opinion though honestly, from a support standpoint (not just healing) I would rather go a Guardian because they can offer more in terms of boons, i.e 12 stacks of might, protection, stability, swiftness, regen, retaliation, aegis, etc.

You’re wrong for one simple reason.

Regeneration on its own is weak, it’s a basic background heal. It’s fairly obvious that 300 HP ticks aren’t going to save everyone’s life, otherwise adrenal health would be enough.

Also 5-person target limit. That’s basically a max of 5×300HP=1500 HP heals in a fixed area. If the zerg moves, that goes down to 0 and you have a huge banner cooldown.

It’s the other heals that make both guardian and elementalist much, much better healers than warriors will ever be.

I play a guardian, warrior, elementalist, thief, all full exotic every spec etc

Banners are basically trash.

Warrior healing with shouts is better because of the condition removal and off-gcd nature of shouts.

Guardian blows the warrior out of the water with dodge heals, and a massive amount of other boons as well as staff heals.

Elementalist I feel is the strongest – because of the water fields and other supportive abilities. Ele is just a great complete package.

FASTCAR.7831:

Psybunny is one of those love to quote numbers guys….at LEAST know what you’re talking about. “Shield 3s+EP 3s+DP 3s,” EP is 3 sec? sure about that? what trait is 25% longer stance..any clue? How long is EP with 25% longer stance trait?
( clue…your off) I use a mace with shield.Says it blocks one hit but actually blocks for 1 sec I found. 2 × 6.5 sec EP+4 sec shield block+1 sec mace block…and there is even more actually
ALSO I have a trait at low damage I get auto EP for another free 6.5 sec.
PLEASE know a class and traits b4 you spout off facts.

I am not going to get into it with teeniebopper trolls who never even played a warrior nor even have a full heal set for ( insert class here) OR tested all classes in actual wvw.

Oh I’m gonna love this one. EP/DP last for 3 seconds, because they are bugged since the beta “nerf” to EP, the trait for 25% stance increase makes it into 5 seconds not 6.5, but you would know that if you’d actually test what you spew out. DP only triggers if you go down to 25% hp and you’re not oneshotted from 30% to 0% for example, they still have overlapping CD issues. Same thing with balanced stance and last stand. Shield stance lasts for 3 seconds not 4, surely you would know that. Why are you listing DP as “MORE” if you already counted it to 2x EP, or do you have some special EP that doesn’t have 90s cd? I’m fairly certain I’m a bit more experienced than you.

Wanna compare kittens with me? (pic attached)

EDIT: Thanks xiv, made me smile.
EDIT 2: Still waiting for a screen of that 50k hp FASTCAR.
This seems to be max if I’m not forgetting anything.
http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.0|7.1d.9d.9.1d.9d|0.0.0.0.0.0|1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d|1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d.1d.9d|0.0.u000.u000.0|3t.0|0.0.0.0.0|e
and it’s way below what you claimed.

xiv.7136:

killahmayne.9518:

an interesting take on the warrior, pretty sure this build is more useful than what most people are running nowadays thinking they are doing something.

I tried a healer spec warrior build, definitely different, wasn’t that bad. I can see your point about the warrior healing more than any other class over time. It is just a different type of healing, where Guardians have more burst type healing.

Just ignore the trolls trying to knock what you are trying to do. Healing 10-20 people with 400 ticks is a lot and you don’t really need tables and proofs to see that. That is about 4000-8000 HP a second which is actually pretty crazy and is probably more than what a Guardian can do, provided the fights are longer and more drawn out. Guardians might have nice burst heals and what not, but definitely not the sustainability of the heals that the banners offer and the radius.

I think the Warrior and the Guardian offer different types of heals that are optimal in different situations. Banners can take a bit of work to manage while Guardians can just heal based off of what skills, weapons and traits they have. I think both types of heals when put together would offer parties huge amounts of sustain and make them really hard to take down.

Most of the people who say Guardians are better healers probably have never made neither a full Guardian healer or a Warrior healer. People demanding her for proof when they themselves cannot provide proof that a Guardian is better yet claim it. It is just clown kitten that is typical on these forums.

To me it isn’t even about who is better at healing, because both Guardian and Warrior Healers have their places in WvW, and synergize well with each other with providing a combination of bursty healing and sustained healing. I think that is the point that people are completely missing, and are instead so fixated on who is the better healing class.

In my opinion though honestly, from a support standpoint (not just healing) I would rather go a Guardian because they can offer more in terms of boons, i.e 12 stacks of might, protection, stability, swiftness, regen, retaliation, aegis, etc.

You’re wrong for one simple reason.

Regeneration on its own is weak, it’s a basic background heal. It’s fairly obvious that 300 HP ticks aren’t going to save everyone’s life, otherwise adrenal health would be enough.

Also 5-person target limit. That’s basically a max of 5×300HP=1500 HP heals in a fixed area. If the zerg moves, that goes down to 0 and you have a huge banner cooldown.

It’s the other heals that make both guardian and elementalist much, much better healers than warriors will ever be.

I play a guardian, warrior, elementalist, thief, all full exotic every spec etc

Banners are basically trash.

Warrior healing with shouts is better because of the condition removal and off-gcd nature of shouts.

Guardian blows the warrior out of the water with dodge heals, and a massive amount of other boons as well as staff heals.

Elementalist I feel is the strongest – because of the water field.

Water field = huge bursts of healing for entire zergs – not trashy 300HP regen ticks

What am I wrong about exactly? If you are referring to Warriors being better healers than Guardians, then nowhere in my post have I even said that. I just said that they offer different heals that can be useful in the context of a WvW.

Burst heals aren’t going to save everyone’s life either, so I don’t get your point there. Adrenal Health ticks every 3 seconds for about 360. Regeneration ticks about the same every second, so I really don’t understand the comparison there. Regeneration adds up and makes a difference in long, drawn battles, that is what I am trying to say. And constantly regenning 10-20 people for 350-400’s adds up to be a lot.

It is a 5 person limit, but 5×2-4 banners can make it a 10-20 person limit. If the zerg moves, tell your guildies or party members to carry the banners with you. I think you completely missed the point of what I was trying to say or you just didn’t read what I said properly. Warrior banner/healer specs have their uses, to dismiss it as complete trash is kind of ignorant. I would like to respectively say that you are wrong on that part because it does have its niche and is good for certain situations.

Arguing about who is the better healer class is just dumb because in the context of WvW and guild coordination and synergy, unorthodox builds that normally might not work in pugs or mindless zergs could be vital. This is called Guild Wars for a reason, and the intent is the development of highly organized guilds to prove themselves against each other or in the context of contribution to WvW and eventually have their names put up on a plaque somewhere in the future.

It is just like saying Warriors are underpowered because they can’t 1v1, just ridiculous and laughable.

Yeah, you don’t get it.

Try playing a cleric guardian and doing a dodge roll with the trait.

Or blast finisher an ele water field a few times.

Then do the maths on how many times those heals go off, compared to aggregated healing on banners.

Then you’ll understand why regen banners are garbage. You’ll get the same regen on more people with guardian and ele anyway.

They’re called combo fields – learn what they do

xiv.7136:

Yeah, you don’t get it.

Try playing a cleric guardian and doing a dodge roll with the trait.

Or blast finisher an ele water field a few times.

Then do the maths on how many times those heals go off, compared to aggregated healing on banners.

Then you’ll understand why regen banners are garbage. You’ll get the same regen on more people with guardian and ele anyway.

They’re called combo fields – learn what they do

I have played a cleric Guardian and I am fully aware of their dodge trait, but how many times are you realistically dodging? And how many people are you hitting with it?

And I know what combo fields do and I’ve learned enough that other people (including warriors) can trigger it through their multiple blast, leap and whirl finishers as well depending on what weapon you go.

Again, I am not arguing about who has the better heals (as I have stated before) and you still don’t get what I am trying to say. I am arguing for its viability in a niche type setting and how this type of build can be used in the context of how other members in certain guilds have built their characters and how they complete each other. And also how they can be effective in certain situations.

Banners do offer their advantages as many more people will have the regeneration boon on them. If somebody needs regeneration, they can fall back to these banners for almost a guaranteed boon. A guardian can’t give 10-20 people regeneration. If I am not mistaken, one of the banners also has a heal. They also provide good stat increases to the people around them, especially the one banner that can increase healing by 90 and boon duration by 10%, which in turn boost the supporting abilities of classes such as eles and guardians. They are awesome in tight spaces, i.e Etheron Hill’s lords room where all the siege is placed and there is a tight narrow corner leading up to it. Sieging and being sieged they are quite useful.

Twenty ppl with perma regen and stat boosts are hard to kill. On top of that add the Battle Standard that grants Fury, Might and Stability. Having a diversity in the types of healing/healers is never a bad thing, or even the support role in general because each have something different to bring to the table that is useful.

Just a peek at my stats at the moment of this vid.
I can vary stuff quite alot.
More then 10 000 more life and 5000 armor
More heal power or Cond
Dictated by group setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbCcqfj7d5c

D: how the heck did u wreck ur war up to 40k hp and 4k armor?! plz do tell!! plz post a build if possible

Fast, I’ll try to be nice to you and explain your current situation.

First off you cannot call “trolls” anyone who don’t agree with you, that is trying to discredit criticism by attacking the person and I believe it is even bannable by forum standards apart from being a fallacy.

Second, if you make a claim, you are the one to have to back it up; the burden of proof is onto you.
You made the bold claim that you are the best healer in the game vs all classes, then go to other classes forums and challenge them.
It’s like sitting in Italy and saying you are a better mechanic than all Greeks; the only way to prove it is to challenge Greeks directly.

Try going in the Guardian forum to say you heal more than them.
One will probably show a video of him healing bazillions per second and you’ll realize what these “trolls” are trying to say.

The one thing I can agree with you is, a full cleric Warrior is the best zerg healer as regen sticks to all people affected.
You need to realize some things though:
- being the best zerg healer doesn’t make you the best healer in all fields.
- in pvp regen is not the best way of protecting a team; since most damage comes in the form of burst, boons like Protection and Aegis negate a lot more damage than you could ever heal, and your regen won’t prevent a target from being spiked.
- in the same way you apply regeneration to a whole zerg, enemies apply poison to all your zerg (which reduces regen greatly) and other debuffs like burning that nullify regen completely, let alone boon stripping

Try to consider your setup in a most unbiased way – look at the upside and downsides, consider the pros and cons, etc.
Because in general, if you jump into a crowd yelling you’re the best X in the world you’ll pass off as very biased and arrogant.

That being said, I respect what you do in WvW, I wish more people would dedicate themselves to support people instead of randomly zerging around.

Doesn’t banner regen only affect 5 ppl since a couple patches ago? Is 5 ppl considered a zerg now? Guess I’m really outta the loop now.

FASTCAR.7831:

Just a peek at my stats at the moment of this vid.
I can vary stuff quite alot.
More then 10 000 more life and 5000 armor
More heal power or Cond
Dictated by group setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbCcqfj7d5c

This is 34.5k HP with all the perfect* gear that i could find.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|7.1d.9d.e.1d.9d|1.1d.9d|1d.7x.1d.7x.1d.7x.1d.7x.1d.7x.1d.7w|2u.d1d.3u.d1d.2u.d1d.2u.d1d.3u.d17.2u.d1d|a3.0.u29b.u000.0|3t.1|e

*mind you its impossible to get this set up currently since ascended accessories isn’t possible to obtain both at this moment/ Vital infusions <— mad moneyz

Anyways, I figure with Defense banner giving 900+ hp, and perhaps a % increase from WvW bonus could possibly bump 10%? = about 3.5k hp? and then another 40 from perhaps a guild buff from the keep? I think you can’t get that 40k hp Unless there was a Npc Captain around giving you the extra HP. Or you literally went all Shaman gear up the wazoo….

Either way, I think your video wasn’t proof of your build =\