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Posted by: CookMETEnder.7582

CookMETEnder.7582

Your preference?
Power, Toughness, Critical Damage (Knight)
VS.
Power, Toughness, Precision (Knight)

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Posted by: Alexander.4827

Alexander.4827

Both. Balance them out otherwise they become useless.

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

(edited by CoaxialMazer.9140)

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Posted by: molepunch.5673

molepunch.5673

Just to add: Mace #2 triggers Unsuspecting Foe as well (bug? ). Sigil of Impact on my hammer also seems to be working out.

I was told Toughness is not as good as Vitality unless you have some Healing Power. Would Valkyrie be a better choice then?

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

Not for warrior since our effective health would benefit more from toughness, only 2 or three classes really benefit from valkyrie gear (guard,thief), does mace #2 really trigger unsuspecting foe?

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Posted by: Alvik.4207

Alvik.4207

That is a nice set up from Coaxial but I’d like to say that there’s a specific reason in that build why he’s not taking coat/leggings/helmet as knights gear and switching some jewelry to maybe berserker/valkyrie. It’s the fact that he’s using the hammer build, so his crit% is already maxed when accounting traits/fury.

Anyway, mixing the gear is overall most efficient for most warrior builds if you value offense/defense equally. Personally atm I have Knights coat/helmet/leggings, Berserker gloves/shoes/shoulders and a mix of Cavalier/berserker trinkets (can probably switch to full cavalier).

Ah, and health becomes better than toughness once you can count health+healing(for all the duration of your fight*potentially reduced from poison) = 10*Armor. That is true for all situations where you don’t meet a lot of condition damage, where armor would be useless.
Example where you would benefit more from health over armor: 30 second long fight vs a thief: 20k health, 1 Healing surge ~ 8k, 3k Armor. You would like to move some armor into health since the fight is so short. If it’s a condition thief with poison while you’re healing, needless to say you want to move all your armor into other stats.
So you really wanna have a few more points into health after you max your effective health against regular non-condition damage.

(edited by Alvik.4207)

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Posted by: HannaDeFreitas.4236

HannaDeFreitas.4236

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

^This

Cav all the way.

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Posted by: IDarko.4709

IDarko.4709

I’m using Knight in WvW, Berserker in PvE and also have a P/V/T set in my bank if i want to play full support or something.

I started getting ascended cavalier trinkets but learned after getting the rings and backpiece, that it’s a bad slot to get crit damage in. There was a thread and you would loss out on stats. It’s better to get crit damage in other slots basically.

Also, they added knight ascended trinkets in the last patch. Even with precision as MAJOR stat! So now i’m planning to get knight ( prec as major) accessories and amulet. This means that i will have a 50/50 cavalier/knight split on my trinkets, which will work very well with all my armor sets.

Dius Vanguard [DiVa]
Gandara – WvW Warrior

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Posted by: Alvik.4207

Alvik.4207

I’m using Knight in WvW, Berserker in PvE and also have a P/V/T set in my bank if i want to play full support or something.

I started getting ascended cavalier trinkets but learned after getting the rings and backpiece, that it’s a bad slot to get crit damage in. There was a thread and you would loss out on stats. It’s better to get crit damage in other slots basically.

Also, they added knight ascended trinkets in the last patch. Even with precision as MAJOR stat! So now i’m planning to get knight ( prec as major) accessories and amulet. This means that i will have a 50/50 cavalier/knight split on my trinkets, which will work very well with all my armor sets.

I wouldn’t advise overkilling your warrior with even more precision instead of precious crit damage slots on your trinkets.

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Posted by: IDarko.4709

IDarko.4709

True. But if i really need the crit damage, i use my zerket set with ruby orbs and get crit damage traits. Check out: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/12dmi5/tip_stat_optimization_with_crit_damage/

For WvW, i play more defensive and don’t really need a high crit damage. I’ll keep an eye out on my precision tho. Always gotta take fury into account as well of course!

Anyways, rings are the worst items to get cavalier for so i really regret that. But not i gotta find a way to make it work.

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Gandara – WvW Warrior

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

Sadly Cavalier only exist on Trinkets, If it was on armor as well, I could optimize for more maximal stats, but as of now, its the only place I can grab crit dmg and toughness in one package

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Posted by: Rez.2578

Rez.2578

Ascended trinkets/back are one of the best ways to get Crit Damage.

The link in the post 2 above me is about exotic not ascended.

Here is one with Ascended: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/18voh7/a_long_painful_analysis_of_effective_power/

Rezz[Invi]

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Posted by: Alvik.4207

Alvik.4207

True. But if i really need the crit damage, i use my zerket set with ruby orbs and get crit damage traits. Check out: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/12dmi5/tip_stat_optimization_with_crit_damage/

I thought we were talking about ascended trinkets since cavalier was mentioned~

You can see how much crit damage/stat you get by… looking at your items.

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Posted by: IDarko.4709

IDarko.4709

Whoah, never knew ascended items had it soo different. Thanks for the link.

Dius Vanguard [DiVa]
Gandara – WvW Warrior

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Posted by: CookMETEnder.7582

CookMETEnder.7582

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

^This

Cav all the way.

I don’t understand you.
In another post, you clearly stated and showed builds that you said you were currently running.
Both had ascended Berserker trinkets.
Do you even play the builds or are you just passing off theorycrafting as what you’re doing?

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

^This

Cav all the way.

I don’t understand you.
In another post, you clearly stated and showed builds that you said you were currently running.
Both had ascended Berserker trinkets.
Do you even play the builds or are you just passing off theorycrafting as what you’re doing?

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.
Read please =\

And the only trinkets where accessories berserker exotics cause they didn’t release the ascended versions yet.

All other trinket pieces in my other hammer builds where Ascended Cavalier…..
Please post a link where I put Ascended Berserker trinkets anywhere..

And i thought you were supportive towards my build =\

(edited by CoaxialMazer.9140)

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Posted by: Spifnar.4712

Spifnar.4712

Sadly Cavalier only exist on Trinkets

You can also get cavalier exotic weapons as account bound drops in FotM. I swap between zerk and cavalier axe depending on need. Also had a rifle with those stats, but decided toughness wasn’t worth the loss of precision in a ranged weapon.

Sadly, they’re pretty rare drops

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Posted by: CookMETEnder.7582

CookMETEnder.7582

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

^This

Cav all the way.

I don’t understand you.
In another post, you clearly stated and showed builds that you said you were currently running.
Both had ascended Berserker trinkets.
Do you even play the builds or are you just passing off theorycrafting as what you’re doing?

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.
Read please =\

And the only trinkets where accessories berserker exotics cause they didn’t release the ascended versions yet.

All other trinket pieces in my other hammer builds where Ascended Cavalier…..
Please post a link where I put Ascended Berserker trinkets anywhere..

And i thought you were supportive towards my build =\

I am so confused now…
You have 3 accounts?

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Posted by: HannaDeFreitas.4236

HannaDeFreitas.4236

You can also get cavalier exotic weapons as account bound drops in FotM. I swap between zerk and cavalier axe depending on need. Also had a rifle with those stats, but decided toughness wasn’t worth the loss of precision in a ranged weapon.

Sadly, they’re pretty rare drops

True, I’ve seen cavalier exotic weps drop in fractals, but they all come account bound.
You could spend a life there and never get one sadly.

Btw Cook Knight armor+Zerk trinkets and Zerk armor+Cav trinkets give roughly the same results.
With the first setup you have 12% less crit dmg, but more precision, with the second you get the opposite – but the final results are pretty similar.

I also suggest you run a ton of fractal dailies so you get swarmed with ascended rings and you can try different combos.

(edited by HannaDeFreitas.4236)

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

^This

Cav all the way.

I don’t understand you.
In another post, you clearly stated and showed builds that you said you were currently running.
Both had ascended Berserker trinkets.
Do you even play the builds or are you just passing off theorycrafting as what you’re doing?

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.
Read please =\

And the only trinkets where accessories berserker exotics cause they didn’t release the ascended versions yet.

All other trinket pieces in my other hammer builds where Ascended Cavalier…..
Please post a link where I put Ascended Berserker trinkets anywhere..

And i thought you were supportive towards my build =\

I am so confused now…
You have 3 accounts?

How does it seem like I have 3 Accounts >.>. I got two Warrior lvl 80’s

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Posted by: Foegrim.6549

Foegrim.6549

Cavalier/Zerk IMO gives best dps/defense ratio, especially for hammer builds that use unsuspecting foe. Hitting stunned targets literally means getting 50% crit chance
~1050 precisions for free (1% is about 21 or so precision). Also since obtaining perma fury for warriors is so easy, and with highest base health, a full zerk would lose to a cavalier/zerk geared warrior.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.hm|c.1g.h1l.e.1g.h4|1g.71g.1g.71g.1p.71i.1p.71i.1g.71i.1g.71i|2v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0.3v.0.2v.0|a5.a4.k1a.a1.k5a|1.1|e

almost 39% dmg reduction while still getting 50% consistent crit chance and 100% on earthshaker and shield bash (+ whatever attacks are done while opponent is still stunned). I two shotted a glass thief in WvW today (Earthshaker 5.6k crit, 6.4k crit on backbreaker). Ill get screenies next time >.>

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.

^This

Cav all the way.

I don’t understand you.
In another post, you clearly stated and showed builds that you said you were currently running.
Both had ascended Berserker trinkets.
Do you even play the builds or are you just passing off theorycrafting as what you’re doing?

Edit: Of course i didnt get accesories yet, but I plan to aim for full cavalier trinkets.
Read please =\

And the only trinkets where accessories berserker exotics cause they didn’t release the ascended versions yet.

All other trinket pieces in my other hammer builds where Ascended Cavalier…..
Please post a link where I put Ascended Berserker trinkets anywhere..

And i thought you were supportive towards my build =\

I am so confused now…
You have 3 accounts?

How does it seem like I have 3 Accounts >.>. I got two Warrior lvl 80’s

Because your forum account name is different each time you post.

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

It is o.o? My only forum Name is CoaxialMazer.9140 O.O

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Posted by: CookMETEnder.7582

CookMETEnder.7582

It is o.o? My only forum Name is CoaxialMazer.9140 O.O

HannaDeFreitas, Red Falcon, and I thought you were the third one lol

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Posted by: CoaxialMazer.9140

CoaxialMazer.9140

LOL, no no, Im just CoaxialMazer. I made lots of guides before but no one ever really commented or noticed them. Besides, why would i comment

^This

Cav all the way.

To my self? =P

But yea, Zerk/Cavalier I my favorite armor combination for Hammer Warriors Specifically.