Guild Wars 2

Evis is looking weak these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rbzknvi6_Q

flaming fury can not hit any moving target..

lighter.2708:

flaming fury can not hit any moving target..

Both hits can be landed under a stun though, and would be idealy.

Flaming Flury pierces right? Though it can also be reflected? The fact it can be used at range is a big + despite the target moving.

It’s Axes berserk skill that’s disappointing XD

Flawed reasoning…Eviscerate is 300 Range…If you are in 300 range Flaming fury will hit any moving target better than evicerate. Also people can dodge evicerate. If people dodge Flaming fury at 300 range they still will be hit with at least or more than half of the fireballs.

Ya I realized axes berserk skill is a little disappointing but eviscerate only hits for like a few hundred more damage honestly Ive tested it again and again. Thats why I used the 10% damage trait with the taunt.

Flaming fury can be reflected yes. But ideally if the target is stunned its not be reflected. It also destroys projectles giving you defense to rangers etc.

1. Condi cleanse exists.

2. You should’ve used berserker amulet if u use viper (both full dmg multipliers)

3. Why the hell would you run Eviscerate with berserker traitline o.O

4. You cannot claim sword is better based on the burst with also is a condition that can be cleansed. Pin down can about 17k potential bleeding, unless u make everything for that 1 pin down then its higher ofc. If u were to run this, it doesn’t mean if u hit that 1 pin down, they’re guaranteed -17k from that 1 attack. Maybe 3k? Axe has alot of pressure from auto, compared to sword, and its evis cast is MUCH shorter than sword f1, time for other skills, I could do an swap arcing and whirl in the same time, and that can’t be cleansed either (ofc protection is the other version but u know what I mean)
Both are weak because they belong to warrior, but I’d 100% say evis is better, WITHOUT berserker traitline ofc lol…

I think he wrote bad, he should have named like decapitate vs flaming Fury, then this topic would have sense.

Obino… Arcing slice evis can also be blinded. Flaming Fury cannot be fully blinded.

I made this simple to compare how little damage axe does compared to flaming fury. I can make a video of vanilla warrior using evis over the berserker version. But the results will not be much differnt. You get a 17% Damage increase from berserker traits. And 15% from Strength. Both effect axe. Normal Evis only hits a few hundred more dammage higher. So I think that the conclusion of a second test really would help the opposing argument that much.

The biggest difference is that 17% Damage increase from berserk trait line is isn’t adrinaline dependant. So you got 17% even at level 1 adrinaline. Which also effects things like AXE auto. For GS… Any one that thinks arcing slice is better than arc devider has no idea what they are talking about.

for the argument that condis can be cleared etc. Thats true but that also is assuming that the CD of the condi clear is as short as the CD of flaming fury which is like 6 seconds. I don’t think so.

Evis has sucked for a long time. I’ve long complained about axe on warrior necro and ranger

Warlord.9074:

Obino… Arcing slice evis can also be blinded. Flaming Fury cannot be fully blinded.

I made this simple to compare how little damage axe does compared to flaming fury. I can make a video of vanilla warrior using evis over the berserker version. But the results will not be much differnt. You get a 17% Damage increase from berserker traits. And 15% from Strength. Both effect axe. Normal Evis only hits a few hundred more dammage higher. So I think that the conclusion of a second test really would help the opposing argument that much.

The biggest difference is that 17% Damage increase from berserk trait line is isn’t adrinaline dependant. So you got 17% even at level 1 adrinaline. Which also effects things like AXE auto. For GS… Any one that thinks arcing slice is better than arc devider has no idea what they are talking about.

for the argument that condis can be cleared etc. Thats true but that also is assuming that the CD of the condi clear is as short as the CD of flaming fury which is like 6 seconds. I don’t think so.

Flaming fury can miss easily, and has high reaction time since its cast (if u even need to react lol) If you use normal warrior.

Strength: 30% dmg (40% for gs) Berserker: +17% + some ferocity.

The biggest difference is that the 17% dmg IS DEPENDANT on having full adrenaline fist, and thusly berserker stance, and that with a cooldown. For gs… Anyone who think 40 % dmg vs +17%(fero) the 17%(fero) is better is has no idea what they are talking about. Btw arcing divider with berserker traitline does about the same (give or take 50 dmg, because not counting 10% dmg from stick and move) And applies fury (10% average dmg, give or take based on ferocity lvl) And yes disadvantage with lower aoe range – But its supposed to be better, wich isn’t even significant vs strength line anyways, and after berserker mode u’ve got a much weaker than normal with strength that is constant.

And using viper gs sword shield, would also mean lower sustain than marauder and an immediatly weaker damage potential in gs, no ferocity, and lower crit chance. So yes arcing, as well as any and all other gs skills would do MUCH more dmg, with a sane build.

Cd of the condi clear is as short as the cd of flaming fury wich is 6 seconds?? Lmao what? Is this some pokemon battle 1 person waits 6 seconds until he can use in this case flaming fury and then the other person on his “turn” waits until he can use condi clear on 6 seconds and it cycles like that until he doesn’t have “sufficient condi clear and will die after 10 min” and cant counterpreassure and u will hit every flaming fury and u will never die, or have to pull back and u never go out of berserker stance? And btw, yes, people have sufficient condi clear for that, some not, and while this situation would never occur, doesn’t mean that that 1 flaming fury that might hit around 3 balls (prolly around 1-2) will insta kill them, “finally”.

I think I need to buy HoT

I think a bigger issue is that gunflame/killshot does more damage than evis :/

Obindo.6802:

3. Why the hell would you run Eviscerate with berserker traitline o.O

You should know very well that it definitely works. Some of your guildies run it a lot >.>
I personally go for full crit dmg over power. I ditch the hoelbrak runes because you can’t rly stack might on berserker and I grab runes of rage instead. Gives me 240% crit dmg in berserker mode along with a perma 5% dmg bonus since I have 100% fury uptime easily.

The dmg per hit when you don’t crit is lower than if you took strength but you’re forgetting that you can use primal bursts every 2.5 seconds without any problem (You can use 3 primal bursts vs 1 regular burst in the same time frame, 3 decapitates>>>1 eviscerate in terms of damage).

And really, Smash Brawler is so much better than Savage Instinct that I still don’t understand why some people take Savage Instinct. I’m completely off topic but berserker gs/axe+shield is definitely far from bad. It has more reliable condi cleanse if you take cleansing ire (mainly because of arc divider) and much better lock potential with headbutt->break self stun with outrage->berserker mode, etc as well as a lot more quickness uptime than vanilla warrior. Arc Divider is also AMAZING compared to arcing slice, yes the dmg is lower but the range is huge and its usable way more often.

If you’re dueling other warriors I’m not sure which one would be better but I’d put my bet on vanilla greataxe because you rely on fewer stronger hits rather than just going in and attacking which is what normally happens in SPvP.

In your other post you claim that the ~17% dmg boost from berserker is dependent on having full adrenaline first (that is instant if you land headbutt, and its very important to land it, if you miss you just screwed up severely and start at a big disadvantage). But that’s also the case with the 30% dmg bonus from strength, you need the 30 adrenaline to use a burst skill and get berserker’s power. :S

Otherwise I completely agree with the fact that the build choice is whacky. Viper amulet is really terrible unless you have good hybrid pressure. Condi pressure on GS is non-existant, neither is it on axe, so the build heavily favors the sword’s condi dmg output while neutering a lot of the axe’s dmg.

I don’t understand why people would say it’s only 17% damage in berserker mode when if you take blood reaction like I did in my video it’s an aditional 17% Crit damage as well.

You people are not even doing math you are just using what I wrote to try and argue. 17% crit dam damage is easily a 10% DPS boost which makes the difference between Berserker and strength nearly negligable.

Obino if you are such an expert why didn’t you mention that. I guess you just want to be right without doing any maths while trying to appear you do maths. And you don’t have to be out of endurance to reach those numbers and your don’t have to sit on adrinaline for it to effect basic attacks.

Obino the truth is you are only right if you are full adrin, sit on the adrin then dodge to be out of endurance. THen and only then with Axe auto hit as hard on vanila warrior as it does on zerk mode. Also Zerk Mode has an atack speed increase.

Obino you are just not right I am sorry. You don’t even mention attack speed increase. I think you really don’t know about what you are arguing over.

I don’t understand why people would say it’s only 17% damage in berserker mode when if you take blood reaction like I did in my video it’s an aditional 17% Crit damage as well.

You people are not even doing math you are just using what I wrote to try and argue. 17% crit dam damage is easily a 10% DPS boost which makes the difference between Berserker and strength nearly negligable.

Obino if you are such an expert why didn’t you mention that. I guess you just want to be right without doing any maths while trying to appear you do maths. And you don’t have to be out of endurance to reach those numbers and your don’t have to sit on adrinaline for it to effect basic attacks.

Obino the truth is you are only right if you are full adrin, sit on the adrin then dodge to be out of endurance. THen and only then with Axe auto hit as hard on vanila warrior as it does on zerk mode. Also Zerk Mode has an atack speed increase.

Obino you are just not right I am sorry. You don’t even mention attack speed increase. I think you really don’t know about what you are arguing over.

The DPS under berserker using AXE is way higher than Vamila warrior if both builds are using the same amulet.

Rekt.5360:

Obindo.6802:

3. Why the hell would you run Eviscerate with berserker traitline o.O

You should know very well that it definitely works. Some of your guildies run it a lot >.>
I personally go for full crit dmg over power. I ditch the hoelbrak runes because you can’t rly stack might on berserker and I grab runes of rage instead. Gives me 240% crit dmg in berserker mode along with a perma 5% dmg bonus since I have 100% fury uptime easily.

The dmg per hit when you don’t crit is lower than if you took strength but you’re forgetting that you can use primal bursts every 2.5 seconds without any problem (You can use 3 primal bursts vs 1 regular burst in the same time frame, 3 decapitates>>>1 eviscerate in terms of damage).

And really, Smash Brawler is so much better than Savage Instinct that I still don’t understand why some people take Savage Instinct. I’m completely off topic but berserker gs/axe+shield is definitely far from bad. It has more reliable condi cleanse if you take cleansing ire (mainly because of arc divider) and much better lock potential with headbutt->break self stun with outrage->berserker mode, etc as well as a lot more quickness uptime than vanilla warrior. Arc Divider is also AMAZING compared to arcing slice, yes the dmg is lower but the range is huge and its usable way more often.

If you’re dueling other warriors I’m not sure which one would be better but I’d put my bet on vanilla greataxe because you rely on fewer stronger hits rather than just going in and attacking which is what normally happens in SPvP.

In your other post you claim that the ~17% dmg boost from berserker is dependent on having full adrenaline first (that is instant if you land headbutt, and its very important to land it, if you miss you just screwed up severely and start at a big disadvantage). But that’s also the case with the 30% dmg bonus from strength, you need the 30 adrenaline to use a burst skill and get berserker’s power. :S

Otherwise I completely agree with the fact that the build choice is whacky. Viper amulet is really terrible unless you have good hybrid pressure. Condi pressure on GS is non-existant, neither is it on axe, so the build heavily favors the sword’s condi dmg output while neutering a lot of the axe’s dmg.

If u’re talking about Vaanss, his last “video” is him testing it, not saying its better, and he makes builds and such for the video, for example, he runs force on axe/rifle when he runs evis respective killshot, because people like big numbers, not because its optimal, same with running berserker trait line.

Berserker’s power doesn’t require 30 adren, meanwhile u don’t have 30 adren, you may have +10 or +15% from that trait alone, AND its not on a cooldown, like berserk mode is, so u may have berserker’s power, +20% or not, active constantly meanwhile berserk mode has an uptime, about half uptime if u have perma 30 adren and instantly use berserker mode again.

Obindo.6802:

Rekt.5360:

Obindo.6802:

3. Why the hell would you run Eviscerate with berserker traitline o.O

You should know very well that it definitely works. Some of your guildies run it a lot >.>
I personally go for full crit dmg over power. I ditch the hoelbrak runes because you can’t rly stack might on berserker and I grab runes of rage instead. Gives me 240% crit dmg in berserker mode along with a perma 5% dmg bonus since I have 100% fury uptime easily..

The dmg per hit when you don’t crit is lower than if you took strength but you’re forgetting that you can use primal bursts every 2.5 seconds without any problem (You can use 3 primal bursts vs 1 regular burst in the same time frame, 3 decapitates>>>1 eviscerate in terms of damage).

And really, Smash Brawler is so much better than Savage Instinct that I still don’t understand why some people take Savage Instinct. I’m completely off topic but berserker gs/axe+shield is definitely far from bad. It has more reliable condi cleanse if you take cleansing ire (mainly because of arc divider) and much better lock potential with headbutt->break self stun with outrage->berserker mode, etc as well as a lot more quickness uptime than vanilla warrior. Arc Divider is also AMAZING compared to arcing slice, yes the dmg is lower but the range is huge and its usable way more often.

If you’re dueling other warriors I’m not sure which one would be better but I’d put my bet on vanilla greataxe because you rely on fewer stronger hits rather than just going in and attacking which is what normally happens in SPvP.

In your other post you claim that the ~17% dmg boost from berserker is dependent on having full adrenaline first (that is instant if you land headbutt, and its very important to land it, if you miss you just screwed up severely and start at a big disadvantage). But that’s also the case with the 30% dmg bonus from strength, you need the 30 adrenaline to use a burst skill and get berserker’s power. :S

Otherwise I completely agree with the fact that the build choice is whacky. Viper amulet is really terrible unless you have good hybrid pressure. Condi pressure on GS is non-existant, neither is it on axe, so the build heavily favors the sword’s condi dmg output while neutering a lot of the axe’s dmg.

If u’re talking about Vaanss, his last “video” is him testing it, not saying its better, and he makes builds and such for the video, for example, he runs force on axe/rifle when he runs evis respective killshot, because people like big numbers, not because its optimal, same with running berserker trait line.

Berserker’s power doesn’t require 30 adren, on your/meanwhile u don’t have 30 adren, you may have +10 or +15% from that trait alone, AND its not on a cooldown, like berserk mode is, so u may have berserker’s power, +20% or not, active constantly meanwhile berserk mode has an uptime, about half uptime if u have perma 30 adren and instantly use berserker mode again.

Well considering how Vaanss hasn’t made a single vanilla warrior video since HoT hit and he’s always running gunflame/greataxe berserker builds I’ll take that as a sign :P As for being optimal, if berserker gunflame wasn’t the optimal rifle build he and others wouldn’t be running it, truth is, it’s wayyyyyy stronger than vanilla killshot.

Not to mention that if you’re just looking at eviscerate alone it only benefits from berserker’s power if you manage to land it. It’s much easier to evade 1 eviscerate in a 7 second time frame than it is to evade 3 decapitates.

Other attacks will strength will be stronger if you don’t crit compared to berserker mode. But You have lower crit damage, not to mention you also have GS and arc divider is a HELL OF A LOT stronger than arcing slice and that’s a big factor seeing how often you can use it, just look at the difference in coefficients: Arcling Slice. And now Arc Divider. Berserker mode gives you 17% flat dmg and ~17% crit dmg that’s 34% dmg increase on arc divider. Arcling Slice gets 40% with forceful GS, but the coefficient difference is so big that this 6% dmg multiplier difference is insignificant. Arc Divider wins by a long shot. So depending on how much you use it DPS in berserker greataxe is far from being inferior to normal GS/axe+shield.

Obindo.6802:

Rekt.5360:

Obindo.6802:

3. Why the hell would you run Eviscerate with berserker traitline o.O

You should know very well that it definitely works. Some of your guildies run it a lot >.>
I personally go for full crit dmg over power. I ditch the hoelbrak runes because you can’t rly stack might on berserker and I grab runes of rage instead. Gives me 240% crit dmg in berserker mode along with a perma 5% dmg bonus since I have 100% fury uptime easily..

The dmg per hit when you don’t crit is lower than if you took strength but you’re forgetting that you can use primal bursts every 2.5 seconds without any problem (You can use 3 primal bursts vs 1 regular burst in the same time frame, 3 decapitates>>>1 eviscerate in terms of damage).

And really, Smash Brawler is so much better than Savage Instinct that I still don’t understand why some people take Savage Instinct. I’m completely off topic but berserker gs/axe+shield is definitely far from bad. It has more reliable condi cleanse if you take cleansing ire (mainly because of arc divider) and much better lock potential with headbutt->break self stun with outrage->berserker mode, etc as well as a lot more quickness uptime than vanilla warrior. Arc Divider is also AMAZING compared to arcing slice, yes the dmg is lower but the range is huge and its usable way more often.

If you’re dueling other warriors I’m not sure which one would be better but I’d put my bet on vanilla greataxe because you rely on fewer stronger hits rather than just going in and attacking which is what normally happens in SPvP.

In your other post you claim that the ~17% dmg boost from berserker is dependent on having full adrenaline first (that is instant if you land headbutt, and its very important to land it, if you miss you just screwed up severely and start at a big disadvantage). But that’s also the case with the 30% dmg bonus from strength, you need the 30 adrenaline to use a burst skill and get berserker’s power. :S

Otherwise I completely agree with the fact that the build choice is whacky. Viper amulet is really terrible unless you have good hybrid pressure. Condi pressure on GS is non-existant, neither is it on axe, so the build heavily favors the sword’s condi dmg output while neutering a lot of the axe’s dmg.

If u’re talking about Vaanss, his last “video” is him testing it, not saying its better, and he makes builds and such for the video, for example, he runs force on axe/rifle when he runs evis respective killshot, because people like big numbers, not because its optimal, same with running berserker trait line.

Berserker’s power doesn’t require 30 adren, on your/meanwhile u don’t have 30 adren, you may have +10 or +15% from that trait alone, AND its not on a cooldown, like berserk mode is, so u may have berserker’s power, +20% or not, active constantly meanwhile berserk mode has an uptime, about half uptime if u have perma 30 adren and instantly use berserker mode again.

Well considering how Vaanss hasn’t made a single vanilla warrior video since HoT hit and he’s always running gunflame/greataxe berserker builds I’ll take that as a sign :P As for being optimal, if berserker gunflame wasn’t the optimal rifle build he and others wouldn’t be running it, truth is, it’s wayyyyyy stronger than vanilla killshot.

Not to mention that if you’re just looking at eviscerate alone it only benefits from berserker’s power if you manage to land it. It’s much easier to evade 1 eviscerate in a 7 second time frame than it is to evade 3 decapitates.

Other attacks will strength will be stronger if you don’t crit compared to berserker mode. But You have lower crit damage, not to mention you also have GS and arc divider is a HELL OF A LOT stronger than arcing slice and that’s a big factor seeing how often you can use it, just look at the difference in coefficients: Arcling Slice. And now Arc Divider. Berserker mode gives you 17% flat dmg and ~17% crit dmg that’s 34% dmg increase on arc divider. Arcling Slice gets 40% with forceful GS, but the coefficient difference is so big that this 6% dmg multiplier difference is insignificant. Arc Divider wins by a long shot. So depending on how much you use it DPS in berserker greataxe is far from being inferior to normal GS/axe+shield.

(17% flat dmg and ~17% crit dmg that’s 34% dmg increase)

No its 25,5% dmg increase :-)

Warlord.9074:

I don’t understand why people would say it’s only 17% damage in berserker mode when if you take blood reaction like I did in my video it’s an aditional 17% Crit damage as well.

You people are not even doing math you are just using what I wrote to try and argue. 17% crit dam damage is easily a 10% DPS boost which makes the difference between Berserker and strength nearly negligable.

Obino if you are such an expert why didn’t you mention that. I guess you just want to be right without doing any maths while trying to appear you do maths. And you don’t have to be out of endurance to reach those numbers and your don’t have to sit on adrinaline for it to effect basic attacks.

Obino the truth is you are only right if you are full adrin, sit on the adrin then dodge to be out of endurance. THen and only then with Axe auto hit as hard on vanila warrior as it does on zerk mode. Also Zerk Mode has an atack speed increase.

Obino you are just not right I am sorry. You don’t even mention attack speed increase. I think you really don’t know about what you are arguing over.

The DPS under berserker using AXE is way higher than Vamila warrior if both builds are using the same amulet.

If you’re such an xX MLG F0rum H3r0 Xx you might want yo read the what u respond to before u respond to them I’ll quote myself for my: “+ some ferocity”, wich btw is halved when you’re not in berserk mode, wich will be most of the time.

Stick and move doesn’t require u to dodge out of endurance, only not full wich will be pretty much all the time.

Omg u didn’t mention building momentum! or X! or Y! Omg, u’re nothing but a fraud!~

Warlord, the truth is you are only right if you are full on adrin, or u can’t use berserk mode Then and only then will axe auto hit almost as hard on berserker warrior as on vanilla warrior, wich btw is far more consistent, and no maximum 50% uptime given unrealistic optimal situation.

nicknamenick.2437:

(17% flat dmg and ~17% crit dmg that’s 34% dmg increase)

No its 25,5% dmg increase :-)

So the effects are multiplicative instead of additive and calculated at the end after the base dmg is calculated? Thx 4 pointing it out if that’s the case, didn’t know. I thought all damage multipliers were additive and calculated at the end including crit dmg.

Rekt.5360:

Obindo.6802:

Rekt.5360:

Obindo.6802:

3. Why the hell would you run Eviscerate with berserker traitline o.O

You should know very well that it definitely works. Some of your guildies run it a lot >.>
I personally go for full crit dmg over power. I ditch the hoelbrak runes because you can’t rly stack might on berserker and I grab runes of rage instead. Gives me 240% crit dmg in berserker mode along with a perma 5% dmg bonus since I have 100% fury uptime easily..

The dmg per hit when you don’t crit is lower than if you took strength but you’re forgetting that you can use primal bursts every 2.5 seconds without any problem (You can use 3 primal bursts vs 1 regular burst in the same time frame, 3 decapitates>>>1 eviscerate in terms of damage).

And really, Smash Brawler is so much better than Savage Instinct that I still don’t understand why some people take Savage Instinct. I’m completely off topic but berserker gs/axe+shield is definitely far from bad. It has more reliable condi cleanse if you take cleansing ire (mainly because of arc divider) and much better lock potential with headbutt->break self stun with outrage->berserker mode, etc as well as a lot more quickness uptime than vanilla warrior. Arc Divider is also AMAZING compared to arcing slice, yes the dmg is lower but the range is huge and its usable way more often.

If you’re dueling other warriors I’m not sure which one would be better but I’d put my bet on vanilla greataxe because you rely on fewer stronger hits rather than just going in and attacking which is what normally happens in SPvP.

In your other post you claim that the ~17% dmg boost from berserker is dependent on having full adrenaline first (that is instant if you land headbutt, and its very important to land it, if you miss you just screwed up severely and start at a big disadvantage). But that’s also the case with the 30% dmg bonus from strength, you need the 30 adrenaline to use a burst skill and get berserker’s power. :S

Otherwise I completely agree with the fact that the build choice is whacky. Viper amulet is really terrible unless you have good hybrid pressure. Condi pressure on GS is non-existant, neither is it on axe, so the build heavily favors the sword’s condi dmg output while neutering a lot of the axe’s dmg.

If u’re talking about Vaanss, his last “video” is him testing it, not saying its better, and he makes builds and such for the video, for example, he runs force on axe/rifle when he runs evis respective killshot, because people like big numbers, not because its optimal, same with running berserker trait line.

Berserker’s power doesn’t require 30 adren, on your/meanwhile u don’t have 30 adren, you may have +10 or +15% from that trait alone, AND its not on a cooldown, like berserk mode is, so u may have berserker’s power, +20% or not, active constantly meanwhile berserk mode has an uptime, about half uptime if u have perma 30 adren and instantly use berserker mode again.

Well considering how Vaanss hasn’t made a single vanilla warrior video since HoT hit and he’s always running gunflame/greataxe berserker builds I’ll take that as a sign :P As for being optimal, if berserker gunflame wasn’t the optimal rifle build he and others wouldn’t be running it, truth is, it’s wayyyyyy stronger than vanilla killshot.

Not to mention that if you’re just looking at eviscerate alone it only benefits from berserker’s power if you manage to land it. It’s much easier to evade 1 eviscerate in a 7 second time frame than it is to evade 3 decapitates.

Other attacks will strength will be stronger if you don’t crit compared to berserker mode. But You have lower crit damage, not to mention you also have GS and arc divider is a HELL OF A LOT stronger than arcing slice and that’s a big factor seeing how often you can use it, just look at the difference in coefficients: Arcling Slice. And now Arc Divider. Berserker mode gives you 17% flat dmg and ~17% crit dmg that’s 34% dmg increase on arc divider. Arcling Slice gets 40% with forceful GS, but the coefficient difference is so big that this 6% dmg multiplier difference is insignificant. Arc Divider wins by a long shot. So depending on how much you use it DPS in berserker greataxe is far from being inferior to normal GS/axe+shield.

Who said killshot > gunflame?

If u’re gonna be camping 1 weapons set constantly, well, then do your thang lol.

17% crit damage is not 17% more dmg. ore like 26, the damage will be about the same, but yes prolly a little higher with arcing divider, but its supposed to better too, and btw gives no fury wich is about 10% more dmg give or take. And then u will return to much lower multipliers and arcing will do far less damage, for more than 50% of the time, where the other attacks are also much less damage.

(17% crit damage is not 17% more dmg. ore like 26)
no its 8,5% more dmg

10% more dmg, increases the base dmg (stick and move)
10% more crit dmg, only increase the crit

Lets say you do 1000 base dmg, and your crit standard is 150% crit dmg (base)
(with only 10% more dmg)1000 × 1,1 (10%dmg) = 1100 × 1,5 (150% crit) = 1650
(with only 10% more crit dmg) 1000 × 1 (0% more dmg) = 1000 × 1,6 (160% crit) = 1600

1650/1000= 1.65
1600/1000= 1.6

so now we can say:
165% of 1000= 1650
160% of 1000= 1600

So in the end the 10% crit dmg does 5% less dmg compared to 10% more base dmg.

Crit dmg is always 50% less value then a base dmg increase

Obindo.6802:

Who said killshot > gunflame?

If u’re gonna be camping 1 weapons set constantly, well, then do your thang lol.

17% crit damage is not 17% more dmg. ore like 26, the damage will be about the same, but yes prolly a little higher with arcing divider, but its supposed to better too, and btw gives no fury wich is about 10% more dmg give or take. And then u will return to much lower multipliers and arcing will do far less damage, for more than 50% of the time, where the other attacks are also much less damage.

Well you don’t have to camp a weapon xD but given the low CD its usable really often. Everything else you said is true thought.

nicknamenick.2437:

(17% crit damage is not 17% more dmg. ore like 26)
no its 8,5% more dmg

10% more dmg, increases the base dmg (stick and move)
10% more crit dmg, only increase the crit

Lets say you do 1000 base dmg, and your crit standard is 150% crit dmg (base)
(with only 10% more dmg)1000 × 1,1 (10%dmg) = 1100 × 1,5 (150% crit) = 1650
(with only 10% more crit dmg) 1000 × 1 (0% more dmg) = 1000 × 1,6 (160% crit) = 1600

1650/1000= 1.65
1600/1000= 1.6

so now we can say:
165% of 1000= 1650
160% of 1000= 1600

So in the end the 10% crit dmg does 5% less dmg compared to 10% more base dmg.

Crit dmg is always 50% less value then a base dmg increase

So crit damage is applied at the end of all other multipliers and the effect is multiplicative and not additive with the other multipliers. You could’ve just said that xD I can do the math myself.

So if you say Strength VS Berserker

Strength
10% more base dmg on GS trait
10% more base dmg on Stick and move trait
20% more base dmg after the burst hits trait
= 40% more total dmg.. simple

Berserker
7% more base dmg from Always angry
14% more crit dmg from Blood reaction(only in berserkmode ofc)
10% more dmg from Bloody roar
= 24% more total dmg

they are all disappointment in my eyes

nicknamenick.2437:

So if you say Strength VS Berserker

Strength
10% more base dmg on GS trait
10% more base dmg on Stick and move trait
20% more base dmg after the burst hits trait
= 40% more total dmg.. simple

Berserker
7% more base dmg from Always angry
14% more crit dmg from Blood reaction(only in berserkmode ofc)
10% more dmg from Bloody roar
= 24% more total dmg

Isn’t it more like 28% more damage?
assume 1000 base, with 17% more dmg from berserker mode (always angry+bloody roar) and another 14% crit dmg from blood reaction.
1000*1.17*1.64=1918.8
1000*1.5=1500
Difference is 418.8.
418.8/1500 (difference divided by base dmg on crit)=0.2792.

What are you calculating your damage increase relative to? Are you assuming a specific crit chance for which the crits will happen or no?

It’s 45.2% bonus damage with the Strength line, and 32.2% with the Berserker line assuming a Berserker amulet and Fury (when in Berserk mode; otherwise 24.9%).

The above is based solely on the bonuses listed by nicknamenick.

As per the wiki on damage calculation, the bonuses get multiplied together,

“Damage multipliers combine in a multiplicative fashion rather than additive; i.e. they stack on top of each other instead of being calculated separately. For example, the Superior Sigil of Force (5%), Superior Sigil of the Night (10%), a 10% trait, a 20% trait and the (6) bonus of the Superior Rune of the Scholar (10%) combine for a final damage bonus of 1.05 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.2 * 1.1 ? 1.677 or approximately 67.7%.”

Note: Blood Reaction doesn’t provide 14% damage unless it provided a bonus 210 Ferocity at 100% crit chance (I just used the quoted figure for simplicity’s sake). Further, that ferocity would be added up with the rest of the ferocity to calculate a single crit damage multiplier, rather than multiplied into base crit damage.

@Rekt and @Choppy,

You guys are right! i made 1 mistake.. i didnt calculated them together but separately.. sorry my mistake, so together it does get allot higher!
kitten it :-) sorry guys

LOL guys listen. No one cares about non crits and base damage.. So don’t mention them. Also no one cares about sitting on adrenaline so don’t mention it. The only thing that matters is crits. ALso choppy no one is going to sit on adrinaline so on base warrior even having 42% dmg if u sit on it is kinda meaningless. If you use a single burst skill you are doing less damage than berserker.

This is your guys argument. Well Strength is better than berserker because. I am going to build up my 30 adrin sit on it and my non crit dammage with be better. This is a bad argument. No one cares about that.

My argument is. I am going to get adrenaline and enter berserk mode and I am going to flat out do more damage than you and its the truth.

I thought the berserker spec is trash thing was over by now. Regardless of what you think about it, it is an upgrade to base warrior in pretty much every way at this point.

Warlord.9074:

LOL guys listen. No one cares about non crits and base damage.. So don’t mention them. Also no one cares about sitting on adrenaline so don’t mention it. The only thing that matters is crits. ALso choppy no one is going to sit on adrinaline so on base warrior even having 42% dmg if u sit on it is kinda meaningless. If you use a single burst skill you are doing less damage than berserker.

This is your guys argument. Well Strength is better than berserker because. I am going to build up my 30 adrin sit on it and my non crit dammage with be better. This is a bad argument. No one cares about that.

My argument is. I am going to get adrenaline and enter berserk mode and I am going to flat out do more damage than you and its the truth.

I thought the berserker spec is trash thing was over by now. Regardless of what you think about it, it is an upgrade to base warrior in pretty much every way at this point.

You’re talking about sitting on 30 adren, funny thing thats exactly what berserker requires lmao, you don’t need 30 adren with strength, 20 works just as fine and thusly is more consistent and constant. If you think 30 adren is an impossibility without waiting 20 sec without using any burst ability u’re just delusional. You go on and on berserker does more damage… Just test it plx… If u’re unable to I’ll make a video just for u darling. Strength evis does more damage WHEN IT CRITS! wich btw when it doesn’t, blood reaction does not come into effect at all, whereas strength doesn’t suffer (multipliers).

Sigh… this is why I seldom go to forums, people let their ego get in the way of any type of logic and instead prompts any and all stupid arguments cuz they can’t realize anything that don’t make them godlike and right in every way.

@Warlord
I didn’t assume sitting on adren at all. I just corrected some numbers.

I don’t have a dog in this race at all, frankly. Hell, choose both Strength and Berserker if you can make a go of it.

Ya obino pretty please make a test for me.

Amulet Berserker Rune scholar

Full signets
Axe/Shield Force and Accuracy

Traits Vanilla.
Str
2-2-1
Arms
2-2-2
Dis
2-2-3

Traits Berserker spec.
Arms
2-2-2
Dis
2-2-3
Berserk
1-1-1

Start with full adrenaline both tests with the indestructible golem full health.

Rotation Vanilla double dodge before test make sure that reckless does not hit golem.
#2-F1-Auto Attack press 2 everytime its up and press F1 everytime adrin gets full.

Rotation Berserker
#2-F2-F1-Auto Attack. Press 2 and F1 everytime its up. You should be able to get off 4 burst skills. SOmtimes the golem was dead before the 4th recharged on my tests.

See which build kills Indestructible golem faster Thanks

I actually already did this test so I know what happens but I want you to do it since you offered.

i will save you some time though. On average I killed the golem 5 seconds faster on berserker spec even when I double dodged twice on vanila warrior before starting the time trial. (pop all signets except for fury before each test to have 100% crit chance.)

Vanilla warrior with Str is not more DPS than berserker withought strength on AXE DPS.

On average Evicerate hit about 1k more dammage on vanilla warrior. However Max Bursts on vanilla I can get is 2…Max I got on Berserker was 4 bursts. Also note on average tripple chop hit for more on Berserker spec It is safe to say on average all of the auto attack hits hit for more on berserker spec than they did on Vanilla.

This was because the DPS increases on berserker are Flat. While the 20% increase on Vanilla is variable and auto attacks can only take full advantage if no burst skills are used.

All that said berserker spec has a 9 sec CD always angry will be perma active. I honestly do not think that 9 sec intervals is enough time for vanilla warrior to pull ahead of Berskerspec in an extended DPS test of longer than 1 minute.

Maybe you can get 1 burst skill off on vanilla while the zerker spec is on CD. It doesn’t matter. Zerker spec can still burst 2 times as often as vanilla can and can still burst while not in zerker spec and easily use a signet to get right back into it.

Just to make sure: this is a pvp thread not a thread about pve-dps-calculations , right?
I mean seriously what are you guys actually arguing about?
Eviscerate is a burst skill and the direct damage is caused after 1 second – flaming fury isn’t a burst skills, causes conditions and the damage isn’t instant. This isn’t PvE where you can compare skills by checking their dmg output. Same to the core/berserker -comparison

Warlord.9074:

Ya obino pretty please make a test for me.

Amulet Berserker Rune scholar

Full signets
Axe/Shield Force and Accuracy

Traits Vanilla.
Str
2-2-1
Arms
2-2-2
Dis
2-2-3

Traits Berserker spec.
Arms
2-2-2
Dis
2-2-3
Berserk
1-1-1

Start with full adrenaline both tests with the indestructible golem full health.

Rotation Vanilla double dodge before test make sure that reckless does not hit golem.
#2-F1-Auto Attack press 2 everytime its up and press F1 everytime adrin gets full.

Rotation Berserker
#2-F2-F1-Auto Attack. Press 2 and F1 everytime its up. You should be able to get off 4 burst skills. SOmtimes the golem was dead before the 4th recharged on my tests.

See which build kills Indestructible golem faster Thanks

I actually already did this test so I know what happens but I want you to do it since you offered.

i will save you some time though. On average I killed the golem 5 seconds faster on berserker spec even when I double dodged twice on vanila warrior before starting the time trial. (pop all signets except for fury before each test to have 100% crit chance.)

Vanilla warrior with Str is not more DPS than berserker withought strength on AXE DPS.

On average Evicerate hit about 1k more dammage on vanilla warrior. However Max Bursts on vanilla I can get is 2…Max I got on Berserker was 4 bursts. Also note on average tripple chop hit for more on Berserker spec It is safe to say on average all of the auto attack hits hit for more on berserker spec than they did on Vanilla.

This was because the DPS increases on berserker are Flat. While the 20% increase on Vanilla is variable and auto attacks can only take full advantage if no burst skills are used.

All that said berserker spec has a 9 sec CD always angry will be perma active. I honestly do not think that 9 sec intervals is enough time for vanilla warrior to pull ahead of Berskerspec in an extended DPS test of longer than 1 minute.

Maybe you can get 1 burst skill off on vanilla while the zerker spec is on CD. It doesn’t matter. Zerker spec can still burst 2 times as often as vanilla can and can still burst while not in zerker spec and easily use a signet to get right back into it.

I forgot to show build for strength evis, same stuff, except strength traitline instead of berserker traitline. Also, gave your berserker traitline headstart with axe throw

Since u went off-topic from flaming fury vs evis, it’s pretty obvious that its already settled Evis>flaming fury.
Glad this “BERSERKER WAY MORE DMG” off-topic bs is also settled

thats not even the test that I said to do and you use a GS which we arnt even discussing.
Also why would you wait for Berserker to expire and lose quickness before you even attack and you lost all of of your passive dammage as it expires before 100b.

It was a mistake to ask you to test anything. Your testing methodologies are not to my standards.

Warlord.9074:

thats not even the test that I said to do and you use a GS which we arnt even discussing.
Also why would you wait for Berserker to expire and lose quickness before you even attack and you lost all of of your passive dammage as it expires before 100b.

It was a mistake to ask you to test anything. Your testing methodologies are not to my standards.

I don’t care what you said I’d test, as u’ve proven yourself oblivious to the matter at hand. I did an actual test.

Why wouldn’t I use gs? its highly relevant, we’re talking about damage of evis build with berserker vs with strength, gs is much as part of it as axe, if u want to compare evis vs evis, then u have that there too.
Why would I wait for berserker to expire? well its simple, with Strength its dead in about 4 and a half seconds. Berserker is about 50% uptime. If berserker does more “DPS” than strength does as u said, then the 3 sec in berserker mode would be greater then the actual 50% as, since u say its stronger, would be a maximum of 1 and a half second out of berserker mode. So this means… Strength is more superior than shown on the video.

It was a mistake trying to get some sense into u in the first place, I knew from the moment u tried to teach Exy and seeing u play that it would be hopeless. Come back when u have something reasonable to say.

I tested it before just in case you didn’t follow instructions.
https://youtu.be/gj6mu5oXeEM

Warlord.9074:

I tested it before just in case you didn’t follow instructions.
https://youtu.be/gj6mu5oXeEM

Instructions? lmao, ok boss, just for your information, in your video, strength was 14:55 sec and berserker 16 sec XDDDD nice one. This despite you giving unrealistic situation that lasts briefly meanwhile strength is constant, pathetic. Inaccurate, delusional, and flawed in so many ways. The test doesn’t show real “dps”, only a brief burst mode, and neither did strength get to benefit from might uptime and – even stronger than axe – gs damage. And strength still did it faster despite u cheating your
“xX L3g1T 0P Pr000 T3sT Xx” this is sad on so many lvls

I cast signet of range before both tests they both had 5 might. Both tests were done with the exact same environments with nothing to skew one or the other. Same sigils same runs same amulet. Both tests were done at 100% crit chance. Unlike your test were a lucky crit or in lew of a crit can skew one test or the other.

My test was scientific and no I counter the begining and the end of the tests frame by frame in a video editor and rendered it in the same format it was recorded.

Berserker AXE if we are just speaking of axe and nothing else is much better than standard. If we are speaking in terms of the length of a 1v1, the berserker axe has the advantage here as well. Being less penalized for missing, having superior synergy with Cleansing Ire, and giving the player more burts. The only disadvantage it has is it does like 1/10 less dammage. However faster aspd and quickness favors all other axe strikes of berserker over standard..

Warlord.9074:

I cast signet of range before both tests they both had 5 might. Both tests were done with the exact same environments with nothing to skew one or the other. Same sigils same runs same amulet. Both tests were done at 100% crit chance. Unlike your test were a lucky crit or in lew of a crit can skew one test or the other.

My test was scientific and no I counter the begining and the end of the tests frame by frame in a video editor and rendered it in the same format it was recorded.

Berserker AXE if we are just speaking of axe and nothing else is much better than standard. If we are speaking in terms of the length of a 1v1, the berserker axe has the advantage here as well. Being less penalized for missing, having superior synergy with Cleansing Ire, and giving the player more burts. The only disadvantage it has is it does like 1/10 less dammage. However faster aspd and quickness favors all other axe strikes of berserker over standard..

So, you’re either trolling or u’ve some mental defect Right Your test for standard warrior was in berserker envireonment And strength still did more damage, and after berserker mode, strength does even more superior damage. I dunno how you can be so delusional. In terms of a 1v1 or any realistic situation strength wins here too. Superior damage, more endurance, lower cd on gs, more might wich leads to even more damage, wich u didn’t even include in your little troll test, and it doesn’t rely on brief windows where u’re easily kited waited out more than when u’re not, i.e loose some potential value, and doesn’t rely on full adrenaline.

U can let your ego get in the way of any kind of logic, and post more bs, making yourself the disservice of lying to yourself, up to you. You remind of the kids that as soon as they manage something, like get a kill in this game, their build is the best and they’re the best player and their genius is uncomparable when in reality they’re oblivious and trash

Your whole argument is based on you pic strength because you like GS. Were not talking about that. We are talking about 2 totally different subjects. And yes Flaming Fury does more damage than eviscerate. Regardless of cleanses and its ability to land.

Does it look like I have an F2 in that video nooo. My test using evicerate isn’t berserker spec. And it was still slower.

Let me try to break it down for you. In 15 seconds Normal warrior can use 2 bursts. Lests say they are evicerate. Lets say it does 9k Dammage. for 18k.
Berserker can use 4 bursts each one does 8k Dammage. For a total of 32k Dammage.

Obindo.6802:

Warlord.9074:

I cast signet of range before both tests they both had 5 might. Both tests were done with the exact same environments with nothing to skew one or the other. Same sigils same runs same amulet. Both tests were done at 100% crit chance. Unlike your test were a lucky crit or in lew of a crit can skew one test or the other.

My test was scientific and no I counter the begining and the end of the tests frame by frame in a video editor and rendered it in the same format it was recorded.

Berserker AXE if we are just speaking of axe and nothing else is much better than standard. If we are speaking in terms of the length of a 1v1, the berserker axe has the advantage here as well. Being less penalized for missing, having superior synergy with Cleansing Ire, and giving the player more burts. The only disadvantage it has is it does like 1/10 less dammage. However faster aspd and quickness favors all other axe strikes of berserker over standard..

So, you’re either trolling or u’ve some mental defect Right Your test for standard warrior was in berserker envireonment And strength still did more damage, and after berserker mode, strength does even more superior damage. I dunno how you can be so delusional. In terms of a 1v1 or any realistic situation strength wins here too. Superior damage, more endurance, lower cd on gs, more might wich leads to even more damage, wich u didn’t even include in your little troll test, and it doesn’t rely on brief windows where u’re easily kited waited out more than when u’re not, i.e loose some potential value, and doesn’t rely on full adrenaline.

U can let your ego get in the way of any kind of logic, and post more bs, making yourself the disservice of lying to yourself, up to you. You remind of the kids that as soon as they manage something, like get a kill in this game, their build is the best and they’re the best player and their genius is uncomparable when in reality they’re oblivious and trash

This is an interesting topic and discussion, and I’m sure you’re passionate about it, but can you relax? Saying someone has a mental defect and calling people names doesn’t add to your argument.

Warlord.9074:

Your whole argument is based on you pic strength because you like GS. Were not talking about that. We are talking about 2 totally different subjects. And yes Flaming Fury does more damage than eviscerate. Regardless of cleanses and its ability to land.

Does it look like I have an F2 in that video nooo. My test using evicerate isn’t berserker spec. And it was still slower.

Let me try to break it down for you. In 15 seconds Normal warrior can use 2 bursts. Lests say they are evicerate. Lets say it does 9k Dammage. for 18k.
Berserker can use 4 bursts each one does 8k Dammage. For a total of 32k Dammage.

Ok, so your entire playstyle is autoattacking with axe? ok… I think that explains the stupidity. We’ve already settled EVIS with strength does more than with berserker, and any realistic situation strength is more effective too. And btw flaming fury is inferior than evis, I thought we already settled that, mainly based on your off-topic bs about berserker > strength lmao. Evident to my video, strength > berserker my a long shot, and also based on your false test where u even tried cheating, strength still does more damage. At this point its hopeless trying to help you, your ego is to big.

All I know is final thrust is king. Of all time.

obino just give it a rest ok. This is not a playstyle discussion. You lost i won lets move on/.

What ever happened to:

“Play what works for you” ?

I run pretty much the same thing Vaanss did in his axe berserker vid (I use Dead or Alive over the ferocity trait, because I am bad)., and it works pretty acceptably.

I tried sword for a while but I just cannot seem to get Flaming Flurry to work out for me.

This is a property of me, and not of Decapitate/Flaming Flurry. Someone else might prefer sword by far, and that is ok too.

While there is value in looking at what is “objectively” better on paper that isn’t exactly the be-all and end-all of the quality of a skill in a game so variable as GW2.

Should Decapitate get a damage buff? Maybe.
Is it bad? I personally do not think so.

You know despite the verbal exchanges this thread has turned out to be quite productive so let me ask you guys some more questions. I’m personally more of a fan of strength war and want this do be about wvw rather than spvp. Defy pain or armored attack? Heightened focus or burst mastery? And lastly, strength runes vs durability vs defender runes; what do you guys think is best and why

Aurugal.6954:

You know despite the verbal exchanges this thread has turned out to be quite productive so let me ask you guys some more questions. I’m personally more of a fan of strength war and want this do be about wvw rather than spvp. Defy pain or armored attack? Heightened focus or burst mastery? And lastly, strength runes vs durability vs defender runes; what do you guys think is best and why

Depends on your build, gear choices, and what you think you’ll be doing.

I run a full zerk gs/s+sh roamer, so for me it’s entirely: Defy Pain, Heightened Focus, and I currently run Strength Runes (because I had them, and because I’m very damage oriented).

Defender Runes are very good for us but, for me as a roamer, not gaining the regen on ranged attack when using Shield Mastery is a deal breaker. I think the trade off damage-wise is too much. If you think you’ll be wading through lots of melee attacks or just need the sustain, Defender is a good option. I think running it with Rousing Resiliance and Outrage is pretty important for the overall sustain approach though.

Imo, Durability runes are inferior to Defender runes for sustain. They might be ok for a build aiming to be more support oriented, but there are probably better choices for that too.

If you run Knights gear and don’t have to worry too much about incoming bursts (e.g. you’re in larger group fights, staying on tag, etc), then Armored Attack may be a better choice over Defy Pain.

I’d personally only choose Burst Mastery over Heightened if Bursts skills were central to my build (i.e. Gunflame). That being said, now that you can’t get a quickened stomp, the case for Burst Mastery’s stronger than it was.

Choppy.4183:

Aurugal.6954:

You know despite the verbal exchanges this thread has turned out to be quite productive so let me ask you guys some more questions. I’m personally more of a fan of strength war and want this do be about wvw rather than spvp. Defy pain or armored attack? Heightened focus or burst mastery? And lastly, strength runes vs durability vs defender runes; what do you guys think is best and why

Depends on your build, gear choices, and what you think you’ll be doing.

I run a full zerk gs/s+sh roamer, so for me it’s entirely: Defy Pain, Heightened Focus, and I currently run Strength Runes (because I had them, and because I’m very damage oriented).

Defender Runes are very good for us but, for me as a roamer, not gaining the regen on ranged attack when using Shield Mastery is a deal breaker. I think the trade off damage-wise is too much. If you think you’ll be wading through lots of melee attacks or just need the sustain, Defender is a good option. I think running it with Rousing Resiliance and Outrage is pretty important for the overall sustain approach though.

Imo, Durability runes are inferior to Defender runes for sustain. They might be ok for a build aiming to be more support oriented, but there are probably better choices for that too.

If you run Knights gear and don’t have to worry too much about incoming bursts (e.g. you’re in larger group fights, staying on tag, etc), then Armored Attack may be a better choice over Defy Pain.

I’d personally only choose Burst Mastery over Heightened if Bursts skills were central to my build (i.e. Gunflame). That being said, now that you can’t get a quickened stomp, the case for Burst Mastery’s stronger than it was.

Hey thanks for your response ^^, I am currently running traditional full zerk and I don’t like defender as well because its too restricted to shield so i can’t swap to my hammer or rifle if i ever wanted to. The real choice for me was between dura and strength, imho the former is quite overtuned hence why it was removed in pvp but if you run strength disc def war as i do then you mostly get might and a bit of fury and quickness so it feels a bit more optimized in a way. I dont know which wins out in the end which is why i turn to you guys. For me, its a really close cut but i prefer solo roaming and dueling and i find that little bit of toughness from dura to be very invaluable plus that protection proc can be lovely.
The problem with me and defy pain is that I have that constant fear of being unaware of the proc since there isn’t a clear animation and so i fear that i override it with my own endure pain. I donno