Guild Wars 2

Now ive seen everything. My warrior vs guardian DPS in WvW. Yea im sure he was “Tanky” but either way, why is this being nerfed again? This is terrible DPS compared to what he was doing. Had on PTV armor w/half zerker half PTV trinkets too so I should be “tanky” also and take low DPS like him. Please explain how Earthshaker is OP. Did the testers play on low tier servers that all use full zerker?

So there it is, Guardian Symbols outDPS Earthshaker, even when the guard is (obviously) tanky

Also note: Sigil was bloodlust + guard leech, imagine without those.

How did you manage to do a 697 earthshaker?!? Especially when you did an AA which hit harder.

Sure you didn’t have weakness?

Edit: Looks like your target has protection too. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

JJBigs.8456:

Now ive seen everything. My warrior vs guardian DPS in WvW. Yea im sure he was “Tanky” but either way, why is this being nerfed again? This is terrible DPS compared to what he was doing. Had on PTV armor w/half zerker half PTV trinkets too so I should be “tanky” also and take low DPS like him. Please explain how Earthshaker is OP. Did the testers play on low tier servers that all use full zerker?

So there it is, Guardian Symbols outDPS Earthshaker, even when the guard is (obviously) tanky

Also note: Sigil was bloodlust + guard leech, imagine without those.

You assume testers actually check for balance. All they do is check to make sure the skill works and doesn’t cause bugs. QQ on the forum is what determines if something is OP and needs a nerf.

Hold up a sec. Are you trying to compare an aoe stun to a symbol? Stop comparing apples and oranges. I just do not get your complaint. Are you really comparing Symbol of Wrath’s DPS to Earthshaker? I mean this to this. Are you joking trolling or what?

Maesk.8753:

How did you manage to do a 697 earthshaker?!? Especially when you did an AA which hit harder.

Sure you didn’t have weakness?

Edit: Looks like your target has protection too. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

Not sure actually as I was astonished how low it hit and stopped to screen. Either way, Weakness/Prot will always be part of the game and shouldnt be factored out because classes wont stop using it. So the “high dps” is based on a perfect world only, where a hamwar has fury/high might/no condis and enemy is caught off guard with no defensive boons? If thats the testing scenario, then its obviously unrealistic

TheGuy.3568:

Hold up a sec. Are you trying to compare an aoe stun to a symbol? Stop comparing apples and oranges. I just do not get your complaint. Are you really comparing Symbol of Wrath’s DPS to Earthshaker? I mean this to this. Are you joking trolling or what?

The skills are vastly differnt yes, but the symbol isnt even meant to be a DPS skill or do damage while Earthshaker is actually meant to be a melee hit. The nerf in damage does nothing to adresss the AoE stun.

If anything: You guys are right, theres really no reason to reduce damage, they should of either nerfed the AoE stun or left it alone because Hammer wasnt OP due to earthshaker DPS imo.

The Symbol of Wrath is the only Symbol with a decent amount of damage. Every other Symbol has way lower damage values. So yes, the Symbol of Wrath actually is supposed to deal damage. While Earthshaker is not becaue it is a CC skill. This also is the reason why the damage nerf of Earthshaker isn’t as bad as it appears to be at first glance. As you said yourself: The stun is the important component of this skill. Not the damage.

Regarding the Guardian you can’t assume or be “sure” he was tanky. Him using a GS actually hints at a rather offensive build since other weapons are more suitable for most defensive builds. Besides that people already pointed out that not taking Weakness and Protection into account is probably the wrong way to look at skills. You probably present a worst case scenario for the Warrior while the Guardian is displayed in a best case scenario.

Unfortunately, there isn’t a lot the combat log tells us:

• Did the symbol crit?
• Did Earthshaker crit?
• Did you have Weakness at the time that was removed (assuming you have Cleansing Ire)?
• Did you use Earthshaker with only 1 bar of adrenaline? (The incredibly cynical side of me says that there are people that would purposely lower their damage output as ‘proof’ that it doesn’t need nerfing)

However:

• That Guardian has 17 stacks of might (that’s an extra 595 power) with an unknown food buff, while you have 3 stacks of might a 6 stacks of bloodlust (which is an extra 165 power) with an unknown food and I’m going to assume Sharpening Stone.

Not to mention when you look at that entire exchange you do a total of double the amount of damage that the guardian did sooooo… what are you complaining about again?

- Guardian has protection
- Guardian has 17 stacks of might
- Combat logs do not tell us which attacks were crits
- Weakness might be a factor
- We have no idea what your build is or the Guardian’s, or what foods, sigils, traits

If devs balanced skills according to isolated and exceptional anecdotal evidence this game would probably of shut itself down. At the same time you can’t conclude Earthshaker isn’t OP because you are running mostly a PVT build against a most likely PVT guardian.

They are nerfing Earthshaker quite simply because the fact that can stun 5 people and do a lot of damage at the same time. They don’t want CC skills to stun and very highly damaging. And really? You really just compared Earthshaker to a symbol? the IQ of posters sometimes ....