Guild Wars 2

What if warriors downed state ability Hammer Toss used ground targeting.

Any thought?

That’d be pretty sweet, though would you still want it to be a projectile that can be intercepted?

I thought this was going to be for the hammer 4 skill, which it should be

would be kind of weird and bad for us in a way. What if we go down by a wall or something? It will make hammer toss useless.

Equivalent exchange I’m afraid, but I personally feel that it is detrimental for all professions to be downed next to a wall (that can’t be teleported through). But the pro’s would out weigh the cons of having a ground targeting knock down. It could be a small Area of Effect and potentially be a single target projectile that could be intervened by targets in front of a desired target.

I’d say, “Sure, just make it a small AoE knockdown that effects all targets in its range!” But that could be a bit much considering its already moderately simple to get into vengeance. Warrior down state isn’t the worse.. But I wouldn’t turn away any improvement to it within reason.

Honestly, I’d almost just prefer a near clone of the Guardian down 2 skill only instead of a push back it knocks everyone around you down like the current Hammer does. Warrior has a really weak down state in terms of team fighting, Thieves can teleport and stealth, Ele’s can Mist form, Guardian as I said has the AoE push, however Warriors and Engis have really easy to avoid single target 2 skills.

I’m also starting to think you should be immune to blind while down because Thieves being able to always get the free stomp and Guardians, Warriors, Rangers, and Engis due to blind is a bit ridiculous. I’m fine with stability because the skills that give it typically have long CD’s but the blind field does not. Same deal with the teleport stomps. Invis stomps wouldn’t be that big of a problem if the skills were AoE and not targeted.

I would agree that Warriors downed states effectiveness drops off immediately when even a single other opponent joins in the fray. Making it appear to be the worse down state, and in terms of “rallying” it is very bad. But Vengance gives you a lot of options to change the tide of battle (Finishing a downed opponent/rallying a downed friend/capping or neutralizing a point/adding more pressure to a target/luring unskilled opponents off points who try to persue you/judging on your build you can even activate all your shouts/drop your banners before you die to aid friends in battle from beyond the grave.)

The worse downed state (in terms of ability to rally/postpone being finished/harass opponents/downed state damage) goes to Engineer, but I digress.

Having an AoE knock down around the Warrior could be a little much since it would -guarantee- Vengance. (If not versus a Guard/Mesmer/Thief who can down anyone with no opposition.) Not to mention I couldn’t imagine what a Warrior could do to cause that while bleeding out on the ground… But it certainly would help to be able to potentially impede several specific opponents if timed properly, and currently that is impossible in downed state.

Perhaps if they changed Hammer Toss into Leg Kick which causes the downed Warrior to knock down all foes in a small forward cone in front of the Warrior with a swift kick to their legs. (I never understood Hammer Toss on a warrior.. First of all, Engineers feel more like a candidate to utilize tools in a frantic battle for life, second of all.. If Warriors can just pull out different weapons… Why can’t warriors throw axes while wielding a Greatsword? Or Bash people with rocks while immobilized.)

The AoE woulds still have to be timed perfectly in order to get the Vengeance and there’s still stability and cheese stomps. I do agree that Engi has an absolutely terrible down state but it can be pretty funny when on a 1v1 and you go down on point sending them flying out of the point and you cap it.