Guild Wars 2

Hey guys!

There probly already is such a topic or the build can be found somewhere, but I’ll ask anyway:

Is there a viable GS/x build for core warriors playing HoT? I would suggest Def (mainly for AH), Disc (mainly for all the adrenaline gain plus burst mastery) and… here I can’t decide if I should pick Str or Arms. Strength has berserkers power, forceful GS aso, but Arms has signet mastery which reads quite nice. In messy fights such as in HoT, there is always some enemy bound to be below the threshold, so there I have at least the procced signet of might up, not to mention of picking and popping other signets (such as signet of fury during a fight for re-maxing adrenaline).

Sure some of you have tried the both variants already and can share their wisdom?

TL;DR: Def/Disc/Str or Def/Disc/Arms for HoT core GS/x warrior?

I’d say just test both. Should be viable either way. Then again, i barely have bigger problems with HoT Content.

Def/Disc/Str

Str does way more for GS compared to Arms.
Arms sucks besides the signet mastery

Arms minor:
-they give VERY minor bleeding/vuln and +5% dmg

Arms major:
-signet mastery is good
-pretty much all others are minor compared to STR traits (some can even be replaced by a sigil like 100% crit on swap)
let me explain:
>Blade mastery > sword (so no need)
>Dual wielding > one handed (so no need)
>Furious > condi buff (so no need) and adrenaline but you dont need more in PVE
>Burst precision > can be completely replaced by sigil of intel (so no need)
>UF > only nice when you have mace/hammer also but then again > sigil of intel could do the job mostly also, besides in pve you have tons of fury (so no need)
>Deep strikes > Condi (so no need)

STR minor:
-good dmg on dodge (unblockable), +10% dmg, minor endurance gain

STR major:
-Forcefull greatsword.. duh :-)
-Berserkers power.. duh :-P
-only the first major traits are meh.

Thanks for that detailed breakdown, I’ll give it a try

“Arms sucks besides signet mastery”

Wong. Furious is insanely op. Strength arms discpline for bade warrior open world. Defense is useless.

NikeEU.7690:

“Arms sucks besides signet mastery”

Wong. Furious is insanely op. Strength arms discpline for bade warrior open world. Defense is useless.

He ask between str – arms…
And if you choose between those 2 then str is much better.
Furious op? Lol first of all. The condi buff is waste.
So you do it for the adrenaline on crit. While this is nice to have i would not go for arms just to gain this benefit over berserkers power. Besides warrior in pve is very easy to gain adrenaline anyways because mobs dont move.

I don’t care if he asked strength or arms. The right answer is use both. Defense in pve is terrible and you should l2p instead of using it.

NikeEU.7690:

I don’t care if he asked strength or arms. The right answer is use both. Defense in pve is terrible and you should l2p instead of using it.

who says i use defense? lol mister pve player (how hard can it be afterall)
In the end it doesnt really matter in PVE but the player asked between ARMS or STR.. so if you dont care then dont reply because with your logic you could also say dont play warr go for ele for even more dmg.

NikeEU.7690:

I don’t care if he asked strength or arms. The right answer is use both. Defense in pve is terrible and you should l2p instead of using it.

Just lol. “Is it A or B” – “42”.

Here are your 5 dollars, zerker fanboy. If you can’t answer my question, go and brag somewhere else and leave this thread to sensible and constructive discussion.
Thank you.

Edit: To make this more worthwhile, why don’t you go ahead and tell us what your sustain is when being swarmed by 10 HoT mobs? You have two dodges, one heal and some stances, now go ahead. I am toast without AH, so enlighten me.

Plautze.6290:

NikeEU.7690:

I don’t care if he asked strength or arms. The right answer is use both. Defense in pve is terrible and you should l2p instead of using it.

Just lol. “Is it A or B” – “42”.

Here are your 5 dollars, zerker fanboy. If you can’t answer my question, go and brag somewhere else and leave this thread to sensible and constructive discussion.
Thank you.

Edit: To make this more worthwhile, why don’t you go ahead and tell us what your sustain is when being swarmed by 10 HoT mobs? You have two dodges, one heal and some stances, now go ahead. I am toast without AH, so enlighten me.

I kill the mobs. Arc divider blood reckoning arc divider hundred blades kills almost anything in open world and you’re effectively invulnerable while blood reckoning is up. If you don’t have that use wwa to do damage and blade trail to cripple them yo enable you to kite the mobs.

I can’t believe this is a real conversation in 2016.

And I can’t believe I actually expected a sensible answer from you.
My bad, won’t happen again.

I gave you a perfectly sensible answer. Are you trolling? People manage to survive in hot zones quite easily without running kitten builds. If you fight mobs in open world the best course of action is to kill them with burst damage and move on. Trying to play some tank crap and beat them with attrition has been proven to be less effective since…. launch? I don’t know what you want to hear?

NikeEU.7690:

I kill the mobs. Arc divider blood reckoning arc divider hundred blades kills almost anything in open world and you’re effectively invulnerable while blood reckoning is up.

…and then you realize that you don’t HAVE Arc Divider because you’re running Strength/Arms/Discipline. Oopsie! No problem…you just push Blood Reckoning…but wait, you don’t have that either!

So instead you try to cripple 10 mobs at once with Blade Trail, apparently, and then DPS all 10 of them with WWA. And so you die a horrible bloody death and come back to the forums and say…what?

What 10 mobs are you fighting at the same time? This sounds like a fantasy.

You can use arcing slice. You can use defiant stance. Same effect. Please stop trolling.

NikeEU.7690:

Please stop trolling.

Cant…resolve…circular…reference…

I’m not sure where I’m losing you guys. You don’t need Defense in pve even in the hardest content. After I point this out I’m told “lol how do you fight 10 mobs at once?!” Well I’d like to know what and where and why you’re fighting 10 mobs at once.

Please post the HOT encounters you think require Defense and I’ll post a video killing those mobs on core warrior without Defense.

NikeEU.7690:

I’m not sure where I’m losing you guys. You don’t need Defense in pve even in the hardest content. After I point this out I’m told “lol how do you fight 10 mobs at once?!” Well I’d like to know what and where and why you’re fighting 10 mobs at once.

Please post the HOT encounters you think require Defense and I’ll post a video killing those mobs on core warrior without Defense.

You don’t need defense but you’re only taking into account the dps factor, you’re assuming everyone wants to be on edge with no sustain just because they have the virtual capability of doing just fine with full zerker and a couple dodges and a half.

You can, but if you’re soloing it’s a drag sometimes. Warrior is very forgivable in terms of dps, you can have good dps even after adding sustain elements with this class.

i think the real question should be: Should i use defence trait line in pve? answer is no, it makes no sense, just pick strength, arms and discipline, this way u will do more arcing slices with more damage and at the same time keeping up the bonus dmg from strength more consistently due to higher adrenaline regen, not to mention signet mastery wich also boosts ur dps significantly.
if u kill faster theres no need for defence trait line cuz dead mobs= no damage on u

revox.8273:

i think the real question should be: Should i use defence trait line in pve? answer is no, it makes no sense, just pick strength, arms and discipline, this way u will do more arcing slices with more damage and at the same time keeping up the bonus dmg from strength more consistently due to higher adrenaline regen, not to mention signet mastery wich also boosts ur dps significantly.
if u kill faster theres no need for defence trait line cuz dead mobs= no damage on u

I am playing a condi power hybrid build and loving it, so I go Arms, Tactics, Berserker. But agreed, Defense has no real place for general word pve.

I was thinking of a sword shield condi tank the other day non-zerker- arms, defense, discipline. I think it could be strong for loads of sustain and soloing or even wvw.

I know that wasnt what the OP asked about, but I like the options for condi warrior so wanted to add them in

revox, while I do see your train of thought, it focuses mainly on dps, but what about sustain?

I tried blood reckoning, but my outgoing damage is seemingly too low to do sufficient healing. While healing signet is the go-to in non-HoT play, it’s really fast out-dpsd by anything HoT has to offer. I could only think of Defiant Stance, although it is pretty much win or lose. Somehow I rely too heavily on AH

Anyway, thanks for the input, guys maybe I’ll try a sword/shield condi warrior. What is it like to play? I imagine stacking bleeding ad infinite and then waiting.

blood reckoning is not available for the core warrior. idk, maybe u dont dodge properly? cuz heal signet is more than capable to keep u alive in all pve content, or maybe u got used to rely on AH as u said and got a little bit lazy and dont pay much attention on your surroundings and mobs.

if somehow u have the berserker spec unlocked, man, u will destroy 50% of HOT mobs by 1 arc divider. i personally gather mobs in clusters and go like >>head but >>arc divider>>blood reckoning>>arc divider>>100b>>arc divider, or start with 100b to might stack first, that way nothing remains alive near you.

for core condi warrior id sugest replacing the shield with another sword, u will still be able to block and gain access to impale+rip combo wich does good damage
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNAscTjMdQdH2GCWeAnIGgCK9I29hAr8yeBumIASZA-TByXABDr8bU9BZrEcW1fo7RA04CDzdGAAYfguBEADCCBg1atWrGChQIIFAMLrA-e
a little core warrior condi build i used to run, but with some up to date tweaks

Condi will take a bit or two to ramp up and if your dying already going condi may make things feel hopeless. I’m not sure why and want to ask, what made you choose the defense line over gear? I mean, if you’re finding the HoT maps crazy tough and you are getting killed you would probably benefit more from changing gear. I’m not sure what’s going on and short of running around with you I don’t want to speculate. So, forgive my question if it sounds pointless.

revox.8273:

blood reckoning is not available for the core warrior. idk, maybe u dont dodge properly? cuz heal signet is more than capable to keep u alive in all pve content, or maybe u got used to rely on AH as u said and got a little bit lazy and dont pay much attention on your surroundings and mobs.

if somehow u have the berserker spec unlocked, man, u will destroy 50% of HOT mobs by 1 arc divider. i personally gather mobs in clusters and go like >>head but >>arc divider>>blood reckoning>>arc divider>>100b>>arc divider, or start with 100b to might stack first, that way nothing remains alive near you.

I guess, practice makes perfect so all I need to do is dismiss Def line and hone my skills.
I already run berserker traitline (it is in fact the only thing keeping me alive, I suppose).
But I’ll just give it a twirl and see what happens.

DKShang.8792:

Condi will take a bit or two to ramp up and if your dying already going condi may make things feel hopeless. I’m not sure why and want to ask, what made you choose the defense line over gear? I mean, if you’re finding the HoT maps crazy tough and you are getting killed you would probably benefit more from changing gear. I’m not sure what’s going on and short of running around with you I don’t want to speculate. So, forgive my question if it sounds pointless.

It’s a good question indeed. It never struck me to be more beneficial (because more expensive) to simply change gear. I always thought that’s what changeable traits are for I run a mix-n-match with mainly berserker, assassins and valk. But I plan to change to marauders as it seems to me to be berserker+valk… Is marauder a viable option?

Finally some constructive discussion! Thank you for your input, guys!

Yes, Marauders is viable and a good compromise but take that with a grain of salt; any gear in PvE can be “viable”. I would suggest using a less expensive option if I may. As only one example; you could look into Soldiers stats which you can get with dungeon tokens, karma, or crafting with the insignia from your guilds merchant. The best option I would suggest though is the one we use on our guildies. We pair them up with someone of the same profession to run around with. The reasoning here being that the best way to learn is to watch, ask, and practice under a watchful eye. So, again I apologize if this next question seems silly but have you checked with your guild to see what help they can offer?

I started out with Soldier’s, it was my first set of exotics however, using PTV takes forever to take down enemies.
Generally, I thank you for offering pretty much info on this topic instead of just saying “l2p”. I didn’t ask any guildies because I have not been long enough in a guild to do so. You see, I’m the typical 1-to-2-hours-after-work-and-that’s-it-player. The casualest of casual. So no guild has had the patience thus far to “endure” me for a longer period. But that is indeed a very good hint, tutoring. As I just signed up with a guild containing mainly casuals, I hope that I get the chance of being tutored.

But as a small side note, yesterday I dropped DEF for STR (so right not I’m running STR, DISC, BER) and while of cause becoming somewhat more squishy, I only died twice. All the while I noticed that mobs die around 20%-30% faster (each of my attacks takes a 20-30% bigger portion of hp when compared to running with DEF). So from now on, it’s indeed l2p or rather getting better at playing

so u dropped defence its a nice step up and gz 4 this.
i main warrior for almost 4 years and i also started with PTV gear, later i “upgraded” to knights, then berserker with knight trinkets and in 6-7 months became able to use just zerk gear and dont die. point is, u need time to adjust, so just remember that if u switch to full dps builds u will die, but thats the process of becoming better