(edited by Juba.8406)
Buff the Grandmaster trait "Furious"
make it give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Furious
because +1 adrenaline strike is so underwhelming for a Grandmaster trait that only works on crits.
It actually used to give 2 or 3 adrenaline a long time ago. They ninja nerfed it.
make it give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Furious
because +1 adrenaline strike is so underwhelming for a Grandmaster trait that only works on crits.
It actually used to give 2 or 3 adrenaline a long time ago. They ninja nerfed it.
It used to give +2 adrenaline per crit.
The thing with Furious is that it’s Grandmaster because it works with all weapons. Sharpened Axes is Master and it only works on a single weapon.
I don’t think that Furious should be +3 adrenaline on crit. That’s more than what it used to be and it was toned down from what it used to be for a reason. At +3 adrenaline (meaning 4 per crit), you’d be making any multihit skill on Warrior (Volley, 100 blades, Whirling Axe, Mariner’s Frenzy) massive adrenaline generators. Note that both Rifle and GS already invest heavily into the Arms tree to begin with.
Currently, Furious is balanced when you compare it to Burst Mastery. Furious is superior to Burst Mastery if you have high enough crit rate, which is exactly how it should be. Making Furious much stronger would mean that it would be superior to Burst Mastery in most cases. Not to mention how ridiculous it would make any build that incorporated Sharpened Axes into it.
Yeah, burst mastery increases burst damage by 7%. Furious doesn’t come close to being comparable.
make it give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Furious
because +1 adrenaline strike is so underwhelming for a Grandmaster trait that only works on crits.
It actually used to give 2 or 3 adrenaline a long time ago. They ninja nerfed it.
It used to give +2 adrenaline per crit.
The thing with Furious is that it’s Grandmaster because it works with all weapons. Sharpened Axes is Master and it only works on a single weapon.
I don’t think that Furious should be +3 adrenaline on crit. That’s more than what it used to be and it was toned down from what it used to be for a reason. At +3 adrenaline (meaning 4 per crit), you’d be making any multihit skill on Warrior (Volley, 100 blades, Whirling Axe, Mariner’s Frenzy) massive adrenaline generators. Note that both Rifle and GS already invest heavily into the Arms tree to begin with.
Currently, Furious is balanced when you compare it to Burst Mastery. Furious is superior to Burst Mastery if you have high enough crit rate, which is exactly how it should be. Making Furious much stronger would mean that it would be superior to Burst Mastery in most cases. Not to mention how ridiculous it would make any build that incorporated Sharpened Axes into it.
Sharpened Axes is way superior than Furious, +2 adrenline on axe crits PLUS -20% cd on axe skills. and its a master trait!!
what u get with furious ?!!! +1 adrenaline …… really thats it, from a grandmaster trait !.
let me do it in another way, give me a current build that uses Furious, if there is any.
make it give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Furious
because +1 adrenaline strike is so underwhelming for a Grandmaster trait that only works on crits.
It actually used to give 2 or 3 adrenaline a long time ago. They ninja nerfed it.
It used to give +2 adrenaline per crit.
The thing with Furious is that it’s Grandmaster because it works with all weapons. Sharpened Axes is Master and it only works on a single weapon.
I don’t think that Furious should be +3 adrenaline on crit. That’s more than what it used to be and it was toned down from what it used to be for a reason. At +3 adrenaline (meaning 4 per crit), you’d be making any multihit skill on Warrior (Volley, 100 blades, Whirling Axe, Mariner’s Frenzy) massive adrenaline generators. Note that both Rifle and GS already invest heavily into the Arms tree to begin with.
Currently, Furious is balanced when you compare it to Burst Mastery. Furious is superior to Burst Mastery if you have high enough crit rate, which is exactly how it should be. Making Furious much stronger would mean that it would be superior to Burst Mastery in most cases. Not to mention how ridiculous it would make any build that incorporated Sharpened Axes into it.
Sharpened Axes is way superior than Furious, +2 adrenline on axe crits PLUS -20% cd on axe skills. and its a master trait!!
what u get with furious ?!!! +1 adrenaline …… really thats it, from a grandmaster trait !.
let me do it in another way, give me a current build that uses Furious, if there is any.
The tooltip on Sharpened Axes is wrong. It was tested to provide +1 adrenaline for crits. And that’s exactly my point: if Sharpened Axes, which only applies to Axes, is a Master trait, then Furious, which applies to all weapons, has to be Grandmaster.
Yeah, burst mastery increases burst damage by 7%. Furious doesn’t come close to being comparable.
If only there wasn’t some non-damage related reason to use your burst skill, like procing Cleansing Ire. If only there weren’t burst skills that are condi damage oriented, such as Flurry, that won’t benefit from the +7% damage on Burst Master.
I’ve been using Furious since launch, and I hope it at least gets placed back to it’s pre-stealth (June 2013, if I recall, with multiple bug reports never addressed) nerf days of giving +2.
With all the changes to adrenaline it seems fair, since we can’t even save adrenaline from 1 fight to the next now, we should be able to build it up a bit quicker, especially for a grandmaster trait. I still think it’s the best grandmaster trait in the line, but it doesn’t have too much to compete with.
make it give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Furious
because +1 adrenaline strike is so underwhelming for a Grandmaster trait that only works on crits.
It actually used to give 2 or 3 adrenaline a long time ago. They ninja nerfed it.
It used to give +2 adrenaline per crit.
The thing with Furious is that it’s Grandmaster because it works with all weapons. Sharpened Axes is Master and it only works on a single weapon.
I don’t think that Furious should be +3 adrenaline on crit. That’s more than what it used to be and it was toned down from what it used to be for a reason. At +3 adrenaline (meaning 4 per crit), you’d be making any multihit skill on Warrior (Volley, 100 blades, Whirling Axe, Mariner’s Frenzy) massive adrenaline generators. Note that both Rifle and GS already invest heavily into the Arms tree to begin with.
Currently, Furious is balanced when you compare it to Burst Mastery. Furious is superior to Burst Mastery if you have high enough crit rate, which is exactly how it should be. Making Furious much stronger would mean that it would be superior to Burst Mastery in most cases. Not to mention how ridiculous it would make any build that incorporated Sharpened Axes into it.
Sharpened Axes is way superior than Furious, +2 adrenline on axe crits PLUS -20% cd on axe skills. and its a master trait!!
what u get with furious ?!!! +1 adrenaline …… really thats it, from a grandmaster trait !.
let me do it in another way, give me a current build that uses Furious, if there is any.
The tooltip on Sharpened Axes is wrong. It was tested to provide +1 adrenaline for crits. And that’s exactly my point: if Sharpened Axes, which only applies to Axes, is a Master trait, then Furious, which applies to all weapons, has to be Grandmaster.
Yeah, burst mastery increases burst damage by 7%. Furious doesn’t come close to being comparable.
If only there wasn’t some non-damage related reason to use your burst skill, like procing Cleansing Ire. If only there weren’t burst skills that are condi damage oriented, such as Flurry, that won’t benefit from the +7% damage on Burst Master.
^^^
you are ignoring the fact that that Sharpened Axes also reduces Axe skills cd.
i’m really surprised of defending Furious current state, as far as i know … No Warrior uses Furious , i can go far and say.. No warrior insane enough to go 6 in Arms tree line.
changing Furious to give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit will give the motivation for warrior to actually go 6 in Arms.
make it give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Furious
because +1 adrenaline strike is so underwhelming for a Grandmaster trait that only works on crits.
It actually used to give 2 or 3 adrenaline a long time ago. They ninja nerfed it.
It used to give +2 adrenaline per crit.
The thing with Furious is that it’s Grandmaster because it works with all weapons. Sharpened Axes is Master and it only works on a single weapon.
I don’t think that Furious should be +3 adrenaline on crit. That’s more than what it used to be and it was toned down from what it used to be for a reason. At +3 adrenaline (meaning 4 per crit), you’d be making any multihit skill on Warrior (Volley, 100 blades, Whirling Axe, Mariner’s Frenzy) massive adrenaline generators. Note that both Rifle and GS already invest heavily into the Arms tree to begin with.
Currently, Furious is balanced when you compare it to Burst Mastery. Furious is superior to Burst Mastery if you have high enough crit rate, which is exactly how it should be. Making Furious much stronger would mean that it would be superior to Burst Mastery in most cases. Not to mention how ridiculous it would make any build that incorporated Sharpened Axes into it.
Sharpened Axes is way superior than Furious, +2 adrenline on axe crits PLUS -20% cd on axe skills. and its a master trait!!
what u get with furious ?!!! +1 adrenaline …… really thats it, from a grandmaster trait !.
let me do it in another way, give me a current build that uses Furious, if there is any.
The tooltip on Sharpened Axes is wrong. It was tested to provide +1 adrenaline for crits. And that’s exactly my point: if Sharpened Axes, which only applies to Axes, is a Master trait, then Furious, which applies to all weapons, has to be Grandmaster.
Yeah, burst mastery increases burst damage by 7%. Furious doesn’t come close to being comparable.
If only there wasn’t some non-damage related reason to use your burst skill, like procing Cleansing Ire. If only there weren’t burst skills that are condi damage oriented, such as Flurry, that won’t benefit from the +7% damage on Burst Master.
^^^
you are ignoring the fact that that Sharpened Axes also reduces Axe skills cd.
You act as if that CD reduction is a big deal. Well it’s not. In PvE, no one gives a kitten about CD on axe skills. In PvP, everyone agrees that Axe was majorly nerfed when they changed the damage balance on the autoattack chain. The only thing that you see people using Axe for is Zerker eviscerate builds, which won’t benefit at all from a cooldown reduction, as those builds center around using Eviscerate and regenerating adrenaline with the autoattack.
i’m really surprised of defending Furious current state, as far as i know … No Warrior uses Furious , i can go far and say.. No warrior insane enough to go 6 in Arms tree line.
changing Furious to give +3 adrenaline strikes per crit will give the motivation for warrior to actually go 6 in Arms.
Tons of people go 4 or 5 into Arms, both in PvP and PvE. The former is mostly used with Forceful Greatsword and might stacking builds in both PvP and PvE, whereas the latter is part of the meta (6/5/0/0/3) in dungeons.
Personally, I have been roaming in WvW with Sword and found that going 6 into Arms benefited me a lot, since I would be going 5 into Arms anyway on that weapon. And as I mentioned earlier, with high enough crit rate, Furious is superior to Burst Mastery in terms of generating adrenaline. After all, Burst Mastery is equivalent to a 50% boost in Adrenaline gain, which Furious can match if you have 50% crit. When you have 90%, it’s not even close to a fair contest.
Also, you’re clearly ignoring the announced skill changes in Ready Up. They’re making Arcing Slice useful, which might just result in GS builds using their adrenaline. 100 blades is a kitten good adrenaline generator, particularly with Furious. In case you can’t see it: 4 strikes of adrenaline per crit on 100 blades would give it up to 36 strikes of Adrenaline, which is more than a full bar.
(edited by Olba.5376)
4 strikes of adrenaline per crit on 100 blades would give it up to 36 strikes of Adrenaline, which is more than a full bar.
if you gone through the hustle to set it up and you found the perfect noob to eat the whole duration.. then why not ?
also
no need to write that wall of text, just give me a link to a working Build that uses the current Furious.
4 strikes of adrenaline per crit on 100 blades would give it up to 36 strikes of Adrenaline, which is more than a full bar.
if you gone through the hustle to set it up and you found the perfect noob to eat the whole duration.. then why not ?
also
no need to write that wall of text, just give me a link to a working Build that uses the current Furious.
Swords + Furious is huge amounts of adrenaline..
normally burst attacks doesnt give adrenaline, with furious it does.
Now this issnt that good on hammers or mace etc..
But sword flurry!! 11x hits..
That skill almost give instant full adrenaline back :-P
Same for 100b. and even longbow AA (2xhits) all works nice with this trait.
But it does need something extra like burst mastery..
Maby + 5% crit chance?
Or + 10% critical damage?
Dunno..
I never unslot Furious for warrior condition specs. Multi-hit burst skills will recharge themselves a small amount with this trait and, as mentioned, a fair amount of critical chance will keep your adrenaline up. Although, I’m not ready to call it equivalent to Burst Mastery. Don’t forget that Burst Mastery includes a 7% damage bonus and doesn’t require as much contact with your opponents to maintain adrenaline. It’s more or less about having the trait in the Arms line where you’re likely already invested if you’re running a condition spec.
I can live with it as it is but if they decided to revert it to +2 adrenaline then I wouldn’t complain.
Some of the replies in this topic are so ridiculous, I feel for you Juba.
There is not a single decent build right now using Furious, that could not spend that trait point better elsewhere.
Burst Mastery is not better because it gives you a 7% damage increase. It is better because you can use burst skills back to back, no need to build new adrenaline. Burst Mastery also comes in a far better trait line then Furious.
Changing Furious to give +2 adrenaline on crit would be a PvE buff more then anything else I guess. I don’t know, but something like 6/6/x/x/x is the meta?
I think nicknamenick has a good point. Give Furious something of a crit boost, chance is probably the best. Although 10% crit damage would be good also.
The only thing that you see people using Axe for is Zerker eviscerate builds
Do you even PvP?
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Some of the replies in this topic are so ridiculous, I feel for you Juba.
There is not a single decent build right now using Furious, that could not spend that trait point better elsewhere.
Burst Mastery is not better because it gives you a 7% damage increase. It is better because you can use burst skills back to back, no need to build new adrenaline. Burst Mastery also comes in a far better trait line then Furious.
Changing Furious to give +2 adrenaline on crit would be a PvE buff more then anything else I guess. I don’t know, but something like 6/6/x/x/x is the meta?
I think nicknamenick has a good point. Give Furious something of a crit boost, chance is probably the best. Although 10% crit damage would be good also.
The only thing that you see people using Axe for is Zerker eviscerate builds
Do you even PvP?
well thanks, for a while i thought that im in a wrong profession fourm or sorta of.
PVEers dont spend adrenaline so Furious is not for them, they dont even go 6 in arms, they go 5 just to take Attack of opportunity the +10% damage to bleeding foes.
i dont think that Furious should give more damage, already warriors can go Burst mastery for that.
if we look at cleansing ire and Burst Mastery, they are great Adrenaline generators without talking about the other great buffs they got, Furious has no buffs but also a bad Adrenaline generator.
as a trait only reserved for Adrenaline generating it should be better than both cleansing ire and Burst Mastery for those who want just Adrenaline not condi cleansing or more damage.
well thanks, for a while i thought that im in a wrong profession fourm or sorta of.
PVEers dont spend adrenaline so Furious is not for them, they dont even go 6 in arms, they go 5 just to take Attack of opportunity the +10% damage to bleeding foes.
i dont think that Furious should give more damage, already warriors can go Burst mastery for that.
if we look at cleansing ire and Burst Mastery, they are great Adrenaline generators without talking about the other great buffs they got, Furious has no buffs but also a bad Adrenaline generator.
as a trait only reserved for Adrenaline generating it should be better than both cleansing ire and Burst Mastery for those who want just Adrenaline not condi cleansing or more damage.
About the PvE thing, I believe one gets the most damage from 6/6/0/0/2 camping GS right now. Thing is, if Furious granted that much more adrenaline, using it might actually be viable after the GS nerf hits.
Again though, PvE is not my thing so idc really.
Burst Mastery only gives 7% to Burst skills. I see a niche for Furious to give something of a damage boost to all attacks, or better yet, critical hits. This would make 6 in Furious more attractive for power specs.
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