Greatsword attacks not very good for PVP

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Posted by: Eliteseraph.4970

Eliteseraph.4970

At least not on their own, anyway. Now, with a partner that can stun or immobilize regularly, the greatsword attacks become VERY good. I’d also like to point out that Greatsword is downright amazing in PvE, but even there it has some issues. I’ll elaborate a bit to explain the point I’m trying to make.

The auto attack is fine as it is. You can use it while moving and it does decent damage.

Whirlwind attack and Blade Trail are also fine as is. You choose the way you want to attack or throw, and they work with predictable results. Both are ‘skill shots’ if used correctly, and I like the added depth of them.

But both Hundred Blades and Rush have issues. Hundred blades is a VERY powerful attack, but in a PvP environment combining a channeled attack with it being cancelled if you move makes it VERY difficult to use effectively. Should a warrior have to use a utility slot for Bolas, just to make this attack useful, especially when Hundred Blades could potentially be activated every 6.4 seconds? Traits and utility slots should create powerful combos and synergy. not be required in order to make an attack actually useful once out of every 3 cooldowns.

Rush seems like it should be an ideal skill to use in the high-mobility environment of pvp. However, the problem is that it has a very hard time actually connecting with the attack after the charge. WoW had a similar issue for the longest time with their charge attacks. Something to do with latency and how the client/server code determines positioning.

What happens is that you activate Rush, and you do in fact charge towards your target. However, if the target is moving at all, by the time the animation for the attack activates, the spot you attack is NOT the spot where the target is, even against slowed or crippled targets. This results in both a missed attack, and placing you out of your intended position with the target in front of you within melee range.

Melee already suffers a bit of a disadvantage in WvW, where walls and towers make non-ranged combat extremely limited. But additionally, IMO, greatsword has two of it’s five attacks that are virtually useless in the high-mobility environment of PvP.

I’m all for the chess match of attack and counter, and GW2 does that amazingly well! But I’d prefer it if those two attacks were not self-sabotaging.

I play a female Asura warrior. So it’s entirely possible my experiences could stem from animations or ‘hit boxes’ of that race being smaller. If someone with more in-deptch knowedge of the inner workings of how range and such works in this regard, I’d greatly appreciate their input.

P.S.: The above is purely my opinion. It is not meant to be taken as fact, and is merely my feelings and perception of the game based on my own personal experience. I welcome discussion and debate. I don’t mind if you disagree, but please back up your statements with at least some intelligent arguments.

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Posted by: Big Boss.6248

Big Boss.6248

I don’t know how you got this vibe but Greatswords are pretty much the meta for warriors in PvP, most people think hundred blades is broken as hell and kills way too quickly for such a short cooldown. The amount of time that it takes for hundred blades to do all it’s damage is not all that long and the range is very misleading and a lot broader than you’d think.

I myself run bolas, but I just like having a fairly spammable root slot skill as I hate having people try to run from me. You are naturally going to want to have some cc on your bar if you’re running GS as it is a pure damage weapon with only a cripple as it’s cc, its going to be useless having all the damage in the game if you can’t hit anyone.

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Posted by: Eliteseraph.4970

Eliteseraph.4970

I don’t know how you got this vibe but Greatswords are pretty much the meta for warriors in PvP, most people think hundred blades is broken as hell and kills way too quickly for such a short cooldown. The amount of time that it takes for hundred blades to do all it’s damage is not all that long and the range is very misleading and a lot broader than you’d think.

Which can be easily countered by hitting the V key once. The people complaining about it being broken and OP are the ones who don’t even know they have an endurance bar, or are too stupid to get out of the way.

I myself run bolas, but I just like having a fairly spammable root slot skill as I hate having people try to run from me. You are naturally going to want to have some cc on your bar if you’re running GS as it is a pure damage weapon with only a cripple as it’s cc, its going to be useless having all the damage in the game if you can’t hit anyone.

Which brings me back to one of my points. Why does an ability have to have another ability just to work effectively 1 out of every 3 times?

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Posted by: Big Boss.6248

Big Boss.6248

Which can be easily countered by hitting the V key once. The people complaining about it being broken and OP are the ones who don’t even know they have an endurance bar, or are too stupid to get out of the way.

Which brings me back to one of my points. Why does an ability have to have another ability just to work effectively 1 out of every 3 times?

Greatsword makes up for it’s lack of CC with its straight up outrageous amounts of damage, no other weapon gets this kind of raw damage output so of course they have some negatives which you use your slot skills to fill.

If you are not able to effectively hit your hundred blades you are not watching your timing and blowing it WAY too early, it should not be your opening skill after your spin to win/rush. Hundred blades will go through all of it’s ticks because it has a passive little “stumble” if the enemy simply tries to walk/run away and if you are watching they can only roll twice if you want to get the full effect of hundreds blades to work.

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Posted by: Sindacairion.2045

Sindacairion.2045

If you want to run with the greatsword i would advise taking frenzy aswell now that hitskittenhard O.o and it shortens the duration of your blades a lot so its easier to get the full hit.

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Posted by: Stalzy.9548

Stalzy.9548

Bull Rush — Frenzy mid rush — Hundred Blades, Swap over to Shield + Axe — Eviserate — Shield Bash = GG

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Posted by: TheMerc.4850

TheMerc.4850

I tried avoiding frenzy for as long as I could, but I caved in and started using it. It really does make the greatsword palpable in the knockdown bullrush gives and it’s downright silly on some glass cannon classes.

You’re right though, people don’t realize how much you need other slot skills to make greatswords work in pvp.

But whirl is pretty amazing too, can hit 4-6 even 7k depending on the build and it lets you evade while doing it. Funny thing is, if you’re slowed and right next to a guy they’ll eat all the whirls, since it slows down or up with movement speed.

I’m sorta disappointed in Rush though, it get’s affected by movement buffs/debuffs as well so if you have a slow it’s only going to be a root break with a tier 2 discipline trait. It does nice damage if it hits but it takes so much time to hit it’s kinda meh aside from just getting you around the battlefield.

Also Bladetrail is pretty awesome, I can hit most glass cannons for 2k, and if you do the range/avoid hitting walls, when it comes back it hits again, doubling the cripple duration and doing another 2k.

It’s a good weapon class overall, hundred blades just needs support to work, but I guess it’s warranted.