Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

So, there were some big changes in this patch, the most major being the move of Unsuspecting Foe. For me personally, putting 20 points into Arms isn’t worth it. I used to use Hoelbrak runes for the increased Might duration and reduced condi duration, now I’m all aboard the Lyssa express.

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It’s all come full circle, before the Hammer buffs I used 0/0/30/10/30 and now I’m back to that now. With the high uptime on Fury and the Lyssa runes you’ll have around 35% crit chance on average which is still respectable. To make up for the damage reduction I’m taking Empowered. This will allow for some pretty nice spikes when you activate your elite. It’ll probably still be less DPS than before but honestly that was never the purpose of the build in the first place. Frequently using your Stuns is much more important to me than +50% crit chance. Without Burst Mastery you’ll have much fewer Earthshakers going out which to me is a no-go.

The Combustive Shot change is going to hurt, but it’s still a guaranteed way to cleanse conditions in addition to stacking Might. Don’t underestimate how much Might you can stack by using Arching Shot and Earthshaker in the field. Combo that with the Sigil of Battle (can use Energy) and you’ll still be force to be reckoned with in 1v1 if you play well.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

(edited by BurrTheKing.8571)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: bobomb.5209

bobomb.5209

I dislike this post, not for the build, but because all you really did was move the 10 points that went into Arms into another tree. And of course the Empowered trait usage is fairly underused so props for that, with Lyssa Runes it could be good for burst. I’m sorry still because this is not a revamped hammer build. The only thing you really did was state the nerfs that came about for the warrior on the 10th. Nothing against you, but this post was redundant

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

I dislike this post, not for the build, but because all you really did was move the 10 points that went into Arms into another tree. And of course the Empowered trait usage is fairly underused so props for that, with Lyssa Runes it could be good for burst. I’m sorry still because this is not a revamped hammer build. The only thing you really did was state the nerfs that came about for the warrior on the 10th. Nothing against you, but this post was redundant

I did it because I think many players overestimate how important UF is. I saw several posts saying that the new meta would be 0/20/30/20 which I don’t feel is the best option. I felt that Empowered had much better synergy but I hadn’t heard it mentioned so I put this forward.

Also, 2.0 sounds a lot cooler than 1.5.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Don’t share builds please. I hate that copy-paste noobs running around.

Don’t listen to him: the more these builds are spread, the more I’ll know what Fotmers run and the easier it will be to kill them.XD

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

Don’t share builds please. I hate that copy-paste noobs running around.

Don’t listen to him: the more these builds are spread, the more I’ll know what Fotmers run and the easier it will be to kill them.XD

What if I anticipated this and I’m just spreading bad info just to confuse you!?

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Don’t share builds please. I hate that copy-paste noobs running around.

Don’t listen to him: the more these builds are spread, the more I’ll know what Fotmers run and the easier it will be to kill them.XD

What if I anticipated this and I’m just spreading bad info just to confuse you!?

I’m not so slow to mistake this build from another. I do it only on enemy thieves, because I don’t have the time to play more classes.

And even then, you can realize what a certain setup can and can’t afford.

And also because I was here when Mace/GS build were born, and was here when Hambow spread. Experience makes me think it will likely go this way even now, if the build works.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

(edited by redslion.9675)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Zantmar.5406

Zantmar.5406

why put the points into str for III trait? more health and 100 power + aoe dmg on dodge seems better than 100 vit + 9% dmg boost when lyssa is poped for 5 seconds O.o

imo 100 power is more like a +3-5% constant anyways take what u will

Life blast should hit twice and have its damage halfed
If Rocket Charge is only 2 leaps then it should look like 2 leaps
True Shot should be cast on the move

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Posted by: Eiland.1405

Eiland.1405

Dry Leaves

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

Let me correct that build:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJATSjkOJvNPqQMxBE0DNsK4C1D4YDjjUB0A-ToAg0CnICSFkLITQygsBNEZVA

I tried might stacking once, and can tell you this: might stacking should come with normal combat. If you have to stop what you were doing to stack might, you’ll lose dps.

That’s why I think you should put double battle: you need only one if you swap weapons every 5 seconds. But swapping every 5 seconds is pretty unrealistic, and if you don’t do that, you’ll lose stacks. Double sigil gives you more freedom.

However, the best weapon for might stacking is Greatsword, even if 100 blades doesn’t get anything from might, don’t know why.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Eiland.1405

Eiland.1405

You’ve put the same link, but I got you mean. I actually do switch pretty often , but that +5% dmg is pretty meh anyhow so y not.
I can write all day how to ‘stack’ might on this build but that won’t prove nothing, test it yourself and see how on normal gameplay (not just thinking ‘might stack might stack’) after 1 minute of fighting you find yourself on that ~20 stack, or at least 15.

Dry Leaves

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

You’ve put the same link, but I got you mean. I actually do switch pretty often , but that +5% dmg is pretty meh anyhow so y not.
I can write all day how to ‘stack’ might on this build but that won’t prove nothing, test it yourself and see how on normal gameplay (not just thinking ‘might stack might stack’) after 1 minute of fighting you find yourself on that ~20 stack, or at least 15.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJATSjkOJvxQqQMxBE0DNsK4C1D7YDjjUB0A-ToAg0CnICSljLITOSds6MEZJC

Here, this should be what I meant. Using +60% might duration setup.

I know it works, but I always want to maximize stacks. And the faster you go at full might regime, the better.

And better if you don’t have to rely on Fire field → Arcing arrow combo for it. IMHO they tend to be useful in different situations.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Eiland.1405

Eiland.1405

You are trading:

  • (90+50+25) – (25*3) = 90 power (= 3 might stack )
  • gain 20sec might evevy 5 sec
  • -20% cond reduction ( or +5% dmg if go strength sigil)

for +40% duration?
I’m not convinced.

Hoelbrak is a very solid sigil even without the might stack, so even if I do end up with a bit less might than with your sigils, once those stacks gets ripped/stolen I won’t end up with nothing…

Dry Leaves

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

You are trading:

  • (90+50+25) – (25*3) = 90 power (= 3 might stack )
  • gain 20sec might evevy 5 sec
  • -20% cond reduction ( or +5% dmg if go strength sigil)

for +40% duration?
I’m not convinced.

Hoelbrak is a very solid sigil even without the might stack, so even if I do end up with a bit less might than with your sigils, once those stacks gets ripped/stolen I won’t end up with nothing…

Now you can keep 5 stacks permanently from Signet of Rage.

6 From FgJ.

9 From sigil of battle.

2 from minor 25 in discipline, assuming one swap every 10 seconds

Here, you have 22 perma stacks, built in 30 seconds.

With your build, you have:

-20% condi duration (we have to go back from this condi hate, kitten!XD We have to go back to hard builds.XD)

You have now 6 stacks from FGJ only 60% on time, rest 3.
Might from Signet is not permanent.
Battle only gives you 9 stacks 60% of the time, rest 6.

You never know when you might need to have most stacks, and if that happens when you lose the stacks from SoR and FGJ… you are down 8 stacks, which are 280 power.

Or, at least I’d rather keep high might stacks, even if full Hoelbrak is doable.

Another thing: Might from Hoelbrack is unreliable, because of its low chance.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

Sorry, I feel asleep early today…

So as for the HGH War build, I don’t dislike it but as the same time I feel like the primary role of Hambow is control. That’s why I still use Sigil of Para and Bulls. Damage is still a secondary role of the build. I’m focused on staying in the fight and locking down important targets.

P.S: I changed Dolyak in mine to Balanced because traited it’s 10 seconds of Stability on a 40 second CD. The extra toughness on Dolyak is nice and all but this just seems better.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Phaeton.9582

Phaeton.9582

Someone just has to post the counter build to hambow and the meta would die overnight anyway lol


Phaatonn, London UK

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Eiland.1405

Eiland.1405

For control y run longbow? only for 5?
hammer with sword/mace +shield will give u better results

Dry Leaves

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Posted by: Eiland.1405

Eiland.1405

You are trading:

  • (90+50+25) – (25*3) = 90 power (= 3 might stack )
  • gain 20sec might evevy 5 sec
  • -20% cond reduction ( or +5% dmg if go strength sigil)

for +40% duration?
I’m not convinced.

Hoelbrak is a very solid sigil even without the might stack, so even if I do end up with a bit less might than with your sigils, once those stacks gets ripped/stolen I won’t end up with nothing…

Now you can keep 5 stacks permanently from Signet of Rage.

6 From FgJ.

9 From sigil of battle.

2 from minor 25 in discipline, assuming one swap every 10 seconds

Here, you have 22 perma stacks, built in 30 seconds.

With your build, you have:

-20% condi duration (we have to go back from this condi hate, kitten!XD We have to go back to hard builds.XD)

You have now 6 stacks from FGJ only 60% on time, rest 3.
Might from Signet is not permanent.
Battle only gives you 9 stacks 60% of the time, rest 6.

You never know when you might need to have most stacks, and if that happens when you lose the stacks from SoR and FGJ… you are down 8 stacks, which are 280 power.

Or, at least I’d rather keep high might stacks, even if full Hoelbrak is doable.

Another thing: Might from Hoelbrack is unreliable, because of its low chance.

loved the math, now I’m convinced.
Only question is if between all the fire blast , which are even easier now that combustive shot duration has increased, is +70% an overkill?
meaning we will reach 25 stacks anyhow and could maybe change 1 of the 20% might duration to +100 power(3 hoelbrak + 3 fire sigils) or mayb +10% boon duration (for swiftness stab and fury)?

Dry Leaves

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

For control y run longbow? only for 5?
hammer with sword/mace +shield will give u better results

Combustive shot is a guaranteed cleanse where other bursts can be blocked or blinded. There’s also tons of might stacking to be had with the bow as well. It also allows you to continue to apply pressure while retreating.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: psybako.1903

psybako.1903

I don’t run 0/20/30/20 for UF, I run it for fury on cripple for perma fury. I personally think UF is just laying there dormant most of the time and I’d rather have the more consistent pressure of perma fury. I mostly WvW, though, and don’t use my warrior for roaming.

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: redslion.9675

redslion.9675

loved the math, now I’m convinced.
Only question is if between all the fire blast , which are even easier now that combustive shot duration has increased, is +70% an overkill?
meaning we will reach 25 stacks anyhow and could maybe change 1 of the 20% might duration to +100 power(3 hoelbrak + 3 fire sigils) or mayb +10% boon duration (for swiftness stab and fury)?

Well, this is a matter of personal preference.

Speaking for myself, I’m a really clumsy player, and might mess too many things up if I also have to stop and use arcing arrow on the field. If I don’t need to rely on that combo, I feel better and more free to use arcing arrow and bursts.

You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…

because he doesn’t know it himself

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: wargod son.6173

wargod son.6173

i have one question would this work in pve as well?

The true world revealed / Weaknesses now known to me / Time to go to work. (zero)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

i have one question would this work in pve as well?

I would say Hammer is not at all useful for PvE atm. Too many enemies are immune or highly resistant to your attacks. You’re still better off just being DPS because that’s all the game really supports.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Syde.5961

Syde.5961

I run something really similar atm:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o-FCNKVO0g4gL-60;9;6T9T;41895;057AL-k6-JF0CoF2CoF25Bq
But, I’m thinking about running Superior Rune of Rage soon, due to bursting getting rid of the majority of my conditions and the greater damage increase Rage runes provide.
(Or even Superior Rune of Strength)
Also, I wanna try the Superior Sigil of Doom on my longbow over Superior Sigil of Energy, so I can control bunkers better.
Any thoughts?

Og Salmonder [oT] – Warrior
Stormbluff Isle

(edited by Syde.5961)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

I run something really similar atm:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-ss-o-FCNKVO0g4gL-60;9;6T9T;41895;057AL-k6-JF0CoF2CoF25Bq
But, I’m thinking about running Superior Rune of Rage soon, due to bursting getting rid of the majority of my conditions and the greater damage increase Rage runes provide.
(Or even Superior Rune of Strength)
Also, I wanna try the Superior Sigil of Doom on my longbow over Superior Sigil of Energy, so I can control bunkers better.
Any thoughts?

I would say that Hoelbrak is a strong choice still, I don’t really like Rage or Strength.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

Added alternate version that I’ve been messing around with. Only minor trait changes and a sigil change but it feels fairly different when you play it.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

Hambow 2.0 (Post Dec. 10)

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Posted by: Hyperion.4638

Hyperion.4638

Use berserk amulet, you already got endure pain and berserk stance no need for more defense

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Posted by: BurrTheKing.8571

BurrTheKing.8571

Use berserk amulet, you already got endure pain and berserk stance no need for more defense

I don’t see the use honestly, I find that Soldier’s still significantly increases my ability to stay in the fight compared to Zerker’s. Also, It’s generally not my job to be the big damage dealer, I’d only consider it if your team is lacking on the damage end.

Just an angry old man…

Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)

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Posted by: doc phil.8015

doc phil.8015

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARSjkOFvtQqQMxBE0DNsK4ijCqgJUKsD8A-ToAg0CvIMSZkzIjRSjsGNEZZB

I tried this in pvp and i love it.The only other setup i like since hambow got nerfed is gs and bow,but if you want to try 1on1s you’ll always go bersi
I play wvw most of the time though and pvp just for fun.i’m winning though most of the time with this build

Dzagonur Warrior
Dochil [GDA]

(edited by doc phil.8015)