Guild Wars 2

or protection. I’d like more diverse boon skills to complement the upcoming update

I would rather Guardian or Engineer have that ability to counter our class’s abilities.

Why do you want a stability shout when warriors already have essentially a total of 45 seconds of stability? (balanced stance x2, dolyak sig, rampage, stomp stability 1 sec) I doubt warrior’s will get more stability. I’m pretty sure vigorous shouts is getting a healing buff. Plus, warriors do have perma vigor access, though im not entirely sure it’s worth it. I only see vigor working with a boon-build+empowered… so theres that. Warrior’s don’t really have need for protection because they already have such a high health pool and really high defense/stability, etc. Seriously, roll guardian if you want good protection…but If warrior, i doubt you’d want to run Forge Runes just for 10sec protection on 60sec cd

Guardians have a shout for Protection/Regeneration and one for Stability as well. As of right now our main source of protection aside from groups is rune of earth/forge/grove/lyssa and sigil of luck. It is probably best kept that way. I wouldn’t mind to see us get some more torment condition though.

CMstorm.8679:

Why do you want a stability shout when warriors already have essentially a total of 45 seconds of stability? (balanced stance x2, dolyak sig, rampage, stomp stability 1 sec) I doubt warrior’s will get more stability. I’m pretty sure vigorous shouts is getting a healing buff. Plus, warriors do have perma vigor access, though im not entirely sure it’s worth it. I only see vigor working with a boon-build+empowered… so theres that. Warrior’s don’t really have need for protection because they already have such a high health pool and really high defense/stability, etc. Seriously, roll guardian if you want good protection…but If warrior, i doubt you’d want to run Forge Runes just for 10sec protection on 60sec cd

Because the rampage transform is bad and that elite has both a higher cooldown and weaker boons than rampage as one?

Player Character.9467:

CMstorm.8679:

Why do you want a stability shout when warriors already have essentially a total of 45 seconds of stability? (balanced stance x2, dolyak sig, rampage, stomp stability 1 sec) I doubt warrior’s will get more stability. I’m pretty sure vigorous shouts is getting a healing buff. Plus, warriors do have perma vigor access, though im not entirely sure it’s worth it. I only see vigor working with a boon-build+empowered… so theres that. Warrior’s don’t really have need for protection because they already have such a high health pool and really high defense/stability, etc. Seriously, roll guardian if you want good protection…but If warrior, i doubt you’d want to run Forge Runes just for 10sec protection on 60sec cd

Because the rampage transform is bad and that elite has both a higher cooldown and weaker boons than rampage as one?

Sure rampage might be bad cuz of a really high cd, but it has some crazy aoe and cc, not to mention that the vulnerability and daze in the chain attack is awesome. most warriors would most likely run signet of rage or battle standard. So would I at some points. But, Rampage is a pretty good cc elite overall.

I would actually like to see most of the shouts reworked a little.

• “For Great Justice” – 3 stacks of Might for 30 seconds, Retaliation for 5 seconds
• “On My Mark” – Fury and Swiftness for 15 seconds
• “Shake it Off” – Breaks stun, removes 1 condition, Stability for 3-5 seconds

OMM is a pretty weak shout, considering all the other sources of vulnerability on a short cooldown. I’d like to see it become an actual buff shout for team support. But I would also recommend moving the Fury component from FGJ to OMM, to make it worth it to carry both shouts.

And for SIO, I think a short duration stability would be nice, just so you can get some stability in a 3 shout build. They could reduce the duration on Dolyak or Balance Stance to compensate, if they are concerned about a perma-stability build.

Right now, you are pretty much required to run either Dolyak or Balanced Stance for stability, so any practical shout build can only run 2 shouts. Would be nice to see a 3 shout build become viable, the way Guardian shouts are…

CMstorm.8679:

Player Character.9467:

CMstorm.8679:

Why do you want a stability shout when warriors already have essentially a total of 45 seconds of stability? (balanced stance x2, dolyak sig, rampage, stomp stability 1 sec) I doubt warrior’s will get more stability. I’m pretty sure vigorous shouts is getting a healing buff. Plus, warriors do have perma vigor access, though im not entirely sure it’s worth it. I only see vigor working with a boon-build+empowered… so theres that. Warrior’s don’t really have need for protection because they already have such a high health pool and really high defense/stability, etc. Seriously, roll guardian if you want good protection…but If warrior, i doubt you’d want to run Forge Runes just for 10sec protection on 60sec cd

Because the rampage transform is bad and that elite has both a higher cooldown and weaker boons than rampage as one?

Sure rampage might be bad cuz of a really high cd, but it has some crazy aoe and cc, not to mention that the vulnerability and daze in the chain attack is awesome. most warriors would most likely run signet of rage or battle standard. So would I at some points. But, Rampage is a pretty good cc elite overall.

Rampage = I’m a big condi target, please epidemic me. I also can’t heal, can’t deal with soft cc, and have really bad attacks.

Now stability and what comes next? Stealth, aoeblind, clones/minions/pets?

What warriors have is enough. Every class has his own role, with his own advantages and disadvantages, if you want a shout that gives you stability, then play a guardian.

Is pretty funny how the “all in one” profession ask for more buff and powers…

The warrior is pretty op right now. In wvw is practically broken with the massive power/tanky/cc/immunities-blocks/mobility etc etc they have.

Stability on shout builds is kind of a problem. You either have to drop a shout for balanced stance which hurts the build overall or spec 30 into defense to get last stand, which as a passive trigger and thus naturally isnt very reliable. On the other hand its really the only downside to a shout condi bunker so i guess we will have to live with it. If id place it on a shout id place it on fear me – 5-10 seconds stability on trigger. As i use fear me to get rid of people rezzing while im stomping this would make a very nice skill to finish people and being on a 1 minute cooldown it still has its downsides.

I’d support the removal of rampage in favour of an elite stability shout. It’s why i don’t go with a shout build because i can’t run without stability and i hate rampage.

Mistro.3059:

Guardians have a shout for Protection/Regeneration and one for Stability as well. As of right now our main source of protection aside from groups is rune of earth/forge/grove/lyssa and sigil of luck. It is probably best kept that way. I wouldn’t mind to see us get some more torment condition though.

Guardians don’t have a shout for fury and might. You can’t have it all.

CMstorm.8679:

Why do you want a stability shout when warriors already have essentially a total of 45 seconds of stability? (balanced stance x2, dolyak sig, rampage, stomp stability 1 sec) I doubt warrior’s will get more stability. I’m pretty sure vigorous shouts is getting a healing buff. Plus, warriors do have perma vigor access, though im not entirely sure it’s worth it. I only see vigor working with a boon-build+empowered… so theres that. Warrior’s don’t really have need for protection because they already have such a high health pool and really high defense/stability, etc. Seriously, roll guardian if you want good protection…but If warrior, i doubt you’d want to run Forge Runes just for 10sec protection on 60sec cd

So he can take advantage of trait line buffs associated with the shout like reduced cool down, heals, condition removal without diluting your points on speccing into a stance or a signet. Makes sense. More choices.

I came up with an idea to address some of the problems.

New Master-Major Trait – Steadfast Commander – For each other ally affected by your shout, you gain 1 second of stability(5 second cooldown)

This gives shout builds access to a small amount of stability, but keeps a limit on it with a cooldown and a requirement of being near allies so it doesn’t eliminate dedicated stability skills.

It also would require a trait investment of 20 points into tactics so for the most part only support builds would take advantage of it.

its shame if some 1 have problem with warriors . try to play with def baner that give vit tugh + regen go shield mace and sowrd & warrhorn . + use PVT i mean all pvt weapon armor & accessories all of them pvt . use trait 30 def 30 tact 10 str . last stand shield masteri dogged march on deff point . quick breathing for the warrhorn that remuve con and give boons and the trait fir the banners this are on tactic . 10 point on str for the great forditud . this bild need allso melandru rune and the food bowls of lemongrass poultry soup . like this you will have -98% on chill criple imobil and -65% condition duration & -25% on stuns attks. and the stat are 32k hp armor 3.920 attk 3.500 . and you have like 1.2 k regen per 1.5 sec . try this and dont forget this game is not to play solo stay with your party and enjoy wvw dungeon what ever you like)

for me warriors are the best class in this game they can do allmost everithig depent on you how smart you are to find out what is the best for you

seraphita.9607:

its shame if some 1 have problem with warriors . try to play with def baner that give vit tugh + regen go shield mace and sowrd & warrhorn . + use PVT i mean all pvt weapon armor & accessories all of them pvt . use trait 30 def 30 tact 10 str . last stand shield masteri dogged march on deff point . quick breathing for the warrhorn that remuve con and give boons and the trait fir the banners this are on tactic . 10 point on str for the great forditud . this bild need allso melandru rune and the food bowls of lemongrass poultry soup . like this you will have -98% on chill criple imobil and -65% condition duration & -25% on stuns attks. and the stat are 32k hp armor 3.920 attk 3.500 . and you have like 1.2 k regen per 1.5 sec . try this and dont forget this game is not to play solo stay with your party and enjoy wvw dungeon what ever you like)

3500 attack no crits, congratulations, 90% of the world now out heals your dps. You can’t 1v1 full tank, wvw isn’t spvp where you camp on a spot and people can’t just walk away. All full bunkering does is buy time for enough enemies to kill you to show up while you can’t kill anything.

ofc i can kill and im not a spvp player i play like this all the time and is realy good + if you whant use the bild that i play if you dont fine by me but it work good realy

+ i play with a hammer to and depent on the fight i use mace-shield and banner with some change on trait like 0/0/30/20/20 . im more offencive . dogged march last stand spiked armor. emp-alli quck breathing. fokus vigor warrior spring. and i keep endure pain balance stance doliak signet on elite warrbanner to ress people this is the utilti that i use with hammer sowrd-warrhorn just try it and meaby you like it. and realy you can kill trust me coz i do

so cute <3 i played tank warrior too in the beginning, you can go toe to toe with most people you meet in wvw. though yes its not optimal against really good players, but for beginner its a solid build with lots of survivability which you need! seraphita maybe try axe? it has good damage – both your weapons arent really good for high damage – sword is condition weapon (and you have only power stat) so it does low damage, and mace hits very slow and hard to land the 3rd hit – with your lots of health and armor and good against condition you dont rely on the stun so much – axe is faster hitting and harder hitting aswell – will increase your damage for sure, i would take it instead of mace! also try putting a little more critical chance – on jewels in trinkets and rings you can get some critical damage and more precision and lose only little armor and health – its a good trade. should get 20-30% white critical chance so with fury boon you are at 50% – half of your swings will be critical.

its not an immortal bild like other people say but is realy good

i have an axe and is my beloved woeapon

Yaki.9563:

Mistro.3059:

Guardians have a shout for Protection/Regeneration and one for Stability as well. As of right now our main source of protection aside from groups is rune of earth/forge/grove/lyssa and sigil of luck. It is probably best kept that way. I wouldn’t mind to see us get some more torment condition though.

Guardians don’t have a shout for fury and might. You can’t have it all.

Sure they do, it’s called “Save Yourselves”.

I can understand keeping the separation of guardian/warrior shouts, one providing defensive shouts, the other offensive. But I wouldn’t necessarily consider stability a defensive boon. Fury and might are definitely offensive, while protection and regen are definitely defensive. Boons like swiftness and stability are more universal though.

As long as guardians can get all boons from SY, I don’t think a short duration stability is too much to ask.

you can easily get protection as a warrior, just get a warhorn and spec for the condition>boon trait. but you know, you’ll need to have a condition on you in the 1st place. :P