Guild Wars 2

hmmm thanks for sharing!

imma try this out in hotjoin tonight around 9 hours later.

It looks decent. I wonder if it functions in any way better then an elementalist though.

No reason to take a shoutwarrior if you can take an ele.
Ele has better survivability in teamfights and is far superior in 1v1 situations – shoutwarrior gets rekt on point against ele / engi within less than 2min.

Shoutwarrior has become pretty useless after the last patch.

The problem with this build is that it has gone from a mixture of support and damage to pure support. If you take a more damaging ammy like Celestial/Cleric/Crusader your damage increases, but your healing becomes pathetic. If you take an ammy like Settlers as you do, you become basically all support but your support is still so low it’s hardly useful.

Compare your build to what a MediGuard can now offer (Focus Mastery and Retaliatory Subconscious can be swapped).

This build gives AoE Aegis, when that Aegis breaks it damages your enemies AND gives yourself and Allies Retaliation. This build also brings AoE condi cleansing, Stability, and other boons. It does all this while providing very good damage.

In my opinion this kind of build brings more to the table than Shouts Wars do now. Yes, the AoE condi removal and buffs it provides aren’t bad, but the healing nerf and the Warhorn nerf have hit this build so hard that I see no real reason to use it now. Even in WvW I see Wars becoming obsolete now.

dominik.9721:

No reason to take a shoutwarrior if you can take an ele.
Ele has better survivability in teamfights and is far superior in 1v1 situations – shoutwarrior gets rekt on point against ele / engi within less than 2min.

Shoutwarrior has become pretty useless after the last patch.

Hello. I determined to write down to resolve the misunderstanding my and your different understanding about the mechanism on how shout warrior works.

As I wrote above [Shout Warrior vs Stance Warrior] section, stance warrior does better that shout war in dueling. However, the purpose this build is designed for is not dueling, but survivality and great surpporiveness to your allies. 1vs1 dueling isn’t everything when it comes to 5vs5 PvP arena or zerg vs zerg in WvW : it is just one small part of many aspects. Winning 1vs1 dueling at capping point doesn’t determine entire win in a match. For example, if there are 2 teams fight each other : one team has 2 zerker + 1 dd cele ele, the another team has 2 zerker + 1 shout warrior, then latter team have more probability of win that team fight becuz the supportiveness that shout warrior gives to its allies is really greater and helpful than dd cele ele does.

And about ele vs shout warrior,
Yes. I have to agree with you if the shout warrior you mentioned is celestial shoutbow and ele you mentioned is dd cele ele. Celestial shout warrior doesn’t have that much survivality and supportiveness as compared to settler shout warrior. And I also witnessed that one guy who run celestial shoutbow warrior lost to dd cele ele in previous Boston Gw2 world championship. So I have to agree in your point and here is a solution : use Shout King over celestial shoutbow. This settler shout warrior won’t die by non-full zerker like dd cele ele or cele engi. It will result in that none can kill each other (I haven’t tested with cele engi, but for dd ele, for sure. settler shout and dd cele ele cannot kill each other)

But again, dueling isn’t everything in 5vs5 pvp arena, and thr purpose the build is designed for is not dueling. The purpose the build is designed for are supporting allies effectively and have great survivality to endure pressure to actually survive and return back to each team fight that occurs around you.

To rekt those ele and engi, I would say go stance warrior and practice lot though, probably GS/Hammer.

Anyways, I hope this helps!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

hmmm thanks for sharing!

imma try this out in hotjoin tonight around 9 hours later.

Hope this helps

Cygnus.6903:

It looks decent. I wonder if it functions in any way better then an elementalist though.

Thank you for commenting
I hope it helps and contribute to shout warrior!

Best regards,

BurrTheKing.8571:

The problem with this build is that it has gone from a mixture of support and damage to pure support. If you take a more damaging ammy like Celestial/Cleric/Crusader your damage increases, but your healing becomes pathetic. If you take an ammy like Settlers as you do, you become basically all support but your support is still so low it’s hardly useful.

Compare your build to what a MediGuard can now offer (Focus Mastery and Retaliatory Subconscious can be swapped).

This build gives AoE Aegis, when that Aegis breaks it damages your enemies AND gives yourself and Allies Retaliation. This build also brings AoE condi cleansing, Stability, and other boons. It does all this while providing very good damage.

In my opinion this kind of build brings more to the table than Shouts Wars do now. Yes, the AoE condi removal and buffs it provides aren’t bad, but the healing nerf and the Warhorn nerf have hit this build so hard that I see no real reason to use it now. Even in WvW I see Wars becoming obsolete now.

Hello, BurrTheKing.8571!!
Thank you very much for reasonable advice
I am very appreciated.

I think medi guardian cannot heal allies, while shout warrior can actually heal allies and I think this is the main point why we run shout warrior. It is just like that zerker warrior goes with berserker amulet, supportive warrior goes with settler or cleric amulet

About damaging you pointed out with following amulets : Celestial/Cleric/Crusader and settler, here is my damaging order : Celestial > Settler > Crusader > Cleric (when the weapon is hybrid like sword and longbow)

First of all, um, sword-warhorn / longbow weapon set is hybrid weapon set. And yes, you are right and i agree with you in a point that celestial actually does the better damage than settler. More specifically, celestial does a bit less condition damage than settler but does better in direct damage : which means it slightly better than settler in damage. To get better survivality since the damage output is increased across the game and the fact that previous celestial shoutbow warrior cannot survive from dd cele ele when the fight goes long and long unless shout war doesn’t run away, I had to lose celestial but equip settler instead : however, I do think that the mixed damage from celestial you were talking about, isn’t enough damage to be able to actually kill a dd cele ele. This is a important point. I found it is kind of “pointless” since even hybrid celestial shoutbow warrior with dodge attack trait doesn’t actually have enough damage to kill dd cele ele. Therefore, I rather selected settler over celestial since celestial shoutbow warrior cannot endure pressure from pressure level of only dd cele ele and also do not have enough damage to kill dd cele either. Settler shout warrior won’t be able to kill dd cele ele just like celestial shoutbow, but it will not die by dd cele ele while cele shoutbow will be dead by dd cele ele if it doesn’t step back from the capping point. This is why we chosen settler over celestial. And also, as you saw on-kill sigils, it actually increase your condition level that is boosted from its great survivality. At 25 stacks of its on-kill sigil, you will have a bit higher damage output than celestial shout warrior had. It still have a mixture of “better support” and “similar damage” to pure support.

Again, your comment was really helpful and gave us great vision and other possibilities to be aware of. I will look more closely on your comment about meditation guardian and find if I can get any idea from it.

I am really appreciated and you opinion will be used to find out more idea that would upgrade this build as well. Thank you very much again

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

It doesn’t really matter if the builds’ intention is not to do 1v1s because YOU HAVE to 1v1 in a PvP match.If you can’t handle 1v1s your team rotations are just more complicated.
So If you aren’t playing a dps class and an engi / ele pushs on your home node you should defend it but you’re right since this build is completly crap for 1v1 against engis/eles you can’t 1v1 those classes and have to stay in the teamfights.
Problem is you are unsuitable for 1v1s because every ele will do it better.
Further, you are also unsuitable in teamfights because every bunker guard owing to his tankyness and rezz / support opportunities in this burst meta will do it better.

The only role atm a warrior can fit with is a dps-roamer as dmg warrior with rampage.
A lot of top warriors in EU already have tried shoutbow-warrior and noticed that it’s bad after the patch. There is a reason why not a single esl team is playing with a warrior who is not a dps warrior with rampage.

And a switch from celestial to settler won’t change anything.
Shoutbow is dead, deal with it.

I used to play a lot of shoutbow. Using settle is an interesting option. Celestial used to be so good that Brawler (Ele, Engie, Warrior) pushed bunker out of the picture for a long time, but with the recent nerf Shoutbow is only a shadow of itself and Soldier Rifle Engie, even though it’s a decent build can’t compete on the same level as the old Cele Rifle Engie.

That pretty much leave us with only the Elementalist as brawler. With Warior, Mesmer and Thief as pure burst build, this seem to leave some opening for a possible return of Bunker build. On that particular role that shout build could compete against Bunker guardian.

Anyway comparing that build to cele ele make no sense. You can’t really compare a brawler build to a bunker build.

dominik.9721:

It doesn’t really matter if the builds’ intention is not to do 1v1s because YOU HAVE to 1v1 in a PvP match.If you can’t handle 1v1s your team rotations are just more complicated.
So If you aren’t playing a dps class and an engi / ele pushs on your home node you should defend it but you’re right since this build is completly crap for 1v1 against engis/eles you can’t 1v1 those classes and have to stay in the teamfights.
Problem is you are unsuitable for 1v1s because every ele will do it better.
Further, you are also unsuitable in teamfights because every bunker guard owing to his tankyness and rezz / support opportunities in this burst meta will do it better.

The only role atm a warrior can fit with is a dps-roamer as dmg warrior with rampage.
A lot of top warriors in EU already have tried shoutbow-warrior and noticed that it’s bad after the patch. There is a reason why not a single esl team is playing with a warrior who is not a dps warrior with rampage.

And a switch from celestial to settler won’t change anything.
Shoutbow is dead, deal with it.

Ah, thank you very much for the detailed info!

But I just can’t give up and lose shout since I have been working on shout builds since I started PvP haha. I just love to shout :p

However, I will consider your information valuably as well to upgrade shout build if I come up with any further new idea.

Again, I am very appreciated for your kind info and I will look forward to the esl you mentioned.

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

clerics w ham mace/shield is much more cool kid. nobody can hack your stunlock.

Thaddeus.4891:

I used to play a lot of shoutbow. Using settle is an interesting option. Celestial used to be so good that Brawler (Ele, Engie, Warrior) pushed bunker out of the picture for a long time, but with the recent nerf Shoutbow is only a shadow of itself and Soldier Rifle Engie, even though it’s a decent build can’t compete on the same level as the old Cele Rifle Engie.

That pretty much leave us with only the Elementalist as brawler. With Warior, Mesmer and Thief as pure burst build, this seem to leave some opening for a possible return of Bunker build. On that particular role that shout build could compete against Bunker guardian.

Anyway comparing that build to cele ele make no sense. You can’t really compare a brawler build to a bunker build.

Hi, Thaddeus.4891.

and YES! you know very exactly!! I am very appreciated actually T.T

I mentioned on the top of this content that the build is designed to be “mobile condi bunker”. This is bunker build. More precisely, it is offensive bunker warrior build.

I am actually tired of comparing this build to celestial ele or whatever haha since this shout bunker build can endure their pain level. They won’t kill us nor we can kill them.

I also have more than 300 rounds experience in spvp as bunker guardian before.
So I probably can say it.

Guardian Bunker, they are defensive bunker that grants defensive buffs (mostly aegis, stability, protection) and their weapon skills (staff, mace, shield) has healing skills.

Warrior Bunker, they are offensive bunker that grants offensive buffs (might, fury) and their weapon only has offensive skills only except warhorn’s weakness.

About healing amount how much they can heal up their ally, Guardian bunker does better than shout warrior about 10000 hp more in 96 sec base averagely.

However, there is pros and cons in each bunker style.
1. Guardian bunker lacks in mobility than Shout warrior. He could lose a capture point before he can actually get to capture point before it got capped.

2. However, guardian bunker is better than shout warrior in bunkering a already captured point. (this is real)

3. Guardian bunker is good at rezzing only one guy each than shout warrior, while shout war would rez 2~4 people all at once.

There are always pros and cons

At this point, I guess that which bunker will be used is determined by a team. If its team want offensive bunker style, they might hire settler shout warrior. If they want a a defensive bunker that is really good at protecting already capped point tightly, they would hire guardian bunker.

To use which profession depends on team comp I guess

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

choovanski.5462:

clerics w ham mace/shield is much more cool kid. nobody can hack your stunlock.

Hi choovanski.5462!

I will definitely try that weapon set. and I will try to upgrade this build if I feel that weapon set is any better.

Best regards,

The Korean Gamer

In the end though, for a bunker, bunkering is far more important than mobility (compare to brawling wich mobility is as important if not more).

And there is another point against the warrior. The new burst capability of Mesmer/Thief/Warrior make block/invuln superior than healing. Against good team, I don’t know how a shout warrior will be able to sustain the burst wihtout depleting his heals. While a guardian will be able to block it all with 1 skill. Especially since engineer ain’t as popular as before with their nasty magnet to interrupt the guardian’s shelter.

Thaddeus.4891:

In the end though, for a bunker, bunkering is far more important than mobility (compare to brawling wich mobility is as important if not more).

And there is another point against the warrior. The new burst capability of Mesmer/Thief/Warrior make block/invuln superior than healing. Against good team, I don’t know how a shout warrior will be able to sustain the burst wihtout depleting his heals. While a guardian will be able to block it all with 1 skill. Especially since engineer ain’t as popular as before with their nasty magnet to interrupt the guardian’s shelter.

What guardian block skill that you meant above?

Guardian heal, focus 5 and aegis. Blocks to negate bursts in this meta are much more important than a big amount of heal. Not to mention that a bunkerguard has a huge access to stability which is also essentiell to avoid big bursts.

Like dominik said.

Shelter, Retreat, Virtue of Courage, Focus 5, Protector’s Strike. You also have a lot of source of Aegis from trait : When you get to 25% hp, when you rez someone, when you block. You also have Focus 4 as a blind, Renewed focus as a invulnerability.

As a bunker guardian you also have good amount of protection, retaliation, Vigor, Stability and break stun.

Shout Warrior on the other end have good amount of vigor but not protection nor retaliation and have limited stability/break stun. They have better condition removal and more hp to survive burst, but have limited amount of block. It will be easier to play, but less efficient.

dominik.9721:

Guardian heal, focus 5 and aegis. Blocks to negate bursts in this meta are much more important than a big amount of heal. Not to mention that a bunkerguard has a huge access to stability which is also essentiell to avoid big bursts.

Thx!

Thaddeus.4891:

Like dominik said.

Shelter, Retreat, Virtue of Courage, Focus 5, Protector’s Strike. You also have a lot of source of Aegis from trait : When you get to 25% hp, when you rez someone, when you block. You also have Focus 4 as a blind, Renewed focus as a invulnerability.

As a bunker guardian you also have good amount of protection, retaliation, Vigor, Stability and break stun.

Shout Warrior on the other end have good amount of vigor but not protection nor retaliation and have limited stability/break stun. They have better condition removal and more hp to survive burst, but have limited amount of block. It will be easier to play, but less efficient.

Hi, and ok!

I understand what people says here and mostly it is about that the build lacks in capability as a bunker. Thus, I changed its role to “Team Fighter” since the build isn’t as good as bunker guardian in terms of bunkering a capped point.

Personally I categorizes build as following cases : Roamer (good at 1vs1), Bunker (Super Tanky), Team Fighter (Build that is good at fight consisting of more than 2 people)

So I think it is better to put the build into Team Fighter category. If fact, the build has less bunking & Support ability than guardian bunker, but Shout King has a lot more damage than bunker guardian since guardian bunker does almost no damage. So I think this is the build for team fight, not a bunker. It is also obviously not a roamer build that is supposed to be good 1vs1 build that kills and cap fast, which is a job of zerker. But it is tanky condi warrior that takes a veryyyy long time to kill or sometimes make endless fight against some jobs (e.g. DD cele ele). So it is also not a roamer build.

Therefore, I guess Team Fighter best fits into the build.

The only way the build can be bunker build at guardian level is putting same cleric amulet into this build, and also sigils of water and renewal, and change weapon set to probably mace-shield/sword-warhorn stuffs. something like that, as well as sigils of life.

Thank you very much for helping me to find out its proper job title!!

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

Hi, this build was developed around March/April 2013 i believe, btw this is the older brother of the Mercy Goddess and was used during the tournament where a team is consisted of only 1 profession per team, ex: warrior team vs mesmer team, during that time I was looking for a warrior build that is an all arounder, but mainly support, I got tired with warriors relying too much on the greatsword brute build which relies on rooting then hundred blades combo, my brother Mercy during that time was was a greatsword warrior build, so to test my build I asked to duel him, he got overpowered by that build, because condition damage during that time was OP, i don’t know if it’s still OP in the current meta, as I’ve been inactive for a long time, I was glad he was able to use and evolve the shout build, and I was happy because players like you enjoyed this build and was able to improve to be able to compete in the current meta.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/SOAC-Revenge-Tourney-Great-Work/first#post2028286 – I used it around this time.

Gantz.5481:

Hi, this build was developed around March/April 2013 i believe, btw this is the older brother of the Mercy Goddess and was used during the tournament where a team is consisted of only 1 profession per team, ex: warrior team vs mesmer team, during that time I was looking for a warrior build that is an all arounder, but mainly support, I got tired with warriors relying too much on the greatsword brute build which relies on rooting then hundred blades combo, my brother Mercy during that time was was a greatsword warrior build, so to test my build I asked to duel him, he got overpowered by that build, because condition damage during that time was OP, i don’t know if it’s still OP in the current meta, as I’ve been inactive for a long time, I was glad he was able to use and evolve the shout build, and I was happy because players like you enjoyed this build and was able to improve to be able to compete in the current meta.

Hello Gantz.5481!

I have investigated your proofs and address if it is correct to prove your words and yes, it seems you have valid reason with proof that proves your words.

So, yeah, Welcome back

It seems like you have been not playing this game for a while so I will explain what happened so far.

I started this game 2013 of september and started sPvP around november of that year. At that time, hambow was meta so I was looking for a build that would replace that hambow meta. So I made this build and hit top end of leaderboard. At the same time, I firstly met The Mercy Goddess in SoloQ. He was also at the top end of the leaderboard and used very similar build to mine. So I talked with him and found that he was faster. I have to acknowledge the fact as fact anyway lol then We become online game friend.

Anyway, me and Mercy have worked a lot to make it useable build and hit top end of the leaderboard as well. Several month later, some1 who is also top warrior (I believe) in the leaderboard spreaded altered version of this build, called celestial shoutbow, and that altered version become meta. And this altered version had been used until latest patch by many people, which took almost an year as a meta I guess. Of course, I did advertising real form before that celestial meta release, but every people just ignored : I think they just like to follow famous people.

I am now very happy that now celestial shoutbow has gone since damage output across the game is too high and celestial shoutbow doesn’t do really a thing. Thus, we are now able to proudly introduce the original form of real shoutbow, Shout King.

Since you are also co-inventor of this build as well, I hope you will use this build and somehow distribute it to people actively =)

We, Me and Mercy, will not follow a fashion and trend, currently GS/Hammer plus Rampage I believe. Rather we will be staying using and upgrading Shout Warrior Build

How shout will be changed is actually depending on Arenanet. I hope they would not completely ruin shout anymore.

The most sad thing to see now, for me, is that people are migrating from shout war to stance gs/hammer stuffs just to follow a fashion and trend stuffs since patch. haha. Just a month before the latest patch, 90% of wars in spvp were shout warrior. But now I just hardly see, maybe 1~5%? It really demonstrates how powerful current fashion affects on its society and community. lol

Best Regards,
The Korean Gamer

well every class has its own FOTM, currently running my 2 year old ranger melee build as well and it rekts a lot need to tweak it more to meet today’s standards, haha it seems that I am in need of more pvp experience to be competitive again, yeah I heard the story from my brother regarding the warrior who went shout build after facing the both of you in spvp, well I am just glad, the build is still in used and it is improving, it may not be the FOTM, but it will always be a formidable build in competitive pvp. I also tested a lot of variations to early warrior spvp builds, but the shout build is where I felt most comfortable and enjoyable playing the warrior profession.

Gantz.5481:

well every class has its own FOTM, currently running my 2 year old ranger melee build as well and it rekts a lot need to tweak it more to meet today’s standards, haha it seems that I am in need of more pvp experience to be competitive again, yeah I heard the story from my brother regarding the warrior who went shout build after facing the both of you in spvp, well I am just glad, the build is still in used and it is improving, it may not be the FOTM, but it will always be a formidable build in competitive pvp. I also tested a lot of variations to early warrior spvp builds, but the shout build is where I felt most comfortable and enjoyable playing the warrior profession.

oh, you were real older brother of Mercy in real life? Lol I didn’t notice it, I am sorry. =)

If so nice to meet you!
I may ask Mercy in fb later

The Build has been updated at July/31th/2015. Check original post to check difference!

Hope you guys come back to Shout Warrior since Rampage got nerfed!

still ele or bunkerguard > shoutwarrior

I wouldn’t take “To the Limit!” even if it wasn’t bugged unless it had a 1/4th-second cast. Good players spam hard-CC on you when you’re getting focused.

Anyway, here’s how I play the build.

Burning Arrows is farm more valuable than Shrug It Off. Without it, you don’t add enough pressure to contribute to focusing targets. I really wish there was an amulet for Power/Condition Damage/Healing Power with 1000/1000/1000 attribute-distribution.

Velimere.7685:

I wouldn’t take “To the Limit!” even if it wasn’t bugged unless it had a 1/4th-second cast. Good players spam hard-CC on you when you’re getting focused.

Anyway, here’s how I play the build.

Burning Arrows is farm more valuable than Shrug It Off. Without it, you don’t add enough pressure to contribute to focusing targets. I really wish there was an amulet for Power/Condition Damage/Healing Power with 1000/1000/1000 attribute-distribution.

You don’t have enough pressure because you run tactics and defense.
Defense trait line is really disposable in this build, and you get much more from an arm trait line.

chibbi.3706:

Velimere.7685:

I wouldn’t take “To the Limit!” even if it wasn’t bugged unless it had a 1/4th-second cast. Good players spam hard-CC on you when you’re getting focused.

Anyway, here’s how I play the build.

Burning Arrows is farm more valuable than Shrug It Off. Without it, you don’t add enough pressure to contribute to focusing targets. I really wish there was an amulet for Power/Condition Damage/Healing Power with 1000/1000/1000 attribute-distribution.

You don’t have enough pressure because you run tactics and defense.
Defense trait line is really disposable in this build, and you get much more from an arm trait line.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.

Velimere.7685:

chibbi.3706:

Velimere.7685:

I wouldn’t take “To the Limit!” even if it wasn’t bugged unless it had a 1/4th-second cast. Good players spam hard-CC on you when you’re getting focused.

Anyway, here’s how I play the build.

Burning Arrows is farm more valuable than Shrug It Off. Without it, you don’t add enough pressure to contribute to focusing targets. I really wish there was an amulet for Power/Condition Damage/Healing Power with 1000/1000/1000 attribute-distribution.

You don’t have enough pressure because you run tactics and defense.
Defense trait line is really disposable in this build, and you get much more from an arm trait line.

I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said.

For this problem, I would maintain neutrality.
Actually, I thought about having Longbow trait instead Shrug it Off of before release.
But there is like pros and cons as well.

If you take Longbow Trait, you would be a bit better at dueling, but it works in wide area but not small capping point.

Since I take Settler which means I go for Support condi bunker warrior, I would need to swap frequently to immob enemy using flurry to let teammates kill fast. Thus, I have like no time to just sit down and fire normal attack of longbow to apply burning.

And what I focused on is supporting. I would rather give 2000 heal to all our allies. -.0; and the build also focus on survivality to make use of on-kill sigil. So I selected Shrug it off over Longbow Trait.

But what you also said is true. I would have took if it were about dueling and lose on-kill sigil as well just like your build.

So I am kinda maintaining neutrality for this problem.
Nice suggestion! Thank you very much.

Hi.

What is updated :
1. The new berserker version of GreatAxe and its play videos has been updated. Build is fully confirmed by Radioactive Crysis (Top Warrior NA).

2. Banner Shout build has been updated. And play video of Banner Shout and its description has been updated.

3. ShoutBow’s description is updated.

Many people now claims after expansion that “Warrior is dead”. But you will have a lot less problem if you use proper meta builds introduced above.

This meta builds will be introduced monthly, or be re-introduced when there is any new warrior working build at almost meta level.

See top post to check them out!

Thus, see you again a month later!

Warrior is dead unless you have 1-2 others helping you on point.

HatSimulator.9362:

Warrior is dead unless you have 1-2 others helping you on point.

Actually that remains same for other classes too. 1vs2 in these days is really hard, either die or just run away or 1vs1 each will make sense. 1vs2 was only possible there were not very skilled players like 1.5~2 years ago.

Shout builds still works, but less effective than before due to other classes got buffed a lot.

ShoutBow works somehow like inferior version of druid now (it doesn’t mean that it is un-useable. It works but just less effective than druid in terms of support heal)

Banner shout can 1vs1 any people and kill almost any people who doesn’t have a perma stability (break stun is fine becuz i can lockdown again. stability is problem). What it only cannot kill is sustaining classes like druid or dd cele ele. (they cannot kill me also) But I feel this also become inferior as compared to pre-Hot expansion due to many other classes like i said, they got buffed too much : now, either it takes so long time to kill, or they fight very well against this build evenly with their new build. There was almost no one who can fight as same level as this build Except sustaining classes before HoT expansion. So, now Banner shout is also less effective as compared to before HoT expansion.

All I can say is that stated builds above are currently SOMEHOW working build, but will not that much as effective as before.

You are now probably seeing many people who are on making new berserker build like torch, mace or whatever. You will also see that they will not gonna work that well at the end.

Because, to condi/hybrid like berserker skills offers, you definitely need sustaining skill like shout. Because, in tpvp meta fight, condition takes a more time to damage well than direct dmg build like greataxe, that is why you need to have sustaining trait like shout if you want to go condi or hybrid (necro basically has this, so called life force). And this is actually very high reason why ShoutBow rockandrolled all over the world before. But combining shout with berserker now is also not possible because, shout warrior relies on survivality : having tactics, defense, discipline is a mandatory to have, otherwise shout warrior cannot sustain.

To solve this problem, only fast hand should be base line. But i don’t think anet would do that becuz that will make warrior could be brokenly OP.

So the build I recommend for pvp, is just Banner shout or ShoutBow. If shoutbow doesn’t work, try banner shout (From my perspective Banner Shout generally works better than ShoutBow unless enemy has a bunch of stabilities. Reversely, shoutbow will work better against enemy build that has tons of stabilities, for example, berserker warrior with Eternal Champion trait). If both 2 doesn’t work, that is end of warrior and need buff.

Zerker warrior is out of question and don’t even need to be asked for its performance. And this is what every people claims here to anet to buff war as you see

Thanks for the builds! They’ve been very useful. Two questions:

1. What kind of gear do you use for the GreatAxe, Banner Shout/ShoutBow builds?

2. Do you think a ShoutBow build would work with the Berserker specialization replacing one of the Defense/Tactics/Discipline lines?

Something like this, replacing Tactics with Berserker:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSVgp0Did5AkFXDIA8eabtzWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

numark.3620:

Thanks for the builds! They’ve been very useful. Two questions:

1. What kind of gear do you use for the GreatAxe, Banner Shout/ShoutBow builds?

2. Do you think a ShoutBow build would work with the Berserker specialization replacing one of the Defense/Tactics/Discipline lines?

Something like this, replacing Tactics with Berserker:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSVgp0Did5AkFXDIA8eabtzWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

The current warrior meta builds are Carrion Frostfire Reaper, Hammer Revenant, and Dragon Hunter.

Not even joking. Don’t play warrior. It’s a garbage class and actively hurts whatever team it’s playing for.

numark.3620:

Thanks for the builds! They’ve been very useful. Two questions:

1. What kind of gear do you use for the GreatAxe, Banner Shout/ShoutBow builds?

2. Do you think a ShoutBow build would work with the Berserker specialization replacing one of the Defense/Tactics/Discipline lines?

Something like this, replacing Tactics with Berserker:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSVgp0Did5AkFXDIA8eabtzWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

Hi.

Whatever build you use above, you will not get decent winrate as it was before the HoT expansion since other classes got buffed too much.

For example, Banner Shout was strongest warrior meta with its original crusder ammy across the entire game before HoT that it just doesn’t lose to any jobs of any classes in 1v1 and kill at the end, or 100% sustain was guaranteed if I couldn’t be able to kill. But now, it get rekt if you run crusader amulet with it, so I changed it to Cleric amulet. Thus, it will not basically be able to kill as good as it was before.

Warrior is in weakest position right now, all I can say is that only Cleric Banner Shout will somehow be able to sustain from all of other buffed classes at almost 90% probability.

Thus, among above builds:
1. Cleric Banner Shout – somehow useable
2. ShoutBow – somehow useable, but you will sometimes get rekt more frequently than using Banner Shout in 1v1 situation.
3. GreatAxe + greatrifle – un-useable

To anwer your question,
1. Build is posted in its main thread at top. Check google presentation to find its builds.

2. Nope. I tested all of them, but they all don’t work. Because ShoutBow relies on Sustain/survivality. If you lose any of those trait and put berserker instead, that means its main machenism that how shoutbow works is broken. It just have no sustain nor have powerful damage to kill fast (primal burst from betserker mode doesn’t have that powerful damage to kill very fast with settler ammy)

However, if you really want to merge shoutbow with berserker trait somehow, then i would suggest replacing defense trait with betserker trait, since fast hand and shout is mandatory for shoutbow build. You can watch berserker shoutbow in my twitch link below. Be sure that normal shoutbow works better than berserker shoutbow.

My last recommendation is that, just don’t play warrior for now if it is possible. Warrior now need just very strong buff and also I am not going to advertise above builds unless warrior get somehow buffed in the future. Warrior is almost un-playable in high-tier meta tpvp due to tons of random blocks, random evading attacks, random slow, random CC, random conversion from dmg to heal, random dodge, random invisible traps, random blinds, lacking in damage and etc. They are the real factors that make warrior almost unplayble right now.

I rather want to recommend playing one of followings if you can : druid, rev, Dragon Hunter. They were strongest from my feeling since fought a lot against them.

Hope this helps

online.1278:

numark.3620:

Thanks for the builds! They’ve been very useful. Two questions:

1. What kind of gear do you use for the GreatAxe, Banner Shout/ShoutBow builds?

2. Do you think a ShoutBow build would work with the Berserker specialization replacing one of the Defense/Tactics/Discipline lines?

Something like this, replacing Tactics with Berserker:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSVgp0Did5AkFXDIA8eabtzWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

Hi.

Whatever build you use above, you will not get decent winrate as it was before the HoT expansion since other classes got buffed too much.

For example, Banner Shout was strongest warrior meta with its original crusder ammy across the entire game before HoT that it just doesn’t lose to any jobs of any classes in 1v1 and kill at the end, or 100% sustain was guaranteed if I couldn’t be able to kill. But now, it get rekt if you run crusader amulet with it, so I changed it to Cleric amulet. Thus, it will not basically be able to kill as good as it was before.

Warrior is in weakest position right now, all I can say is that only Cleric Banner Shout will somehow be able to sustain from all of other buffed classes at almost 90% probability.

Thus, among above builds:
1. Cleric Banner Shout – somehow useable
2. ShoutBow – somehow useable, but you will sometimes get rekt more frequently than using Banner Shout in 1v1 situation.
3. GreatAxe + greatrifle – un-useable

To anwer your question,
1. Build is posted in its main thread at top. Check google presentation to find its builds.

2. Nope. I tested all of them, but they all don’t work. Because ShoutBow relies on Sustain/survivality. If you lose any of those trait and put berserker instead, that means its main machenism that how shoutbow works is broken. It just have no sustain nor have powerful damage to kill fast (primal burst from betserker mode doesn’t have that powerful damage to kill very fast with settler ammy)

However, if you really want to merge shoutbow with berserker trait somehow, then i would suggest replacing defense trait with betserker trait, since fast hand and shout is mandatory for shoutbow build. You can watch berserker shoutbow in my twitch link below. Be sure that normal shoutbow works better than berserker shoutbow.

My last recommendation is that, just don’t play warrior for now if it is possible. Warrior now need just very strong buff and also I am not going to advertise above builds unless warrior get somehow buffed in the future. Warrior is almost un-playable in high-tier meta tpvp due to tons of random blocks, random evading attacks, random slow, random CC, random conversion from dmg to heal, random dodge, random invisible traps, random blinds, lacking in damage and etc. They are the real factors that make warrior almost unplayble right now.

I rather want to recommend playing one of followings if you can : druid, rev, Dragon Hunter. They were strongest from my feeling since fought a lot against them.

Hope this helps

Hehheh right on! But what kind of gear is used right now? If you did want to PvP or WvW on the Warrior. Knight/Soldier/Berserker etc?

-peace

numark.3620:

online.1278:

numark.3620:

Thanks for the builds! They’ve been very useful. Two questions:

1. What kind of gear do you use for the GreatAxe, Banner Shout/ShoutBow builds?

2. Do you think a ShoutBow build would work with the Berserker specialization replacing one of the Defense/Tactics/Discipline lines?

Something like this, replacing Tactics with Berserker:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQNBMhNakpDq8wWPwzDoDxSVgp0Did5AkFXDIA8eabtzWA-TpRHwAQLDQ4BAE4QAwb/BAHBABnAAA

Hi.

Whatever build you use above, you will not get decent winrate as it was before the HoT expansion since other classes got buffed too much.

My last recommendation is that, just don’t play warrior for now if it is possible. Warrior now need just very strong buff and also I am not going to advertise above builds unless warrior get somehow buffed in the future. Warrior is almost un-playable in high-tier meta tpvp due to tons of random blocks, random evading attacks, random slow, random CC, random conversion from dmg to heal, random dodge, random invisible traps, random blinds, lacking in damage and etc. They are the real factors that make warrior almost unplayble right now.

I rather want to recommend playing one of followings if you can : druid, rev, Dragon Hunter. They were strongest from my feeling since fought a lot against them.

Hope this helps

Hehheh right on! But what kind of gear is used right now? If you did want to PvP or WvW on the Warrior. Knight/Soldier/Berserker etc?

-peace

After expension, I do not recommend playing warrior for both pvp and wvw until anet buff it. -_-;

You will see some people will say To you that “ohh sword torch mace berserker build works! Full burn build wow!!!”, Or, “ohh gunflame works! moveable killshot OP!” , But they are all false. (they works normally against normal people, but will not work in high tier meta tpvp against decent people)

Thus i basically don’t even recommend any warrior build, including what you ask for, which was about gear.

There is nothing i can recommend about warrior, simply becuz it is just weak. And I cannot recommend you playing weakest class as experienced users, right?

Relax guys, you can still +1