Guild Wars 2

Deep Cuts 50% longer bleed, necessary?
Would it not be better to get Rending Strikes + Forceful Greatsword and place those 5 trait points into strength or somewhere else?
Thoughts?

Also, if I take 5 more points out of discipline (and lose 20% sig recharge = lose perma fury) to get 10 in tactics for Empowered… is that worth it?

Sorry, just so confused with this lately lol

Um what exactly are you talking about? You didn’t post any sort of build so your questions about "Also, if I take 5 more points out of discipline " make little sense and we can’t give you a real opinion. You didn’t say what type of gameplay you’re in either(dungeons/wvw/spvp)

Are you using a greatsword with deep cuts(lol)? IMO, in PvP there are much better traits(like the vuln on crit) and traiting for increased bleed duration when your weapon doesn’t have a reliable source for stacking them seems very unwise.

And if I remember correctly, Empowered is only better than Empower Allies if you have over 6 boons on you at all times.

Jonny.9370:

Um what exactly are you talking about? You didn’t post any sort of build so your questions about "Also, if I take 5 more points out of discipline " make little sense and we can’t give you a real opinion. You didn’t say what type of gameplay you’re in either(dungeons/wvw/spvp)

Are you using a greatsword with deep cuts(lol)? IMO, in PvP there are much better traits(like the vuln on crit) and traiting for increased bleed duration when your weapon doesn’t have a reliable source for stacking them seems very unwise.

And if I remember correctly, Empowered is only better than Empower Allies if you have over 6 boons on you at all times.

Ah, my apologies, I was just talking about zerker builds with a friend and I just became curious about them.
So would you say that 25/25/0/0/20 is the best then?
I also agree that Empowered does not seem to be that great (unless of course you have a stellar guardian).

Cool, thanks for your reply!

Since “Precise Strikes” gives 33% chance on crit to bleed the target, and “Attack of Opportunity” increases ALL damage done by 10% on bleeding targets, it’s in your best interest to maximize the uptime of bleeds on your targets. Uptime of “Precise Strikes” is directly dependent on your crit chance. Therefore, if you’re having a hard time maintaining near 100% uptime, you can use “Deep Cuts” to improve it.

Okamakiri.8746:

Since “Precise Strikes” gives 33% chance on crit to bleed the target, and “Attack of Opportunity” increases ALL damage done by 10% on bleeding targets, it’s in your best interest to maximize the uptime of bleeds on your targets. Uptime of “Precise Strikes” is directly dependent on your crit chance. Therefore, if you’re having a hard time maintaining near 100% uptime, you can use “Deep Cuts” to improve it.

If I am able to maintain 95%~100% Crit rate, do you think it would be better to not have it?
Also, in dungeons, since multiple people are applying bleed, do you think it’s better to not have it?

CookMETEnder.7582:

Okamakiri.8746:

Since “Precise Strikes” gives 33% chance on crit to bleed the target, and “Attack of Opportunity” increases ALL damage done by 10% on bleeding targets, it’s in your best interest to maximize the uptime of bleeds on your targets. Uptime of “Precise Strikes” is directly dependent on your crit chance. Therefore, if you’re having a hard time maintaining near 100% uptime, you can use “Deep Cuts” to improve it.

If I am able to maintain 95%~100% Crit rate, do you think it would be better to not have it?
Also, in dungeons, since multiple people are applying bleed, do you think it’s better to not have it?

If you’re finding that the target is spending most of its time bleeding even without “Deep Cuts” (and with your crit rate, I suspect it will… especially in dungeons with all the other classes that can apply their own bleeds as well), then I would certainly swap the trait out for something else. Personally, I like “Rending Strikes” as an alternative.

Okamakiri.8746:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Okamakiri.8746:

Since “Precise Strikes” gives 33% chance on crit to bleed the target, and “Attack of Opportunity” increases ALL damage done by 10% on bleeding targets, it’s in your best interest to maximize the uptime of bleeds on your targets. Uptime of “Precise Strikes” is directly dependent on your crit chance. Therefore, if you’re having a hard time maintaining near 100% uptime, you can use “Deep Cuts” to improve it.

If I am able to maintain 95%~100% Crit rate, do you think it would be better to not have it?
Also, in dungeons, since multiple people are applying bleed, do you think it’s better to not have it?

If you’re finding that the target is spending most of its time bleeding even without “Deep Cuts” (and with your crit rate, I suspect it will… especially in dungeons with all the other classes that can apply their own bleeds as well), then I would certainly swap the trait out for something else. Personally, I like “Rending Strikes” as an alternative.

Cool thank you.
I’m so far in the game, yet I find myself second guessing everything I have done until this point quite often..
Only thing I’m solid with is my WvW hammer/GS build xD

Tbh, for GS i prefer Rending Strikes by far. The trait said anything that the bleeds must be yours so you can have the extra 10% damage. So, unless i’m wrong, it doesn’t matter who is applying the bleed or how many stacks it has. You will get the 10% extra, even for just one stack.

So, with several classes applying and maintaining bleeds better than a GS warrior you just need to put as much of vulnerability you can to whack your targets and see big numbers with your 100b.

Deep Cuts seems more suitable for conditions builds with 1h swords, where your goal is to get to 25 stacks faster than other classes and keep those stacks high so they can burn your target’s HP.

Albeit that its true bleeding may be easy to appear/be on an enemy. I remember back in the first month or so of launch, Someone proved that 50% bleed duration increases your dmg output more than rendering strikes, But I personally think its almost the same since it varies with the amount of times you crit and hit an opponent and who else is hitting that target. In terms of usefulness, I think rendering might better in terms of adding other conditions to hamper the opponent.

CoaxialMazer.9140:

Albeit that its true bleeding may be easy to appear/be on an enemy. I remember back in the first month or so of launch, Someone proved that 50% bleed duration increases your dmg output more than rendering strikes, But I personally think its almost the same since it varies with the amount of times you crit and hit an opponent and who else is hitting that target. In terms of usefulness, I think rendering might better in terms of adding other conditions to hamper the opponent.

That, and it also depends on your team.
1. If you have an Axe necro he can keep 25 vuln on all mobs with epidemic so no point in rending strikes at all.
2. If you have AoE Bleed spammers of any sort (condi thieves etc) deep cuts is kinda useless.
3. If you plan on using Rifle/LB, deep cuts largerly increases DPS of both (especially Pin Down) so it’s definitely worth taking.

Traits are not set in stone, there isn’t a trait build that is best in general just like there isn’t an utility set that’s better than everything else.
If it was like that, Anet would have made a design flaw.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

CoaxialMazer.9140:

Albeit that its true bleeding may be easy to appear/be on an enemy. I remember back in the first month or so of launch, Someone proved that 50% bleed duration increases your dmg output more than rendering strikes, But I personally think its almost the same since it varies with the amount of times you crit and hit an opponent and who else is hitting that target. In terms of usefulness, I think rendering might better in terms of adding other conditions to hamper the opponent.

That, and it also depends on your team.
1. If you have an Axe necro he can keep 25 vuln on all mobs with epidemic so no point in rending strikes at all.
2. If you have AoE Bleed spammers of any sort (condi thieves etc) deep cuts is kinda useless.
3. If you plan on using Rifle/LB, deep cuts largerly increases DPS of both (especially Pin Down) so it’s definitely worth taking.

Traits are not set in stone, there isn’t a trait build that is best in general just like there isn’t an utility set that’s better than everything else.
If it was like that, Anet would have made a design flaw.

Lol, I have yet to see an axe necro that plays well.
The few I have seen play just like the noob berserkers… going down once per 10 seconds xD

Yea, I tend to go GS primary and Axe/(Axe or Mace) secondary. Still deciding.
Guess I’ll stick with vulnerability for now, ty guys!

Sword warriors actually do the highest bleed damage in the game because of that trait. 4 on sword offhand, I remember, does 20k+ dmg with full bleed rune and sigil set up.

So go to WvW, click 4, and kite, enemy dead.

Phira.3970:

Sword warriors actually do the highest bleed damage in the game because of that trait. 4 on sword offhand, I remember, does 20k+ dmg with full bleed rune and sigil set up.

So go to WvW, click 4, and kite, enemy dead.

Lol, if you are kiting them, they must be doing something wrong -.-…
Not to say that condition is bad for PvP; rather, that warrior kiting anything is kinda funny in PvP lol

Even kiting another warrior is hard. I go hammer/GS and if I’m on a 1v1 situation, I can kill the enemy before they ever get up lol

CookMETEnder.7582:

Phira.3970:

Sword warriors actually do the highest bleed damage in the game because of that trait. 4 on sword offhand, I remember, does 20k+ dmg with full bleed rune and sigil set up.

So go to WvW, click 4, and kite, enemy dead.

Lol, if you are kiting them, they must be doing something wrong -.-…
Not to say that condition is bad for PvP; rather, that warrior kiting anything is kinda funny in PvP lol

Even kiting another warrior is hard. I go hammer/GS and if I’m on a 1v1 situation, I can kill the enemy before they ever get up lol

Try rifle with crack shot.. Perma cripple ftw. Works 100% times for me against warriors.

Scoobaniec.9561:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Phira.3970:

Sword warriors actually do the highest bleed damage in the game because of that trait. 4 on sword offhand, I remember, does 20k+ dmg with full bleed rune and sigil set up.

So go to WvW, click 4, and kite, enemy dead.

Lol, if you are kiting them, they must be doing something wrong -.-…
Not to say that condition is bad for PvP; rather, that warrior kiting anything is kinda funny in PvP lol

Even kiting another warrior is hard. I go hammer/GS and if I’m on a 1v1 situation, I can kill the enemy before they ever get up lol

Try rifle with crack shot.. Perma cripple ftw. Works 100% times for me against warriors.

You must be fighting against noob warriors 100% of the time lol…
The first thing that any pvp / wvwvw warrior should be focusing on is condition removal T_T…

CookMETEnder.7582:

Scoobaniec.9561:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Phira.3970:

Sword warriors actually do the highest bleed damage in the game because of that trait. 4 on sword offhand, I remember, does 20k+ dmg with full bleed rune and sigil set up.

So go to WvW, click 4, and kite, enemy dead.

Lol, if you are kiting them, they must be doing something wrong -.-…
Not to say that condition is bad for PvP; rather, that warrior kiting anything is kinda funny in PvP lol

Even kiting another warrior is hard. I go hammer/GS and if I’m on a 1v1 situation, I can kill the enemy before they ever get up lol

Try rifle with crack shot.. Perma cripple ftw. Works 100% times for me against warriors.

You must be fighting against noob warriors 100% of the time lol…
The first thing that any pvp / wvwvw warrior should be focusing on is condition removal T_T…

I don’t rebember a single shout build that was viable for pvp, or its just me? Dunno..

Scoobaniec.9561:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Scoobaniec.9561:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Phira.3970:

Sword warriors actually do the highest bleed damage in the game because of that trait. 4 on sword offhand, I remember, does 20k+ dmg with full bleed rune and sigil set up.

So go to WvW, click 4, and kite, enemy dead.

Lol, if you are kiting them, they must be doing something wrong -.-…
Not to say that condition is bad for PvP; rather, that warrior kiting anything is kinda funny in PvP lol

Even kiting another warrior is hard. I go hammer/GS and if I’m on a 1v1 situation, I can kill the enemy before they ever get up lol

Try rifle with crack shot.. Perma cripple ftw. Works 100% times for me against warriors.

You must be fighting against noob warriors 100% of the time lol…
The first thing that any pvp / wvwvw warrior should be focusing on is condition removal T_T…

I don’t rebember a single shout build that was viable for pvp, or its just me? Dunno..

I can’t tell if you are trolling or serious…
5s cripple per 8s if traited Rifle.

Mending is, in my opinion, the best heal for anything vs. other players. It removes 2 conditions + heals without an adrenaline requirement.
A lot of warriors also have break immobilize on movement skills which takes that away…
From my experience, a lot of warriors carry GS regardless of PvE, PvP, WvW… meaning they have a cripple as well.

They have to suck really bad to get perma-kited by cripple.
Add in a hammer on that warrior and you’re basically done if they know what they are doing.

Nah, never man..U gotta really sleep to get hit by hammer.

Mendind is on 25cd so np, did i mention rifle butt?

Rifle has no immobilize, so im not sure what u speaking about.

Pretty easily dogable cripple from gs..and even if u get hit by that..rifle butt rebember?

And hammer is the worse weapon against any ranged wep..trust me. Its working pretty nice in zerkfest tho, but we dont talking about zerfest

Scoobaniec.9561:

Nah, never man..U gotta really sleep to get hit by hammer.

Mendind is on 25cd so np, did i mention rifle butt?

Rifle has no immobilize, so im not sure what u speaking about.

Pretty easily dogable cripple from gs..and even if u get hit by that..rifle butt rebember?

And hammer is the worse weapon against any ranged wep..trust me. Its working pretty nice in zerkfest tho, but we dont talking about zerfest

You have to sleep to get hit by hammer?
Have you played against a decent warrior before?

I’m sorry, but how are you going to tell me that it’s easy to dodge a hammer but you rely on Rifle Butt. That skill is utterly useless from my experience unless the enemy runs right at you.
Hammer #5 out ranges it, so not sure how you plan to utilize it.
Hammer #3 and GS #4 both cripple.
Hammer Burst is immediate and can easily be timed.
A hammer/GS typical build is Bolas/Stomp/Bull’s Charge.

Sorry man. Rifle run-and-gun builds are pretty good, but you really need to utilize it as a part for a build otherwise you’ll get run over.

If u getting hit by hammer #5 its l2 kitten ue, same as f1.

Hammer #3 600range..actually seeems good but tis won’t change anything, getting hit by gs #4 is l2 kitten ue

Hammer burst?

Bolas? Do its ever hit? Stomp and bull change can be dodged easy, except bull if ur close to enemy with frezy up but.. u gotta have another utility for it.

Also i don’t promote gun’n’run builds, if someone decide to get close, ill punish him with my axe for that, making sure he will whirwind away to survive. Have u even tried shieldbash++evi combo with unespescted foe (always crit)? its can hurts badly

Also i been playing a bit on tpvp and i can’t say i been doing bad, but for now im done with pvp on GW2.

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Fact is cripple/chill is deadly for any warrior, u can’t say its untrue, even if they was just some bad warriors they was still lacking tools to get rid of it, speccing for condition removal inst a good option. And anyways how u want to use bolas, stomp, bull with shouts?

Yeah.. Im trying to make a point that our skills are predictable, every time ill use hammer f1 i am in air for a second. Also we lack tools against conditions, boons and who knows what else. Its a fail desing in “no trinity” game.

Scoobaniec.9561:

If u getting hit by hammer #5 its l2 kitten ue, same as f1.

Hammer #3 600range..actually seeems good but tis won’t change anything, getting hit by gs #4 is l2 kitten ue

Hammer burst?

Bolas? Do its ever hit? Stomp and bull change can be dodged easy, except bull if ur close to enemy with frezy up but.. u gotta have another utility for it.

Also i don’t promote gun’n’run builds, if someone decide to get close, ill punish him with my axe for that, making sure he will whirwind away to survive. Have u even tried shieldbash++evi combo with unespescted foe (always crit)? its can hurts badly

Also i been playing a bit on tpvp and i can’t say i been doing bad, but for now im done with pvp on GW2.

edit:

Fact is cripple/chill is deadly for any warrior, u can’t say its untrue, even if they was just some bad warriors they was still lacking tools to get rid of it, speccing for condition removal inst a good option. And anyways how u want to use bolas, stomp, bull with shouts?

Yeah.. Im trying to make a point that our skills are predictable, every time ill use hammer f1 i am in air for a second. Also we lack tools against conditions, boons and who knows what else. Its a fail desing in “no trinity” game.

1. If you think that hammer #5 is an opener, that’s a L2 kitten ue in itself.
2. Cripple/chill is deadly against a warrior. But it’s a joke to think that one warrior can kite another unless the one being kited is extremely bad.
3. Where the hell are you getting shouts from? Read, please.
4. No, Killshot and HB is predictable. A good hammer user can easily fake out.

Don’t change your argument.
Your point was originally that, as a ranged warrior, you could kite another warrior all day.

CookMETEnder.7582:

Jonny.9370:

Um what exactly are you talking about? You didn’t post any sort of build so your questions about "Also, if I take 5 more points out of discipline " make little sense and we can’t give you a real opinion. You didn’t say what type of gameplay you’re in either(dungeons/wvw/spvp)

Are you using a greatsword with deep cuts(lol)? IMO, in PvP there are much better traits(like the vuln on crit) and traiting for increased bleed duration when your weapon doesn’t have a reliable source for stacking them seems very unwise.

And if I remember correctly, Empowered is only better than Empower Allies if you have over 6 boons on you at all times.

Ah, my apologies, I was just talking about zerker builds with a friend and I just became curious about them.
So would you say that 25/25/0/0/20 is the best then?
I also agree that Empowered does not seem to be that great (unless of course you have a stellar guardian).

Cool, thanks for your reply!

empowered: what type of game play are you taling abou?

empowered vs empower allies: empower allies = 70 power, empowered = 2% damage (attack) per boon, so if you got say 3k attack 2% of that is 60. youd need about 1 boon up at all times for empowered to be almost as good, 2 boons and its better