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Posted by: Curby.4897

Curby.4897

Okay, I have tried and tried and tried. Now I need the community to assist. I have been getting dominated by conditions. I just cannot seem to find a consistent counter to conditions without sacrificing all of my damage if not most of it.

My current setup is Full Zerker + Melandru or Strength Runes. GS/M-SH or Axe-SH/Rifle (Depending on the grouping).

I use Butternut Food or Leek Soup and Maintenance Oil.

I use 6/0/4/0/4. I try to utilize Cleansing Ire but … BLIIIINNNDDDDDD. Holy crap this condition just ruins me. Basically it makes EVERYTHING MISS. Even shouts/non-targeting skills (Longbow pulsing effect). If I am blind my Cleansing Ire does NOT remove the conditions from me and I just get melted.

Any thoughts or suggestions? It is mainly just the blind that is ruining me.

I understand that you die from conditions.. I really do, I have died to just flat out being outplayed, it happens I know. But in some cases the person is a total scrub and I just get dominated because they can just sit back, blind spam, and there isn’t crap I can do about it.

This is for WvW Roaming with GS/M-SH and Havocing with Axe-SH/Rifle.

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Posted by: bobomb.5209

bobomb.5209

Well Berserkers Stance and Signet of Stamina will help immensely with condition cleansing. Also blinds only make one attack miss. If multiple attacks are missing then you are in a blinding field and you should move.

If you are having trouble with blinds it’s a learn to play issue (as much as I hate that phrase).

Also longbow f1 burst skill lands even with blind, cleansing skills and removing blind.

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

killahmayne.9518

Even with Melandru + Leek Soup + Cleansing Ire + Berserker Stance, conditions from a full condition build is still hard to deal with, believe it or not, even as a warrior.

Blinds can be a problem for a warrior sometimes, especially if you are a full melee spec against a class like a thief who can blind you at will and kite you to death. However, most classes don’t have a whole lot of access to blinds so me personally I don’t consider it a huge issue. Just use an auto attack then use Cleansing Ire. I am confused when you say blind spam because Thieves are the only class that can do that.

If you are fighting a class like a Mesmer, a good way to clear conditions is to use your burst on their clones, even if it means getting 1-2 conditions applied back at you. At least you would have multiple stacks of confusion, torments, bleeds, etc removed. Or if fighting an engi and they have dropped supply crates, use your burst on the turrets.

Also if you are using Mace/Shield + GS, consider traiting reflect missiles, it helps deal with the problem of classes kiting while attacking you from ranged. You also have be very aggressive sometimes (although that may be hard to do). Keeping your opponent pressured and on the defensive can help tone down some of the condi pressure he can apply back at you. Of course however against classes like Thieves and Mesmers that is easier said than done. And always be weary of especially torment and confusion on you. Sometimes it is better just not to move while inflicted with torment. And of course it is especially better not to attack while having multiple stacks of confusion.

Also consider using a weapon in which it is easier to condi cleanse via Cleansing Ire, like a Hammer or a Longbow.

Mace/Greatsword Video (Sept Patch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoAjKtD6MLY

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

Well Berserkers Stance and Signet of Stamina will help immensely with condition cleansing. Also blinds only make one attack miss. If multiple attacks are missing then you are in a blinding field and you should move.

If you are having trouble with blinds it’s a learn to play issue (as much as I hate that phrase).

Also longbow f1 burst skill lands even with blind, cleansing skills and removing blind.

Blinds is not a L2P issue, it is a warrior’s bane more then anything else.

That being said, Zerk stance and SoS really are great v conditions. Just be sure to not just push the zerk stance at the start. Try to either;
-time it to nullify your opponents condi bomb, or
-time it to ensure your own burst hits (against D/P thieves for instance).

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Posted by: Bee.6239

Bee.6239

Depends, Is there a certain condi based class you are trying to counter? On my spec I really have no problems with any condi unless it’s a PU Mes (Yes this means I’m implying condi thieves don’t give Me trouble if I play cards right)

Honestly I’d say try m/sh +lb or m/sh + rifle. However I’m gonna be blatantly honest the best way to counter condi, is play condi yourself. I spent a few days playing an apoth/dire condi warrior and it was ridiculously easy to kill condi thieves as compared to my standard power build. However, this might be the case for you, playing the condi spec was just too faceroll for me so I swapped back to power.

Also If you wanna stay power, posting a build calc would help to work with the #s

Disclaimer: grammatical errors because I’m on my phone.

(edited by Bee.6239)

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

Mace needs a GS or at least sword mainhand as weapon swap. In WvW, no mobility equals certain death for warriors.

I also don’t see how Mace helps against conditions? The burst is extremely hard to hit. The reflection trait helps, but that is not only for mace.

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Posted by: wads.5730

wads.5730

axe or sword/warhorn + lb/hammer/gs whatever the situation calls for.

use fgs, shake it off, zerker stance, quick breathing, dogged march, cleansing ire, healing shouts and shout cd. use soldier runes.

basically beats all condi builds, the only exception is an extremely well played terror necro and hybrid mesmer.

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Posted by: Zagerus.8675

Zagerus.8675

The best advice I could give is to try and remove the blind with your auto-attack/multi hit skills before you use long cool-down skills. If you go all melee it could be an incredibly important tactic for you to weave behind and around your opponents, especially when you sense that they are getting ready to pour their condi’s on you. Skills that need a target to activate go on a 3 second cool-down when their target is behind them right? Use that to your advantage all day long.

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Posted by: Phaeton.9582

Phaeton.9582

This is why warriors use a longbow.

It doesn’t matter if they blind you when you activate a longbow f1; it still cleanses condis.

CC counters most condition builds, anything with a hammer or mace with a zerker ammy is basically a hard counter to condition builds… but good players running power builds will mess you up.


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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

anything with a hammer or mace with a zerker ammy is basically a hard counter to condition builds…

Wh-what?

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Posted by: Gamgee.8612

Gamgee.8612

I use hydromancy on my hammer, so when I feel I need a cleanse I swap to hammer and the hydromancy sigil procs and takes away the blind, and I can land the earthshaker. Once you get the hang of it it’s VERY helpful, and if you would even use it on both of your sets you can remove the blind every weaponswap, without using that new trait to mess your build up. You would need the -weaponswap trait to use it at maximum, which I see you have.

Since it’s aoe you don’t have to be in any exact position but you will need to be as close as you can for it to actually go off. That said, don’t stand in the red circles when you do it or it’s wasted!

N I M S – Warrior of Judge Legends[JDGE]

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Posted by: killahmayne.9518

killahmayne.9518

This is why warriors use a longbow.

It doesn’t matter if they blind you when you activate a longbow f1; it still cleanses condis.

CC counters most condition builds, anything with a hammer or mace with a zerker ammy is basically a hard counter to condition builds… but good players running power builds will mess you up.

Thieves and Mesmers say hi.

Mace/Greatsword Video (Sept Patch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoAjKtD6MLY

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Posted by: Bale.9756

Bale.9756

I used to have this problem. My play style is mainly roaming solo WvW and do fairly well so hopefully this will be useful for you..

I always run with Lemongrass Poultry soup. -40% condi duration.
I also have 20 in defense. Dogged March, Cleansing Ire, and Adrenal Health (with Healing Signet)
I use Berserker’s Stance during Condi fights, but do not activate it right at the start of the fight.
I use a full set of Hoelbrak runes on my armor. I’m not married to it but right now the -20% cond duration helps.

A condi build needs constant pressure. the longer the fight lasts, the worse off you are. If the fight is going too long, start looking for ways to reset the fight with retreats, or obstacles..

If you’re using GS, keep those mobile skills handy. If I find they have the upper hand, I’ll drop my target, whirling blade and rush away, let the condi drop, heal, and re-engage. Most see a running warrior and figure they’re going to try to run and leave the fight. Surprise them with a disengage and chase, then turn around and rush them, and preferably a stun and/or root.

Use obstacles when you can to mess with them, most condi builds are ranged and obstacles really kitten them off.

Oh and my favorite… Let a rogue think they have you with a blinding field. THEN you pop berserkers stance. Their blind field does nothing and they stand it in thinking they’re fine. 100b!

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

I use hydromancy on my hammer, so when I feel I need a cleanse I swap to hammer and the hydromancy sigil procs and takes away the blind, and I can land the earthshaker. Once you get the hang of it it’s VERY helpful, and if you would even use it on both of your sets you can remove the blind every weaponswap, without using that new trait to mess your build up. You would need the -weaponswap trait to use it at maximum, which I see you have.

Since it’s aoe you don’t have to be in any exact position but you will need to be as close as you can for it to actually go off. That said, don’t stand in the red circles when you do it or it’s wasted!

This is a good tactic, but don’t use hydro on both weapon sets. It has a 9 sec cooldown, so it will not proc reliably if you use fast hands (which EVERY non pve warrior should).

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Posted by: Gamgee.8612

Gamgee.8612

I use hydromancy on my hammer, so when I feel I need a cleanse I swap to hammer and the hydromancy sigil procs and takes away the blind, and I can land the earthshaker. Once you get the hang of it it’s VERY helpful, and if you would even use it on both of your sets you can remove the blind every weaponswap, without using that new trait to mess your build up. You would need the -weaponswap trait to use it at maximum, which I see you have.

Since it’s aoe you don’t have to be in any exact position but you will need to be as close as you can for it to actually go off. That said, don’t stand in the red circles when you do it or it’s wasted!

This is a good tactic, but don’t use hydro on both weapon sets. It has a 9 sec cooldown, so it will not proc reliably if you use fast hands (which EVERY non pve warrior should).

Question: Do the sigils share cooldown? I thought that when you swap it procs and there’s 5 secs before you can swap back and then another 5 before you can make it proc again, and that way it would be reliable for a proc every swap when up in rotation. Or do the sigil actually proc and then goes on 9 sec cooldown for both of the sigils?

So I did some research and old posts state just this that when one swapping or on crit sigil is on cd no other of them will proc. Does it work the same way now after the 15th of april patch?

EDIT2: Tested it and it’s indeed the case. So, don’t use hydromancy on both sets

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(edited by Gamgee.8612)

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Posted by: Setun.4368

Setun.4368

Shouts. Shouts work great against condi builds. Just one rune set (soldier’s) + specific tree line, and everything else you can cater to your playstyle

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Posted by: Warlord.9074

Warlord.9074

I guess this is a wvw question. Although others have already answered the question.

Here is a few tips.

Tips on fighting thief’s because I guess this is what this is about.

Avoid red circles. Basically they can contain conditions like blind or caltrops. Just stay away from these. If you have no way to remove blind sometimes your best option is to simply use your mobility skills and disengage from the fight using rush or something until the blind wears off. But zerkers stance should make u immune to it.

stealth timers. Once you understand how long on average they last depending on build of course it becomes predictable when a thief will try to use back stab or other skills or simply reappear.

Stealing The moment you see a thief generally the 1st thing he/she will do is steal from you. This is like a 1200 range insta teleport. The next they they will usually do right after this is use a stealth skill like back stab. So as soon as you get stole from its a good indication you need to dodge there after.

whirling Axe This is the skill they steal from you but its not crappy like your own skill. Basically when they do this skill you have 3 options.

1st option: Kite them just run away kinda.

2nd option: stun them or interrupt them unlike dagger storm this skills doesnt have stability but it a thief dagger storms your best option is always 1 or 3.

3. DPS them down if they are low. Chances are you will kill them if they are low and they do this skill if you are not that low. BTW do not ever use ranged attacks vs this or dagger storm they will reflect damage back to you and you will kill yourself.

initiative Thief’s only have so much yes they can spam a lot of skills but if they do that they run out of it and need to reset the fight. Usually that means going back into stealth to regen initiative. You can use this to your advantage by dodging thier attacks as much as possible or using your mobility as much as possible it takes a lot of imitative to keep up with you so keep moving around as much as you can and be patient.

condition removal and stun breaks Outside of stealth and lysaa runes thief’s dont have a lot of condition removal be aware of that certain traits remove certain conditions when a thief stealth but not all types of conditions. thier other traits remove conditions every 3 seconds or something when in stealth dont quote me on that. Other than that no real condition mitigation besides shadow step and it has a long cool down.

Stun breaks
Generally most thief’s pack around 1-2 of these so if you are still alive after they broke one or 2 and you have a stun ready you can lock them down with no problem and kill them half the time.

lastly be patient
The moment that you let a thief control the fight you have lost.

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(edited by Warlord.9074)

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

I guess this is a wvw question. Although others have already answered the question.

Here is a few tips.

Tips on fighting thief’s because I guess this is what this is about.

Avoid red circles. Basically they can contain conditions like blind or caltrops. Just stay away from these. If you have no way to remove blind sometimes your best option is to simply use your mobility skills and disengage from the fight using rush or something until the blind wears off. But zerkers stance should make u immune to it.

stealth timers. Once you understand how long on average they last depending on build of course it becomes predictable when a thief will try to use back stab or other skills or simply reappear.

Stealing The moment you see a thief generally the 1st thing he/she will do is steal from you. This is like a 1200 range insta teleport. The next they they will usually do right after this is use a stealth skill like back stab. So as soon as you get stole from its a good indication you need to dodge there after.

whirling Axe This is the skill they steal from you but its not crappy like your own skill. Basically when they do this skill you have 3 options.

1st option: Kite them just run away kinda.

2nd option: stun them or interrupt them unlike dagger storm this skills doesnt have stability but it a thief dagger storms your best option is always 1 or 3.

3. DPS them down if they are low. Chances are you will kill them if they are low and they do this skill if you are not that low. BTW do not ever use ranged attacks vs this or dagger storm they will reflect damage back to you and you will kill yourself.

initiative Thief’s only have so much yes they can spam a lot of skills but if they do that they run out of it and need to reset the fight. Usually that means going back into stealth to regen initiative. You can use this to your advantage by dodging thier attacks as much as possible or using your mobility as much as possible it takes a lot of imitative to keep up with you so keep moving around as much as you can and be patient.

condition removal and stun breaks Outside of stealth and lysaa runes thief’s dont have a lot of condition removal be aware of that certain traits remove certain conditions when a thief stealth but not all types of conditions. thier other traits remove conditions every 3 seconds or something when in stealth dont quote me on that. Other than that no real condition mitigation besides shadow step and it has a long cool down.

Stun breaks
Generally most thief’s pack around 1-2 of these so if you are still alive after they broke one or 2 and you have a stun ready you can lock them down with no problem and kill them half the time.

lastly be patient
The moment that you let a thief control the fight you have lost.

The best advice vs condition p/d thieves for warrior is still to just /wave and pick another fight.
If he is any good, there is no possibility for a good outcome.

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Posted by: wads.5730

wads.5730

I guess this is a wvw question. Although others have already answered the question.

Here is a few tips.

Tips on fighting thief’s because I guess this is what this is about.

Avoid red circles. Basically they can contain conditions like blind or caltrops. Just stay away from these. If you have no way to remove blind sometimes your best option is to simply use your mobility skills and disengage from the fight using rush or something until the blind wears off. But zerkers stance should make u immune to it.

stealth timers. Once you understand how long on average they last depending on build of course it becomes predictable when a thief will try to use back stab or other skills or simply reappear.

Stealing The moment you see a thief generally the 1st thing he/she will do is steal from you. This is like a 1200 range insta teleport. The next they they will usually do right after this is use a stealth skill like back stab. So as soon as you get stole from its a good indication you need to dodge there after.

whirling Axe This is the skill they steal from you but its not crappy like your own skill. Basically when they do this skill you have 3 options.

1st option: Kite them just run away kinda.

2nd option: stun them or interrupt them unlike dagger storm this skills doesnt have stability but it a thief dagger storms your best option is always 1 or 3.

3. DPS them down if they are low. Chances are you will kill them if they are low and they do this skill if you are not that low. BTW do not ever use ranged attacks vs this or dagger storm they will reflect damage back to you and you will kill yourself.

initiative Thief’s only have so much yes they can spam a lot of skills but if they do that they run out of it and need to reset the fight. Usually that means going back into stealth to regen initiative. You can use this to your advantage by dodging thier attacks as much as possible or using your mobility as much as possible it takes a lot of imitative to keep up with you so keep moving around as much as you can and be patient.

condition removal and stun breaks Outside of stealth and lysaa runes thief’s dont have a lot of condition removal be aware of that certain traits remove certain conditions when a thief stealth but not all types of conditions. thier other traits remove conditions every 3 seconds or something when in stealth dont quote me on that. Other than that no real condition mitigation besides shadow step and it has a long cool down.

Stun breaks
Generally most thief’s pack around 1-2 of these so if you are still alive after they broke one or 2 and you have a stun ready you can lock them down with no problem and kill them half the time.

lastly be patient
The moment that you let a thief control the fight you have lost.

The best advice vs condition p/d thieves for warrior is still to just /wave and pick another fight.
If he is any good, there is no possibility for a good outcome.

you can easily draw the fight if you’re good and speced correctly, but a good p/d thief will never let you kill him.

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

you can easily draw the fight if you’re good and speced correctly, but a good p/d thief will never let you kill him.

Like I said, never a good outcome. You will either die and/or lose a lot of time, which ironically brings you closer to death as well (IRL).

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