Guild Wars 2

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Could this be the must have traits now?
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6 into defense just because its waay to good > CI / endure pain or last stand / dogged marched or sure footed… this trait line is just to good to ignore in pvp

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6 into discipline for ofc weapon swap reduction and adrenaline/might on weaponswap + the many more traits like 25% run speed and 3% dmg per boon.. but now ofc also Brawlers recovery…
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Think about this CI+BR maby another sigil of cleansing… this would give the warriors so much sustain against condi builds (for roaming) kinda hard to ignore all this..

Yeah you can spend more in strength for more dmg ofc but i think these traitlines (strength/arms) are not that great compared to defense/discipline..

One thing I’ve been playing around with is taking Burst Mastery. Since you only need 1 bar of adrenaline for Greatsword’s Arcing Slice to do its full damage, you can use your other weapon’s Burst Skill followed up by Greatsword’s Arcing Slice. If, for example, you hit the first one (like an eviscerate), you should be fairly confident your target is <= 50% hp so you get the bonus damage from Arcing Slice.

Another thought is Brawler’s Recovery with Runes of the Warrior. I haven’t tested this yet, but (1) Does Runes of the Warrior stack with Fast Hands? (2) Does Brawler’s Recovery have an internal cooldown?

Yeah no… from the ready up i would say yes> Burst skill 1 > swap and Arcing slice..

But the damage is way to low for that.. even rush does more dmg.. so why not swap and rush it..

And decreasing your weapons swap with 1 sec doesnt do any good..

first: it cost you a rune set for just -1 sec…
second: when your fighting you dont swap everytime its off cooldown.. you dont really swap every 4 sec.. so you dont really benefit from runes of the warrior.

nicknamenick.2437:

Yeah no… from the ready up i would say yes> Burst skill 1 > swap and Arcing slice..

But the damage is way to low for that.. even rush does more dmg.. so why not swap and rush it..

And decreasing your weapons swap with 1 sec doesnt do any good..

first: it cost you a rune set for just -1 sec…
second: when your fighting you dont swap everytime its off cooldown.. you dont really swap every 4 sec.. so you dont really benefit from runes of the warrior.

It’s 20% better, which means if you clean 1000 with Warrior runes you only clean 800 without. Say in a fight that lasts for 40 seconds you will be able to clean 10 conditions with them and without them 8. I agree with you in that matter, it’s not worth it, but what’s interesing is that the numbers must be very similar to CI. On an absolute best CI would be able to remove 12 conditions without burst mastery in 40 seconds, but that won’t happen so it must be around 8 you remove. But BR always procs. Together though…

Aye, together, especially give that you’ll get more adrenaline from CI as well kitten Adrenaline on each weapon swap … could make conditions much less of an issue … though you need to land your burst for CI.

Edit:
Actually, you could fit Cleansing Ire, Quick Breathing, and Brawler’s Recovery in a single build.

3 Condition Cleanses from traits
– Horn #4 (12s cd) and #5 (16s cd) each convert 1 condition to 1 boon
– Horn #4 (12s cd) cleanses Cripple, Immobilize, and Chill
– Burst Skills (7.75s cd each)
– Weapon Swap (5s cd)

And that’s before Utilities, Runes, and Sigils come into play.

Since putting 6 points into Discipline, you could also take Mobile Strikes for more immobilize cleansing. This is obviously dependent on weapon choices though.

Since putting 4 points into Defense, you could also take Dogged March to make Cripple, Chill, and Immobilize shorter and give you regen.

Basically, you’re already looking pretty good versus conditions … and could get better with runes, sigils, and/or utilities.

Then you have Weakness on Horn #5 for reducing damage from power builds. Horn #5 also gives Vigor for 12s more dodge rolls. With a 16s cd, that’s a 75% uptime on Vigor (at best).

Having Heavy Armor, while not a massive bonus, is definitely better than light armor when it comes to direct damage as well.

Since you already have 12s of Swiftness from Horn #4 on a 12s cd, you could take Vigorous Focus or Signet Mastery instead of Warrior’s Sprint.

… just thoughts … though I’m curious about everyone else’s.

Sebrent.3625:

Aye, together, especially give that you’ll get more adrenaline from CI as well kitten Adrenaline on each weapon swap … could make conditions much less of an issue … though you need to land your burst for CI.

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Edit:
Actually, you could fit Cleansing Ire, Quick Breathing, and Brawler’s Recovery in a single build.

3 Condition Cleanses from traits
– Horn #4 (12s cd) and #5 (16s cd) each convert 1 condition to 1 boon
– Horn #4 (12s cd) cleanses Cripple, Immobilize, and Chill
– Burst Skills (7.75s cd each)
– Weapon Swap (5s cd)

And that’s before Utilities, Runes, and Sigils come into play.

Since putting 6 points into Discipline, you could also take Mobile Strikes for more immobilize cleansing. This is obviously dependent on weapon choices though.

Since putting 4 points into Defense, you could also take Dogged March to make Cripple, Chill, and Immobilize shorter and give you regen.

Basically, you’re already looking pretty good versus conditions … and could get better with runes, sigils, and/or utilities.

Then you have Weakness on Horn #5 for reducing damage from power builds. Horn #5 also gives Vigor for 12s more dodge rolls. With a 16s cd, that’s a 75% uptime on Vigor (at best).

Having Heavy Armor, while not a massive bonus, is definitely better than light armor when it comes to direct damage as well.

Since you already have 12s of Swiftness from Horn #4 on a 12s cd, you could take Vigorous Focus or Signet Mastery instead of Warrior’s Sprint.

… just thoughts … though I’m curious about everyone else’s.

Yeah. Only thing is that when you go up against a direct damage build you have wasted that.

Yes, if you take any condition cleanse and your opponent uses 0 conditions in their build, it is “wasted”. What viable builds do you use that have 0 conditions?

The horn still provides Swiftness as well as Weakness and Vigor for helping combat direct damage. Then you have whatever MH you use with the Horn as well as your entire 2nd weaponset and utilities.

Sure, if you want to be that guy who goes to the 1v1 duels, watches a guy fight, and then makes a build to specifically fight that guy … this wouldn’t be optimal against a pure-power build.

Lastly, if you look around the boards … conditions and conditions builds are very common.

Never mind the fact that its been stated that BR was not good enough to be a GM trait before the buff.

Buffing makes it almost as good as a trait that costs less.

Had the changes to adrenaline not been made we could take BR over CI however due to the changes you are forced to take CL.

The discussion over BR vs CI is a moot point. The discussion now should be still why do we want to take BR when we already have a solution to blindness with using hydromany. And if we are taking it for 2 extra condi cleanses does those condi cleanses need to come from BR the answer is no.

When was this stated? By who? Based on what?

Based on your post, I’m not sure if you’re aware that Brawler’s Recovery now removes any type of condition; not just blind.

I do not see why it has to be an either-or decision unless you absolutely must spend some of those trait points elsewhere.

When was this stated? By who? Based on what?

Based on your post, I’m not sure if you’re aware that Brawler’s Recovery now removes any type of condition; not just blind.
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It was stated officially in the ready up that BR was underpowered and that’s why they are buffing it.

BR used to only remove blind, no one needed this trait. We already have a solution for that. BR still preferentially removes blind. Similar to warhorns preferentially removes immobilize. You didn’t read my post very well then. Since I stated that I was perfectly aware that it removed 2 condis.
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I do not see why it has to be an either-or decision unless you absolutely must spend some of those trait points elsewhere.
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You Must take CI now. not because of condi cleasin but because of adrenaline changes. But you don’t still must have to take BR. You can take BR if you wanted to though. But you cannot take BR over CI.

If you have to choose between BR and a number of other traits, BR is not a must have and you are better off still taking other traits like BM.

HF is hardly worth in now since you start a fight with zero adrinaline. Same goes with BP. So since you dont need HF or BR you don’t need to go 6 deep in dis. And if you went 6 deep and dis it need not be for BR.

BR will never replace CI unless Anet make Adrenaline gain when hit based line. Now that Adrenaline is lost on burst miss, Anet really should make that a based line.

However, BR is extremely powerful IMO. Additional 1 condition per 5 sec on top of CI is really hard to make condition stick.

But Warlord is right BR is optional, where as CI is necessary.

“The discussion now should be still why do we want to take BR when we already have a solution to blindness with using hydromany.” Is what made me unsure if you were aware of the change. Just a misunderstanding.

I agree that CI is the superior condition clear compared to BR for the exact reason you stated, bigmonto.

I’m curious if a Warrior can handle conditions with several clears CI, BR, etc. and then use Weakness, Blocks, and Dodge Rolls to combat power builds. The change to BR and the 3rd hit on MH Mace are what have me curious about this.