Guild Wars 2

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

My idea was to make signet of rages buffs give buffs over duration instead of all at once, since all this boon hate was recently added.

For example, gives you 5 fury/might/swift every 5 seconds for 30 seconds.

Boon Hate does not need nerfed, the classes that are affected by it this way just need a slight change of pace in how they get buffs, so instead of getting them all at once you pulse it.

Well, the boon stripping has very little to do with Warriors. It’s mostly the boon heavy professions like Guardian and Elementalist that people are concerned with.

Thieves are particularly happy, since they’re known for having very little access to boons in their arsenal.

Personally, I felt that something like this was bound to happen as soon as I had experienced playing on my Thief. My warrior can easily get permanent Fury, Swiftness and 8 stacks of Might, along with very high uptime on Vigor. In comparison, pretty much all the boons my Thief had were short in duration or came from sources that I did not use, such as Venoms.

My idea was to make signet of rages buffs give buffs over duration instead of all at once, since all this boon hate was recently added.
For example, gives you 5 fury/might/swift every 5 seconds for 30 seconds.

Personally, I would go for longer durations and less reapplication. Because let’s face it, with 5 seconds, stealing them isn’t going to mean crap. Also, with reapplication come issues with Boon Duration. For example, someone running the Sonic Boon setup would have 60% Boon Duration and 20% Might duration, making your 5 second application look like this:

• t = 0s: 5 Might (9s), Fury (8s), Swiftness (8s)
• t = 5s: 10 Might (split 5 for 4s, 5 for 9s), Fury (11s), Swiftness (11s)
• t = 10s: 10 Might (split 5 for 4s, 5 for 9s), Fury (14s), Swiftness (14s)
• t = 15s: 10 Might (split 5 for 4s, 5 for 9s), Fury (17s), Swiftness (17s)
• t = 20s: 10 Might (split 5 for 4s, 5 for 9s), Fury (20s), Swiftness (20s)
• t = 25s: 10 Might (split 5 for 4s, 5 for 9s), Fury (23s), Swiftness (23s)
• t = 30s 10 Might (split 5 for 4s, 5 for 9s), Fury (26s), Swiftness (26s)
• t = 34s: 5 Might (5s), Fury (22s), Swiftness (22s)
• t = 39s: Fury (17s), Swiftness (17s)
• t = 56s: No boons

Currently, the same setup gets you:

• t = 0s: 5 Might (54s), Fury (48s), Swiftness (48s)
• t = 48s: 5 Might (6s)
• t = 54s: No boons

So as you can see, without boon stealing, you would end up with double the might, not to mention 93% uptime on Swiftness and Fury. In comparison, currently you get 80% uptime on Swiftness and Fury.

Forestgreen.7981:

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

Mesmers have been running that spec since late 2012, mate.

Also, run CC and communicate with your team. Warriors are like battering rams: they hit hard, but they need 4 people to carry them in order to be effective.

SharadSun.3089:

Forestgreen.7981:

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

Mesmers have been running that spec since late 2012, mate.

Also, run CC and communicate with your team. Warriors are like battering rams: they hit hard, but they need 4 people to carry them in order to be effective.

Just trying to show how the lastest change made Warrior’s only good ability that 99% of warriors run SoR are now either worthless (mesmers) or detrimental (necro,thieves) when you use em.

Forestgreen.7981:

SharadSun.3089:

Forestgreen.7981:

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

Mesmers have been running that spec since late 2012, mate.

Also, run CC and communicate with your team. Warriors are like battering rams: they hit hard, but they need 4 people to carry them in order to be effective.

Just trying to show how the lastest change made Warrior’s only good ability that 99% of warriors run SoR are now either worthless (mesmers) or detrimental (necro,thieves) when you use em.

Most of the better warriors I know use Battle Standard for the res, and I’ve taken their choice into my own build (not counting the might-stacking axe/longbow Warriors).

But yeah, I do agree with the general premise. I just don’t think that Warriors are so boon-reliant to be forced to deal with the issue. If we had a better class niche overall, this boonstealing bit wouldn’t even be a problem for us.

Forestgreen.7981:

SharadSun.3089:

Forestgreen.7981:

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

Mesmers have been running that spec since late 2012, mate.

Also, run CC and communicate with your team. Warriors are like battering rams: they hit hard, but they need 4 people to carry them in order to be effective.

Just trying to show how the lastest change made Warrior’s only good ability that 99% of warriors run SoR are now either worthless (mesmers) or detrimental (necro,thieves) when you use em.

They could fix a lot of that by bringing Battle Standard up to the level of the other banners. All banners except Battle Standard have a 95s duration and thus can have a 99% uptime with a small investment of 10 points into Tactics. In comparison, Battle Standard is 65s, so with the same trait it’s only a 34% uptime.

Personally, the biggest reason I don’t use Battle Standard is because of the absolutely crappy uptime. The partywide boons I can already provide much better with a Warhorn and For Great Justice and the crappy uptime means that it’s not worth keeping for personal use either.

Olba.5376:

Forestgreen.7981:

SharadSun.3089:

Forestgreen.7981:

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

Mesmers have been running that spec since late 2012, mate.

Also, run CC and communicate with your team. Warriors are like battering rams: they hit hard, but they need 4 people to carry them in order to be effective.

Just trying to show how the lastest change made Warrior’s only good ability that 99% of warriors run SoR are now either worthless (mesmers) or detrimental (necro,thieves) when you use em.

They could fix a lot of that by bringing Battle Standard up to the level of the other banners. All banners except Battle Standard have a 95s duration and thus can have a 99% uptime with a small investment of 10 points into Tactics. In comparison, Battle Standard is 65s, so with the same trait it’s only a 34% uptime.

Personally, the biggest reason I don’t use Battle Standard is because of the absolutely crappy uptime. The partywide boons I can already provide much better with a Warhorn and For Great Justice and the crappy uptime means that it’s not worth keeping for personal use either.

ah xD I use it purely for the res.

Maybe it’s the tPvP mentality, but I go for burst utility over consistent utility.

With all that said, Battle Standard does need a bit of a buff. Maybe an effect that stacks Fury higher over time, so when it expires, you still have a massive Fury uptime that lasts until you can summon the banner next.

To me, Battle Standard is a great counter to boon removal; it offers fairly consistent utility and junk-boon padding. But as you said, the uptime does suffer.

SharadSun.3089:

ah xD I use it purely for the res.

Maybe it’s the tPvP mentality, but I go for burst utility over consistent utility.

With all that said, Battle Standard does need a bit of a buff. Maybe an effect that stacks Fury higher over time, so when it expires, you still have a massive Fury uptime that lasts until you can summon the banner next.

To me, Battle Standard is a great counter to boon removal; it offers fairly consistent utility and junk-boon padding. But as you said, the uptime does suffer.

Well, the thing is, I can totally understand it having a higher cooldown than other banners, it’s an elite skill after all. Not to mention thakittens passive is far superior to to the other banners.

What I do not understand is why the heck does it have a shorter duration than other banners.

The sad thing is, the passive boons for Battle Standard are crap. I can provide better Swiftness, Might and Fury for my party with For Great Justice and the active skills of Banner of Discipline, even while traiting zero points towards Shouts and Banners. Banne of Discipline also comes with 170 Precision (8-9% crit rate) and 15% crit damage. Not to mention that with minimal trait investing, I can make it’s uptime 99%.

Having one class’ elite removed by another’s regular weapon zero cool down spammable weapon skill which evades and can’t be blocked is a joke.

Having one class’ elite removed by another’s instant utility skill is a joke.

The solution is very simple:

Either make the Signer of rage boons similar to the nature of banners -obviously not stationary- thus they can not be ripped/stolen (were not doing great as warriors btw, Anet)

Or

Revamp our kittentiest elite in the game

Also, wtf..half the professions in the game have boon ripping or boon STEALING on their WEAPON skills with ZERO cool down on the weapon skills and we get the kitteny and significantly inferior destruction of the empowered.

It just blows my mind that these changes go through. I’m surprised no one is proof checking these changes brought up by a certain brilliant dev.

Great terrible player comes in and tells warriors to use battle standard for your boons what a joke.

SharadSun.3089:

Olba.5376:

Forestgreen.7981:

SharadSun.3089:

Forestgreen.7981:

Now that mesmers are adopting the entire boon strip and running 20/20/0/0/30 they can spam shatter and remove Signet of Rage buffs along with that stability you were using so they weren’t just daze/stun/into the void pulling you all day.

Doesn’t help that thieves are now in full power with running double sword/dagger only builds with swapping sigils stealing boons left and right.

Also the fact that almost every single necro runs Corrupt Boons that just removes whatever boons I got. So much for rune of lyssa, oh well.

PS. Thanks A-Net, community still trying to find a workable tPvP build that’s viable after 9 months.! Let’s make it 10 when you buff our banners some more and kick in the next patch.

Mesmers have been running that spec since late 2012, mate.

Also, run CC and communicate with your team. Warriors are like battering rams: they hit hard, but they need 4 people to carry them in order to be effective.

Just trying to show how the lastest change made Warrior’s only good ability that 99% of warriors run SoR are now either worthless (mesmers) or detrimental (necro,thieves) when you use em.

They could fix a lot of that by bringing Battle Standard up to the level of the other banners. All banners except Battle Standard have a 95s duration and thus can have a 99% uptime with a small investment of 10 points into Tactics. In comparison, Battle Standard is 65s, so with the same trait it’s only a 34% uptime.

Personally, the biggest reason I don’t use Battle Standard is because of the absolutely crappy uptime. The partywide boons I can already provide much better with a Warhorn and For Great Justice and the crappy uptime means that it’s not worth keeping for personal use either.

ah xD I use it purely for the res.

Maybe it’s the tPvP mentality, but I go for burst utility over consistent utility.

With all that said, Battle Standard does need a bit of a buff. Maybe an effect that stacks Fury higher over time, so when it expires, you still have a massive Fury uptime that lasts until you can summon the banner next.

To me, Battle Standard is a great counter to boon removal; it offers fairly consistent utility and junk-boon padding. But as you said, the uptime does suffer.

Yep..let us all use the battle standard for boons..

Entertaining suggestions as always, Shyamalan!

XII.9401:

Having one class’ elite removed by another’s regular weapon zero cool down spammable weapon skill which evades and can’t be blocked is a joke.

Having one class’ elite removed by another’s instant utility skill is a joke.

The solution is very simple:

Either make the Signer of rage boons similar to the nature of banners -obviously not stationary- thus they can not be ripped/stolen (were not doing great as warriors btw, Anet)

Or

Revamp our kittentiest elite in the game

Also, wtf..half the professions in the game have boon ripping or boon STEALING on their WEAPON skills with ZERO cool down on the weapon skills and we get the kitteny and significantly inferior destruction of the empowered.

It just blows my mind that these changes go through. I’m surprised no one is proof checking these changes brought up by a certain brilliant dev.

Uhg, you’re reading too far into the term ‘elite’.

You pretend like SoR is the only nullifiable elite skill. You can strip the boons from Rampage as One just as easily and it has twice the recharge. Glyph of Elementals can be destroyed by the Elementalist accidentally moving into water. You can strip > stun out of Dagger Storm. The huge bonus to SoR is that it has the fastest cooldown of any elite skill and it will always have some kind of effect on you until its boons expire.

That said, OP, I think Warriors have much less to worry about when it comes to boon stripping/corruption. Unless you run with vigor and regen up alot, none of the corrupted boons will even do damage and can be removed quickly with various skills. Regarding stripping, that’s where Elementalist, Guardian and to a lesser extend Rangers and Mesmers have to worry about. You just have to be able to accomplish things without boons and/or know when to pop your boons.

That all said, with boon stripping/stealing/etc, I do feel Warrior gets the short end of the stick when it comes to movement speed. Others have a means of gaining inherent 25% speed but Warrior doesn’t have such luck. I’d probably propose adding a bonus to movement speed as the passive for SoR or perhaps buff Warrior’s Sprint up to at least 20% speed.

Warriors have the longest boons of the lowest quantity. We favor quality of quantity, while ele/guardian are the opposite. This means it effects us MOST…

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors have the longest boons of the lowest quantity. We favor quality of quantity, while ele/guardian are the opposite. This means it effects us MOST…

Only in your head. Warriors have access to short duration boons from traits too.

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors have the longest boons of the lowest quantity. We favor quality of quantity, while ele/guardian are the opposite. This means it effects us MOST…

Only in your head. Warriors have access to short duration boons from traits too.

Leo G… my arch nemesis…

It seems you don’t understand what i’m saying.

Warriors have more access to three boons more then anyone else. Might/Fury/Swiftness, however we have them at such LONG durations that they are easy to steal, because we favor quality over quantity, yes we do have short duration traits, however that is like adding 7 seconds to 40, its insignificant and just makes the forever boon even more forever.

Daecollo.9578:

however that is like adding 7 seconds to 40,

OR…it’s 7 seconds after you lost the 40 seconds. Not trying to contradict SoR’s and FGJ’s
boons, but they aren’t the only access to might, fury and swiftness and just like everyone else that uses short duration boons, which you claim are less effected, it adds up.

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

however that is like adding 7 seconds to 40,

OR…it’s 7 seconds after you lost the 40 seconds. Not trying to contradict SoR’s and FGJ’s
boons, but they aren’t the only access to might, fury and swiftness and just like everyone else that uses short duration boons, which you claim are less effected, it adds up.

I’m pretty sure it would take away more then 10% of our HP, which would proc the buff before it stole it.

I love this meta, wait 3seconds and hammerstun all the way baby! ^^

Run some decent guardians with you and you’ll still have stability yourself.

Leo G.4501:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors have the longest boons of the lowest quantity. We favor quality of quantity, while ele/guardian are the opposite. This means it effects us MOST…

Only in your head. Warriors have access to short duration boons from traits too.

You can have fury and might up for 24 hours and youl still get your kitten handed to you by ranger relying on evades/ protection (notice this boon) or a guard who has protection or an ele who has protection/might/regen/heal on a 9sec cool down.

The quality of our boons is crap. Might and fury as our valid elite skill? That is a joke since other classes get it from non-elite sources.

Your armor/hp is useless compared to protection and a big chunk of our class design is based on our tough/vit.

Hell..even rangers tank the kitten out of us.

MiLkZz.4789:

I love this meta, wait 3seconds and hammerstun all the way baby! ^^

Run some decent guardians with you and you’ll still have stability yourself.

Great solution..in order for us to be valid we need a baby sitter. Not everyone enjoys running in a zerg for protection.