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Posted by: zone.1073

zone.1073

Months ago I posted my condition warrior build ( Here ), trying to shine the spotlight on a really powerful build that not many people used in PvP arenas at the time. Surely the build would get nerfed eventually.

After the April patch, though, the condition warrior was not nerfed in any way. To my surprise, the condition warrior was buffed big time. Utilizing the shortest cooldown stunbreaker in the entire game, this condition warrior now frequently gains +1000 toughness with Rousing Resilience. The trait is essentially a free, built-in Endure Pain with no internal cooldown. It has propelled the condition warrior build into absurdity.

It has gotten to the point where I am struggling to find a reason to play any other warrior build in PvP; I used to cycle through hambow, greatsword/bow berserker, etc builds depending on the situation and comp, but not anymore because there’s no need. Zero builds on any classes have been able to stand up to this condition warrior build. In fact, I’ve basically quit playing my ranger (name: Iine) and my guardian because I feel like the condition warrior gives me no reason to play anything else.

Convince me not to play condition warrior, because I’m quickly losing interest in PvP due to not having any motivation to explore or improve.

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Posted by: Juba.8406

Juba.8406

Convince me not to play condition warrior, because I’m quickly losing interest in PvP due to not having any motivation to explore or improve.

mmmm because condis are bad :P

personally i don’t like condi builds but srsly condi warrior is a real pain better than even necros but if ANet wants a condi meta then why stop playing it.

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Posted by: Tom Gore.4035

Tom Gore.4035

Because condi builds bore me to death. That’s why.

I’ll accept the handicap.

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Posted by: Elegie.3620

Elegie.3620

Hi,

I agree with you that condition builds are solid, and that Rousing Resilience (and I believe Dual Wield Agility) can improve the current builds.

However, I’m afraid I don’t get your point. After all, it’s simply a matter of interest, right? If you like condition warrior, just keep playing it, but simply move to higher level arenas, where players actually care about conditions and know how to counter them? If you’re bored with the condition gameplay and just want some fresh air, then simply try a direct damage build, either for a hold a contest position? Direct damage builds can be very powerful too, and can let you have very fast victories as well.

Regards.

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Posted by: Dahir.4158

Dahir.4158

Play condition ele. More of a challenge and surprises players especially if you’re using Perplexity.

Broski

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Posted by: CntrlAltDefeat.1465

CntrlAltDefeat.1465

“No 1 vs 1…” Just as well true high level game play is not about 1 vs 1, but about team. Maybe this is why your finding it boring, because you have yet to land a spot in a high tier team. Maybe thats because you’re running a 1 vs 1 build and don’t see any reason to change. Maybe its because that build offers little team anything..there is a lot of maybe’s here..just say’n.

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Posted by: Eiland.1405

Eiland.1405

Your build is solid, no doubt, you won’t die to any1 1v1 and u give some support to group, and MH sword makes you moblie. So it’s a mobile tank. which is a nice roll but it most defiantly does not fill all the roles in PVP.

Reasons:
1. No hard CC – or more frankly no hammer, which is super fun and effective weapon in group fight which has a lockdown and rez counters that u lack.
2. It’s not a real bunker – tou may hold 2 or 3v1 (don’t know). but you don’t give half the support in boons and cleanses that guard or staff ele gives.
3. Low dmg – it’s a cond build with less then 700 cond dmg. You may not lose a 1v1 but there are some viable builds who you will never kill either (DS ele for example)
And killing is fun.
4. No fast hand – this is basically THE trait that makes warrior for me – swapping is FUN.

Suggestions to other very effective fun warriors builds:
1. GS/Hammer or GS+axe . run around and coz havok. many viable builds for this nowadys.
2. Hybrid S+S/LB – carrion amy. kill anything – 2K attack, 1K cond. Try it.

There are more then enough builds for warrior to make u fill like a god

Dry Leaves

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Posted by: Julie Yann.5379

Julie Yann.5379

Condi warrior might be fine for Soloq but when fight organized teams with decent comps (good support) conditions lose a lot of their shine. An AxSw/LB or AxSh/LB power build is a lot more fun to play in my opinion and is a lot more effective than a condition build.

Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”

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Posted by: Arcades.4689

Arcades.4689

I play an axe/lb war, and i never lost against a condi warrior.
You can deal a maximum of three damaging conditions (bleeding, torment, burning) with a total of maybe 4 conditions with immobilize. As an axe warrior i just wait for your burst with flurry and then i eviscerate you, cleansing 3 conditions and dealing at least 4k dmg.

You’ll have an hard time killin ele’s, (and you’ll never be able to kill a celestial dagger/dagger one) and condi necromancer will destroy you since they eat conditions for breakfast.
Also, there are like 3 or 4 skills in the game that stun. If you break out of a daze or a fear you’ll not get the toughness buff. And you don’t have fast hands.

In the end it’s a nice build, but not “the best” build in the world.

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Posted by: Elegie.3620

Elegie.3620

I’m surprised at the scorn the condition warrior can still get. While I can understand that the gameplay is particular and that one might not enjoy it, I still feel that it is one of the strongest duelling builds ever – especially perplexity/confusion variations. As for group settings, I guess it depends on what you have on your group, but it’s indeed probable that a standard hammer warrior will be more welcome.

It’s everybody’s right to say things like it takes 2 hours to get a kill, that the condition coverage is too poor, and that condition warriors are free kills. My opinion is entirely different, but as I play condition warrior from times to times, I won’t try and discuss these points, because that could possibly remove some of my free-kills

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Posted by: Caedmon.6798

Caedmon.6798

Because condi builds bore me to death. That’s why.

I’ll accept the handicap.

This..i used to play SS/Bow and had around 1.2k condi dmg,while having 3.8k armor using a toughness regen banner on top of it…Its one of the most boring war builds you can ever play.Its cheesemode,and it doesn’t require any form of skill to be able to use this build properly,Any “idiot” can play it so to say.Low risk build/high reward…but its way too easy to play since you got such high sustain and armor while still doing a good amount of dmg.
Im also not the range kinda guy,i like to play double melee,its more rewarding..only having 2.4k armor now..have to stay on my toes,its just more fun too play…Just getting pretty sick and tired of 95% of the others running condi meta builds.

@Op,play what is fun for you,and dont follow any meta….If the meta is black,i go white.

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Posted by: Jarek.2430

Jarek.2430

I run a semi-condi build shout heal warrior (wvw)

axe/sword & sword/warhorn
combination of cavalier, carrion and dire
intelligent, fire, doom, leaching
0/0/25/30/15

I have fun.

I do switch things around at times for zerg combat. longbow & axe/? (? being whatever I am in the mood to play with; shield, mace, sword, warhorn)

I never get rid of my axe. Love my axe.

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Posted by: oZii.2864

oZii.2864

It’s a dueling build as you saw in high level s/tPvP from the ToL conditions get no love because the organized teams know how to counter them. If your in a dueling server, hotjoining sure go ahead build to win 1v1’s thats what alot of people are doing thats why you win because your 1v1 build is better then their 1v1 build.

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Sinnastor{Warrior}Sinnacle{Mesmer}Sintacs
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Posted by: Kraljevo.2801

Kraljevo.2801

Months ago I posted my condition warrior build ( Here ), trying to shine the spotlight on a really powerful build that not many people used in PvP arenas at the time. Surely the build would get nerfed eventually.

After the April patch, though, the condition warrior was not nerfed in any way. To my surprise, the condition warrior was buffed big time. Utilizing the shortest cooldown stunbreaker in the entire game, this condition warrior now frequently gains +1000 toughness with Rousing Resilience. The trait is essentially a free, built-in Endure Pain with no internal cooldown. It has propelled the condition warrior build into absurdity.

It has gotten to the point where I am struggling to find a reason to play any other warrior build in PvP; I used to cycle through hambow, greatsword/bow berserker, etc builds depending on the situation and comp, but not anymore because there’s no need. Zero builds on any classes have been able to stand up to this condition warrior build. In fact, I’ve basically quit playing my ranger (name: Iine) and my guardian because I feel like the condition warrior gives me no reason to play anything else.

Convince me not to play condition warrior, because I’m quickly losing interest in PvP due to not having any motivation to explore or improve.

Zero builds? We know it’s strong, but its certainly not unbeatable.

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Posted by: Kraljevo.2801

Kraljevo.2801

Play condition ele. More of a challenge and surprises players especially if you’re using Perplexity.

I saw your video, very cool man. Completely forgot about that invuln elite of the sylvari.

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Posted by: Steelo.4597

Steelo.4597

when im bored of my condi bunker i switch to full zerker shout healing warrior 1h sword/wh/GS .. plays like a zerker but has all the advantages of a shout build (condi cleanse, sustain). + mad mobility.

i fear we will look back to this day and remember the good old wvw as it is now – Jan 2015

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

I don’t get why people think Rousing Resillience is a free Endure Pain. Especially on builds that already have high toughness, like condition cheese, it does not add that much more damage mitigation.

Also, EP is the guarantueed 4 second direct damage immunity, while RR only grants the toughness if you actually break from a stun. This may not be at the desired time.

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Posted by: Agony.3542

Agony.3542

1000 toughness = Endure Pain?
MMD

RIP game 2012-2014

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Posted by: Kilo November.4268

Kilo November.4268

Uhm.. cause its way more fun to land 10K eviscerates and insta gib squishy targets.

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Posted by: zone.1073

zone.1073

Ty for the responses so far, but the most common one is “it’s boring”. Well, I find it fun killing everyone. It’s fun to bully opponents around the map and have very little risk of a successful counter-harass.

It takes me a few more seconds than a berserker to kill my opponents, but I have the patience of a spider, so there really is no downside..

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Posted by: redcomyn.4651

redcomyn.4651

I only do open world pve, having absolutely no interest in pvp nor dungeons, but I certainly agree with zone. I love my sword/sword warrior. Very rarely die. When I tried the supposedly best greatsword warrior for about 3 months, yeah I killed faster, but I also died faster. I died far more often and it simply wasn’t any fun. A couple of weeks ago I went back to sword/sword, and I am back to having fun again.

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Posted by: Cygnus.6903

Cygnus.6903

I guess it boils down to what either your skill level or personal determination to improve is.

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Posted by: Phaeton.9582

Phaeton.9582

You play EU right?

We should do some duels.. Might change your mind on condi warrior viability XD


Phaatonn, London UK

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Posted by: bigmonto.4215

bigmonto.4215

You play EU right?

We should do some duels.. Might change your mind on condi warrior viability XD

I am curious about that too. So far I haven’t find anything that really matches a shout -heal conditional build 1v1 in sPvP. If the other plays really well I only find that we can’t kill each other. There is a couple of instance where a conditional engineer got close due to the knock back, but after getting some stability, we are pretty evenly matched. I am curious what type of build you do? Or perhaps you might be a very good player.

It does get a bit boring after a while, so I change it to a power build from time to time.